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  • #61
    Since this forum seems to be about energy, let me attempt to enlighten your readers as to how high voltage pulses led Tesla to the discovery of a free source of power. This information may seem bizarre, but I assure you can research everything I am about to write for yourself.

    People have a misconception about the forces acting upon the surface of the Earth. We know there is a magnetic field, in the North/South direction and we know the Earth rotates physically around an axis in the East/West direction, but we describe the force in the vertical direction Up/Down as gravity. Let me explain why this conception of gravity is a misconception.

    On the Earth, in the vertical direction from the surface of the Earth into Space, exists a High Voltage Electrostatic field. In fact this field is so strong, there is a voltage potential of over 300 Volts between your head and your feet, when your standing on the ground. Between say the ground and the International Space Station, the voltage is over 40 million volts! You can research this by searching, "Atmospheric Electricity", "Hans Alfven", "Schumann" or even the "NASA Tethered Satellite experiment". This is a fact, the electrostatic forces are much greater than the gravitational forces in the vertical direction.

    So everyone always asks, "If there is 300 Volts across my body, why do I not feel a shock or die from a shock?" Well the answer to this ties in with everything I have discussed to this point. The reason you do not get shocked, it there is no current flow to shock you. Air, vacuum etc etc acts like an insulator and effectively limits the current flow. Nevertheless, the electrostatic voltage still exists. We need a tall conducting tower, with a large metal sphere or plate at the top, to accurately measure this voltage( which Tesla seems quite familiar with ).

    So in a nutshell, Tesla's discovery of an ability to transmit power using electrostatic high voltage pulses generated by artificial means, led him to the discovery of this "natural" source of electrostatic high voltage pulses. If you fully grasp the implications of this, you will begin to realize the true genius of Tesla's wireless system. Realize this has nothing to do with alternating electromagnetic field produced by alternating current, like radio, although the apparatus looks similar.

    This is a incredible brief explanation( scratching the surface as it were ) but should allow someone to make the connection and points in the right direction.

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    • #62
      TeslaSecrets

      Thank you for your explanation. I believe also that Earth magnetic field and rotation is done by the same energy inflow and that electrostatic field you mentioned is under continuous oscillation of very high frequency or even in wide range of frequencies due to cosmic rays impact.

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      • #63
        As promised please find attached a description of elihu thomsons coil. It was made by E.S Ritchie. As mentioned earlier it is very obvious that Tesla combined the features of elihu thomsons coil and joseph henry system of which i posted earlier in this thread.

        The very interesting feature of the secondary of the E.S ritchie coil is the well known flat spiral that Tesla used in his patents. In this coil it is constructed of multiple layers and in multi sections
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        • #64
          Originally posted by nat1971a View Post
          As promised please find attached a description of elihu thomsons coil. It was made by E.S Ritchie. As mentioned earlier it is very obvious that Tesla combined the features of elihu thomsons coil and joseph henry system of which i posted earlier in this thread.

          The very interesting feature of the secondary of the E.S ritchie coil is the well known flat spiral that Tesla used in his patents. In this coil it is constructed of multiple layers and in multi sections
          Thank you. That is awesome.

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          • #65
            Some of this is covered in the links posted in this topic, but I thought I should rephrase the explanation.

            Spiral coils are useful in Tesla Coils and especially powerful electrostatic coils for a couple reasons. The main reason is a spiral coil allows us to increase the distance between the primary windings and secondary coil, which helps eliminate unwanted arcing. Secondly, in a spiral coil, the capacitance between windings decreases as we move towards the center of the coil. In a cylindrical helix coil, the capacitance between windings is the same for each winding.

            To rephrase this lets say we have a helical secondary of 100 windings putting out 1000 Volts. Each winding on the coil is at 10 Volts higher potential. Thus each winding in the coil, from bottom to top, is 10 Volts higher than the winding below it. This is because the diameter of the coil is unchanging. Giving us this fixed ratio of voltage between turns.

            In a flat Spiral coil, the diameter and circumfrence of each winding decreases as we move from the outside to the inside of the spiral. Thus the potential difference between each winding still increases as we move towards the center, but the the voltage difference between each winding actually decreases.

            So we get better control over the self-capacitance and inductance of the secondary and reduced chance of arcing between windings.

            Even better than flat spirals, is conical spirals, especially bipolar conical spirals. The conical coil combines the features of a helical coil and a flat spiral coil. There is some interesting information to be discovered concerning conical coils.

