How can you make a Magnetic Gas?

[Cherryman]

Hi MadHatter,

Tnx for your repley.
Most of the things you talk about go a little over my head, although I (believe) understand the direction you wanna express.

I did back then some experiments, so it is not totally new for me. But I'm just a hands on guy who likes to play (with fire) ;-)

I did some experiments with HHO producing and detonation in the same chamber, a little like the plug above, but a larger version.

Here is one of the vids, more on my channel. So I guess i did some "reverse" engineering already. On this one I just shoot away a plastic cap.
I even filled a balloon with explosions, using valves to direct the explosion and implosion different ways. ;-)

HHO 12 - YouTube

World first HHO explosion filled balloon - YouTube

Just some fun ;-)

Anyway, project is on hold at the moment, as i'm busy making a simple! Stirling engine design witch i think will be way more efficient than the usual ones, also got some Nitinol in the mail order... So too little time, too many interesting stuff.

Good luck with your project, and please share if you can vids or pics.. always interesting!

[madhatter]

That's a nice and easy setup!

Great info Duncan.

He talks about using around 32V
Anyone know how many amps it takes aprox?

I like to make a small scale version to play with.

I designed something similar a few years back, but never built it. It's on the forum here somewhere, here is a pic:

Here is my little "Sparp plug" version :

Water under slight pressure comes in Glas tube trough one way valve
As the water level touches both the electrodes, the gas vorming starts.
An Underwater spark is formed between the two carbon balls
Gas forms and is pressed out of the tiny opening at the plug head
As all the water has turned to gas, the the Tungsten Spark head will become the lowest resistance and sparks the gas.
This way only one continues voltage needs to be applied. ( In my theory/fantasy at least ;-)



Around it I have an energizer only connected to one terminal, The pos or the neg, may change i will see, but the energizer coil will only be connected to one terminal.

I never made it, but it starts to itch again..

C'man

it's a simple concept and in theory would be fairly easy to do, however as with all things the devil is in the details. I'll share some findings from my research into pretty much the same thing.

I was doing some of the calcs I came to conclude that gas flow electrification would be a problem.. surface charge on the droplet formation would in effect stop the process.

start with a high pressure gas, passing thru an orifice into secondary low pressure volume that contains a charged plate. as the gas passes thru, there will be an electrostatic charge picked up on the surface. electrical conductivity will determine the ability to be charged or neutral, and that upon atomization combined with the joule Thompson effect, the condensate droplets will carry a charge hetro/uni-polar on the surface. now if the gas does not form droplets and there is no surface area the charge may be determined or calculated simply from the molecule and it's bond, if there is a no droplet formed then the electrostatic effect would be greater in low density gas. the point of all this was a thought of using electrostatic charge combined with the thermal energy of excited gas to increase the efficiency of electrolysis.

an arc discharge thru water would difficult to contain, simplify the process and start with say the gas in a pressurized container and work out the end result desired, then work backwards toward starting from in this case for example the water.

electrolysis of water is step one, lots of ways to achieve that. step two is where one utilizes the gas in an accelerator, i.e. electron cascade, multipactor effect. oxygen is magnetic hydrogen is not, ionized hydrogen is a proton, a proton in a particle accelerator can be a dangerous p-beam. yes the voltages needed would put you on a 'list' stupid fast.

this is all based on linear process and thinking of external source voltage, that doesn't need to be the case, it's possible in theory to take the components and assy it into a self-powered system.

I suggest everyone who's interested in such stuff really do the homework on Farnsworth and electrostatic optics. read and re-read thru farnsworths mutlipactor patent, it's full of gems. I'm currently working on developing quaternions to work with electrons and magnetics. Eric mentioned that the Farnsworths son said his father said the key to unlocking the mystery was in hyperbolic functions and the electron as it relates to counter-space. It's taken me over a year to figure out how to even proceed with that.

counter-space algebra is odd enough, add in hyperbolic geometry and polar and Cartesian coordinates suffer in that vectors and versors with fields get all jumbled. quaternions avoid this 'gimbal lock', however the trick is in units and terms.

it's slow going for sure and frustrating as I'd rather be building and experimenting but without and idea of how to proceed it'd be a fools errand. I've dug up many who've tried and are still working on marrying quaternions to physics but there is in my mind a problem when they start with constants that were assumed or derived using false premise, the fault carries forward. starting from scratch is a massive undertaking.

[daemonbart]

Tell me the name!