            If you really want to see a Tesla coil put out, build a bipolar conical Tesla coil with a magnetically quenched spark gap on the primary.
            Tens of millions of volts is possible with such a device.

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            • #66
              There are a couple other differences between a helical coil and a Spiral Coil I can describe, which are relevant to this discussion.

              The first concerns field density in the two coils. If we calculate the total enclosed volume of a helical coil and a spiral coil, we will find that; for the same total length of wire in both coil, the helical coil will always occupy a much greater total volume than the spiral coil. Thus the resultant fields within a spiral coil, will always be more dense or concentrated, thus more powerful than in a helical coil.

              The second is a bit more difficult to visualize and involves calculating the direction of the Lorentz force in both coils, using the Right Hand Rule.

              The helical windings conduct the electricity in a circular path around the coil. At any point on the surface of the coil, the electric field is pointing in the direction of the winding. This causes a magnetic field along the axis of the helical coil. If the helical coil is mounted vertical, the magnetic field is vertical. The electric field circles within the wires. When we apply the right hand rule, we get the direction of the Lorentz force, outward from the coil, perpendicular to the coil axis, and perpendicular to the path of the electric field direction.

              For the Spiral coil, the direction of the Lorentz force is different and more intense. In the spiral coil, the electric field still follows the wires, in a circular( spiral ) path. However the magnetic field is now orientated in a flat plane. So we have concentrated more magnetic field closer to the the wires, and flattened the arrangement. This cause the magnetic field to be more radial, in the plane of the spiral, then vertical. Thus the resulting Lorentz force becomes the vertical component. If our spiral coil is laid flat, horizontal, the Lorentz force would be in the vertical direction above and below our spiral coil, the magnetic field is radial extending from the center outwards( or opposite ), and the electric field circles in the wires.

              Spiral coils definitely have their uses in the application of these concepts, but they are not of themselves the complete solution. Nor is the magnetically quenched gap the complete solution.

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              • #67
                Although I am versed in physics,a substantial flaw in our very definition of voltage and electric field was pointed out to me. This "hole" in electrical theory is important to understanding how much electrical energy is truly available for our use. Let me in turn point it out to any readers here. This is related to the ideas of voltage pass used in the magnetic gap and why we can possibly get "extra" energy, using the devices described.

                I will reference this page to point out the flaw:

                Electric field - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                Especially, this sentence from the Qualitative description on the above page:

                " The strength or magnitude of the*electric* field at a given point is defined as the force that would be exerted on a positive test charge of 1 coulomb placed at that point"

                If you think about this very carefully, it is a misleading and incorrect use of terminology. What they are describing in this sentence is in actuality not he strength or magnitude of the electric field, but only the intensity of the field at one specific POINT in the total field. This definition, using a point test charge, can say nothing about the total magnitude of the electric field around the charge in question. To calculate the total magnitude of the electric field around a charge, we would need to use an infinite number of small test charges, filling the entire volume of space surrounding the charge. Only then would we have a true measure of the total magnitude of the electric field around the charge in question.

                You will find this error repeated everywhere, always talking about magnitude of an electric field but using a single point charge which is a field intensity. Measuring the water pressure at one point at the bottom of a lake, does not tell you the magnitude of the lakes total water pressure upon the ground.

                Scientists knew charge seemed to defy conservation, but the idea was inconceivable in light of their current understanding of conservation of energy. How could a tiny charge posses the ability to effect infinite other point charges in the space around it? For as we move each point test charge into its position, work must be done, and work would be done on the test charge were it again free to move. This is true no matter how many test charges we use. It seems like one tiny charge can do infinite work!

                So this concept was removed? discarded? edited? from electrical theory, because no one could figure out how to uphold conservation in such a model. Thus current electrodynamics, basically has its own conservation rules, which do not fully encompass the true nature of electrical energy.

                To completely understand electrical energy in our Universe, one needs to see how a small charge, can effect all of space, and yet be in balance in terms of energy. For this is the reality of charge and electrical energy in our Universe, despite what the current theory says. The Prime Mover in our Universe is voltage, not current.

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                • #68
                  After reading all the references on Joseph Henry and Elihu thomson i realised that was why Tesla came up with the zince box in his 1892 lecture

                  See attached picture. Standing waves and Reflections come to mind when i see this. Reflections from the zinc cover. Although not mentioned in the lecture it appears that the secondary coil is a flat spiral. The primaries are 10 turns wound equally and oppositely. (The 10 turns is also the same number of turns that edwin gray used in the floating flux coil)

                  "Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency"
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by TeslaSecrets View Post
                    Although I am versed in physics,a substantial flaw in our very definition of voltage and electric field was pointed out to me. This "hole" in electrical theory is important to understanding how much electrical energy is truly available for our use. Let me in turn point it out to any readers here. This is related to the ideas of voltage pass used in the magnetic gap and why we can possibly get "extra" energy, using the devices described.

                    I will reference this page to point out the flaw:

                    Electric field - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                    Especially, this sentence from the Qualitative description on the above page:

                    " The strength or magnitude of the*electric* field at a given point is defined as the force that would be exerted on a positive test charge of 1 coulomb placed at that point"

                    If you think about this very carefully, it is a misleading and incorrect use of terminology. What they are describing in this sentence is in actuality not he strength or magnitude of the electric field, but only the intensity of the field at one specific POINT in the total field. This definition, using a point test charge, can say nothing about the total magnitude of the electric field around the charge in question. To calculate the total magnitude of the electric field around a charge, we would need to use an infinite number of small test charges, filling the entire volume of space surrounding the charge. Only then would we have a true measure of the total magnitude of the electric field around the charge in question.

                    You will find this error repeated everywhere, always talking about magnitude of an electric field but using a single point charge which is a field intensity. Measuring the water pressure at one point at the bottom of a lake, does not tell you the magnitude of the lakes total water pressure upon the ground.

                    Scientists knew charge seemed to defy conservation, but the idea was inconceivable in light of their current understanding of conservation of energy. How could a tiny charge posses the ability to effect infinite other point charges in the space around it? For as we move each point test charge into its position, work must be done, and work would be done on the test charge were it again free to move. This is true no matter how many test charges we use. It seems like one tiny charge can do infinite work!

                    So this concept was removed? discarded? edited? from electrical theory, because no one could figure out how to uphold conservation in such a model. Thus current electrodynamics, basically has its own conservation rules, which do not fully encompass the true nature of electrical energy.

                    To completely understand electrical energy in our Universe, one needs to see how a small charge, can effect all of space, and yet be in balance in terms of energy. For this is the reality of charge and electrical energy in our Universe, despite what the current theory says. The Prime Mover in our Universe is voltage, not current.
                    The point question is : what is CHARGE ? what is magnetic field ? what is electric field ? I don't see explanations only definitions. !!!!

                    The same for gravity.

                    I realised something lately about compass needle. It moves because it FEELS both of Earth magnetic poles but being closer to one it feels it a bit stronger. The effect may be due to weak magnetic field or due to relatively weak difference of strong poles ! Think about it because this balance seems to be the main law of nature - Newton third law.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by boguslaw View Post

                      I realised something lately about compass needle. It moves because it FEELS both of Earth magnetic poles but being closer to one it feels it a bit stronger. The effect may be due to weak magnetic field or due to relatively weak difference of strong poles ! Think about it because this balance seems to be the main law of nature - Newton third law.
                      But does a compass not work equally well at the equator ?

                      What about the electron spin orbits of atoms+molecules within Earth surface materials becoming N-S aligned (magnetised), and the domain aligned electron spin orbits within the free to rotate magnetic pointer then similarly axially aligning ?

                      To TeslaSecrets.

                      Wikipedia is no better a reference than are the "experts" who CONTROL it !
                      Thanks for pointing out that sleight of mind.

                      To imagineer freely one needs to forget the "science" we have been taught at school-college-university and work from long understood fundamental principles alone.
                      Also steer clear of "experts" if you come up with new findings, lest there are "expert" attempts to undermine your novel work via cost to your own reputation or life situation, for there are always those dark actors behind the scenes who think it is they who have the right to make you behave-think the way they autocratically determine, and these days especially, internet/mobile based routes via which they now monitor, or attempt to coerce (suggestions or threats), and then ply their trickeries via many indirect routes.
                      Last edited by GSM; 08-04-2012, 08:00 AM.

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                      • #71
                        Very interesting theory...
                        I have a question for "TeslaSecrets" member. I'am not so versed in physics so i asking you, is it possible that flow of water through a spiral pipe may cause an electrical or magnetic field around that coil!??
                        Probably you have read "WARDENCLYFFE TUNNELS INVESTIGATION" here is a link for that if you didn't
                        Wardenclyffe Tunnels Investigation
                        Here is describe how did Wardenclyffe tower looks like. Is is possible that Tesla was using water under big preasure to pump water through pipes to the circle in the bottom of the tower? One pipe to pump water, the another one to take back water into boiler to his laboratory? If you look to the picture you'll see a giant ring under ground which can be a primary coil and also one giant radio antenna. So my question is, is it possible that directed movement of water molecules through the pipe may cause strong magnetic field? You know also that under Pyramids you also have a water and tunnels...