Hi Geronimo551 thanks for taking the time to watch and digest my offerings, magnetic and electromagnetic separation always a fascinating subject !! particularly when applied to fuel here is a simple demonstration of Ruggero Santilli's operation which I have uploaded even in this simple form it claims to be between 3 and 5 >COP over Faraday
VTS_03_1.flv - YouTube
of course such a method is kept away from the public arena, tptb certainly have no intention of killing the cash cow! Of course the units are extensively used by “The authorities” one of the 100 KW units is supplying power to a Swedish airport, Two machines I know of are operational in Greece
many of the machines are in use by various US municipality as Santilli explains himself here
Alternative fuel Magnegas - YouTube
… Oh and right now this technology is not available to the domestic consumer do you really think it ever will be ??
A little of the suppression murder and history of this particular technique spin the clock back 160 odd years and this patent was issued first in GB and then in the US
Patent US603058 - ELECTRICAL RETORT - Google Patents
which of course is basically the same machine which had about as much chance of getting out of the cage and into the public arena where it can do some good as Santilli's clone. 170 years later
Santilli said “I have found a way of putting atoms together that is not molecular” he refers to it as a”Magnecule”

http://www.i-b-r.org/docs/ijhe2002.pdf

During the height of the apartheid years when the weapon of trade embargo’s was being applied in order to try and coerce the South African government the only one which actually seemed to cause any slight consternation to that self sufficient country was the fuel embargo , however South Africa blessed with huge coal reserves built massive cracking and refining plants...S.A.S.O.L
meanwhile a South African called Francois Cornish developed this machine as an alternative automotive fuel producer... obviously the same pinciple as the above
Cornish Hydrogen Generator - KeelyNet 01/10/02
François was Tempted to the US as “certain parties” were interested in developing and producing his machine, François joins the extremely long and ever growing list of “disappeared” free energy researchers

Let me know and I will track it down for the benefit of mankind!

Thanks D

[Geronimo551]

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[Geronimo551]

Duncan, Good Sir. There is no THREAT from private sector or government. The efforts of MagneGas Corporation are beautiful. They are inspiration. Thank you for that edifying link.

re:

"For instance Puharich, Mayer,John Kansus Dr Stiffer and M J Nunnerley were all either Radio Hams or skilled in UHF transmission and heterodyne at those frequencies, And also manage to hold the frequencies stable If UHF radio theory is not your zone its obviously not for you and anyway as you live in the “land of the free” you would undoubtedly be publicly executed for re- building this system."


It is self-evident many individuals could benefit from a 6th Grade Elementery School Level Comic Book-style Manual-- myself included. US Army Manuals are written in this fashion, allowing almost anyone to assemble, use, and operate complex equipment. I seek instructions of that type enabling device construction able to liberate anyone from infrastructure power grids, gas stations, and attendant fiat inflation-taxation without representation. We're ready-- we just need help.

Such devices will have value. We already have a customer base among private sector interested in purchasing such equipment should they choose not to build themselves. Name a reasonable honor-system donation for any design work and God willing I'll ensure the donation is sent to those involved. I do not expect such an effort to make any change greater than :

https://sites.google.com/site/ozoneprotocol/

and that is OK. I seek only to accomplish the mission.

[Geronimo551]

I got some good email news. I am away from Internet for many days at a time when sometimes infiltrating a drug distribution & ***** strongpoint for the purpose of helping interdict child mass-murder, human flesh trafficking, and human experimentation associated with Pro Choice Stem Cell harvesting & CO2 = P x S x E x C human genocide agendas. I'm just one average man doing what is easily at-hand AND I do NOT want to MISUSE this volunteer asset below. How may we BEST accomplish the mission with this additional help ?

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May 13 (3 days ago)

to me, Derek

SAR RTO , thanks for contacting us, Dr Derek from [email protected] will be able to
advise for this project.

Regards
Ash (trustee)

[Geronimo551]

These posts are great. I am anxious to build, however seek confirmation of success prior to construction. No research will change the US market place or C.O.T.S. H.F.C. dearth, but it may well enhance the survivability and prosperity of individuals who develop hydrogen fuel cell technology.

Domestic enemy US traitors have a self evident agenda:

"In total, all states (US) are expected to be about $140 billion short of revenue to cover costs, with five states, California, Texas, New Jersey, New York, and Texas accounting for about half of the $140 billion. Every U.S. household would have to be assessed an additional $1,200 in taxes just to cover the shortfall."

Thank you for helping us understand Water as Fuel.

[Duncan]

Totally agree farmhand! Until the theory and science behind what is being observed is resolved it remains another example of the phenomenal variations and quirks that our planet and universe lays before us, However there are some great lateral thinkers on this forum, one of them may watch that short video and be able to offer an coherent explanation, regardless it seems very much on topic and certainly interesting!and who knows it may be part of the jig saw leading to abundant easily obtained free energy, I havent attempted to reproduce the experiment and s can't add anything else.
best wishes Duncan

PS Farmhand as this spiral effect caught your attention I decided to check the guys video channel to see if there were any advances. I discovered this as a proposed “next generation” I post without comment MAGNETIC VORTEX SPIN built by Magnetflipper Sept 2011 (Uploading due to his Channel being taken off) - YouTube

[Farmhand]

This clip also seems to demonstrate some effects I would not have expected to see

magnetic vortex on Vimeo

It does at first glance seem that there are quite large lumps of magnetic theory missing from standard teaching , It would for instance be nice to have this very important theory validated and tested in some way.