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Ogood View Post
                          Very interesting theory...
                          I have a question for "TeslaSecrets" member. I'am not so versed in physics so i asking you, is it possible that flow of water through a spiral pipe may cause an electrical or magnetic field around that coil!??
                          Probably you have read "WARDENCLYFFE TUNNELS INVESTIGATION" here is a link for that if you didn't
                          Wardenclyffe Tunnels Investigation
                          Here is describe how did Wardenclyffe tower looks like. Is is possible that Tesla was using water under big preasure to pump water through pipes to the circle in the bottom of the tower? One pipe to pump water, the another one to take back water into boiler to his laboratory? If you look to the picture you'll see a giant ring under ground which can be a primary coil and also one giant radio antenna. So my question is, is it possible that directed movement of water molecules through the pipe may cause strong magnetic field? You know also that under Pyramids you also have a water and tunnels...
                          Oh yes! Probably need water with salt but ordinary should work also. What is missing is huge electrostatic field to charge water then it will flow like huge current I believe.

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                          • #73
                            Thanks for the question. Your question requires an understanding of "ground" in the context of electrically grounding a transmitter. Consider these two papers:

                            http://www.dxing.com/tnotes/tnote02.pd
                            WHY RADIALS? « Ross-Radio Ground Radial Lawn Staple Anchor Pins

                            All high power Am broadcasting stations require a substantial Earth ground. This large ground serves many purposes. It connects the circuit efficiently to the Earth, it extends the length of the antenna and it increases the size of the resulting electromagnetic field of the antenna/ground system. In some AM broadcast systems the ground radials or grounding grid is even placed some distance from the antenna tower itself. The antenna in an AM radio in your home or car, actually works on slightly different principles then the broadcast antenna itself, otherwise you would need a 100ft tower on your home or car to listen to the radio.

                            If the ground is poor, the electric fields lines have difficulty completing the circuit from the antenna to the Earth. When the ground is good the electric field can enter the Earth at much greater distances from the antenna itself, spreading out the field into a greater volume.

                            The tunnels under Wardenclyff are very likely real and were important to the operation of Tesla's wireless system. Equally if not more important than the above ground tower. The well would have had water pumped into it to fill the bottom radial tunnels when in operation. This ground well was also very close to the existing water table beneath Wardenclyff, which thus connects it even further to the Earth. The conductivity of the water is actually quite good, because it has dissolved minerals, salts and such in it from the rock and Earth. To be honest, I am not sure about the smaller dry tunnels extending out to the surface though, likely still part of the circuit( a resistive return to ground ).

                            In really dry earth, to get a good electrical ground, it is necessary to improve the conductivity of the Earth, with water, which is absolutely relevant to the Egypt case. This is just a hunch, but likely the bottom chamber of the pyramid seems unfinished and rough, because it was dug underwater. The water table is known to have been much higher in those days.

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                            • #74
                              Lots of good bits here. I have a question to the Tesla gurus.

                              The electron avalanche that Tesla is said to have mastered. Are there surviving experiments of this concept ?

                              http://www.stealthskater.com/Documen...ticBell_04.pdf


                              Thanks,
                              HS

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                              • #75
                                Thanks for your answers.
                                I also think that underground part is of same importance like one on the surface.
                                Lot of time I was thinking about "crown" on the top of the tower. The antenna from underground isn't connected to the crown at all! So from my point of view i think that crown is one huge capacitor, which is charging with electricity from radiant energy on the top and on the another side it is discharging and send impulses out of space from antenna. Sorry if I writing incomprehensible, my english is not so perfect. But you will better understand me if you compare that tower with the simplest radio transmitter. I believe that Tesla was tuning frequency by regulating pressure in the pipes.
                                But that is only my opinion, maybe i am wrong...
                                I have another question for everybody here. I am planing to build "Kapanadze" generator soon. I have redesign schematic a little bit, but i have problem to buy ferrite core. Problem is that nobody is sell that core in Belgrade So the question is: Can I use magnet rings instead???
                                Few months ago i was testing mu electric gun and i have noticed that sparks between electrode is much stronger when i put magnet in heir nearless. It seems that magnet increases output power somehow. The spark is thicker and by the sound you can hear that pulsing/frequency is increasing also.
                                So what is your opinion, to wound wire around magnet core instead ferrite?

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