Hi Duncan,

Yes validation is important. The guy in this video says his experiment is
validation of the existence magnetic particles, I don't see how it does.

The experiment in the video to me just shows that when the gas bubbles are
formed by electrolysis they don't like to rise straight up, so what I see is they
(just like smoke particles) prefer to rise in a spiral. Just the same way water
prefers to spiral down a drain pipe.

I think the initial direction of the spiraling of the rising gas bubbles may well be
affected by the magnetic field of the magnet, but could also be influenced by
a slight rotational current in the water simply by a very slight swishing around
of the water in the other direction by hand when the magnet is flipped.

Even if it did spiral the opposite way by itself it is no big deal, it's just the
same as a water down the sink vortex or a smoke plume vortex, truth be
known if a strong enough magnetic field with the correct polarity was placed
at the drain hole of a sink when some water was drained out the rotation
might well be affected as well. Things tend to have a propensity toward
stability and a vortex is stable structure. It's a natural thing that can be seen
all over the planet with lots of different things.

Cheers

[Duncan]

so try one!

It really isn't a case of “what do I have” … even if I produced a working unit on video the vast majority of readers would not believe it .. they would quite rightly be sceptical and then very hostile that is all as it is designed to be! It is how we have been conditioned
Certainly when you mix water and electricity things can be witnessed which if nothing else certainly blast the Faraday limits out of the water. (excuse the pun )
Here is a a short video I shot with a couple of spoons (and a camera) a while back obviously very dangerous and only to be attempted by the suicidal
bubble.wmv - YouTube
as you can see the current draw is far for linear
It really isn't a case of what do I have, I personally can be be very quickly silenced, Its rather a case of what can you build that will very quickly convince you that COP > 1 is very real (not that I really care if you are convinced or not do any of the simple experiments in order to see yourself) , however much more important is how to make it cheaply safely useful and easily constructable for the general public, Forums such as this ultimately is not the way.
I say that because despite many folks being quite open it hasn't worked on a huge scale ….yet
as you point out whatever I (or anybody else for that matter) posts you would have to duplicate and prove yourself, Which system and at what voltage and at what frequency and with what control, is entirely dependant on your skills and building ability and what sort of workshop and machinery you have available.
For instance Puharich, Mayer,John Kansus Dr Stiffer and M J Nunnerley were all either Radio Hams or skilled in UHF transmission and heterodyne at those frequencies, And also manage to hold the frequencies stable If UHF radio theory is not your zone its obviously not for you and anyway as you live in the “land of the free” you would undoubtedly be publicly executed for re- building this system
Opie & Anthony: Stan Meyer's Water Car - YouTube
However Bob Boyce does it at a much lower frequency but of course not nearly as efficiently I’ve converted and uploaded a DVD of his here
Bob Boyce - YouTube
All of these systems demonstrate C.O.P >1 which certainly doesn’t mean they are easy or safe for “Joe public”to build. The thread is “magnetic separation “ and I have done my best to inject links and video's in that area, I certainly don't have anything that’s easy to understand and constructs which convert on a large scale to offer you .. (apart from the very simple experiments and video's I have already posted) If I had reached that happy stage it would be driving your house right now because you would have already built one! However with the “eye of an inventor” you may see a way to convert and adapt a common everyday object into service in any one of the applications. In short far from “smoke on the water” you must study learn and the like every Inventor and experimenter build yourself and go your own way.
Fleetwood Mac-Go Your Own Way - YouTube
I look forward to seeing your video's and constructions , If you don’t construct and experiment far from “smoke on the water” you'll just be another noisy trollie “Sitting Duck” on the water!
Lemon Jelly - Nice Weather for Ducks (Lost Horizons) - YouTube
Best wishes Duncan

[Geronimo551]

Magnetic separation of fluids and gas …. whilst I don't pretend to be anything approaching a chemist the magnetic separation of material I find fascinating, I have converted and downloaded a short D.V.D in which you will hear Herman talk of separating gas from the “magnetic storm” make of this what you will ! I would certainly like to know just what he used to “see the magnetics”
Untitled on Vimeo

This clip also seems to demonstrate some effects I would not have expected to see

magnetic vortex on Vimeo

It does at first glance seem that there are quite large lumps of magnetic theory missing from standard teaching , It would for instance be nice to have this very important theory validated and tested in some way.
LeeskalninPhysics2.wmv - YouTube

It was mentioned by John B that in the Cejaka files he had noted water being split by magnetic action alone Indeed here is a short taster clip I have cut out of the film for your inspection in which he roughly explains the principle

magnet water split.wmv - YouTube

although the work was classified as suppressed and the original link I was going to post seems to have been “got at “ (although I still have the information) the gist of what JB was talking about can be seen here

Felix Ehrenhaft: Magnetic Current --- 9 articles

certainly some food for thought … I just wish I was a little wiser and could fit the pieces together!

This post is Rock and Roll. Please articulate exactly WHAT you would BUILD. WHY ? HOW ?

Smoke on the water - YouTube

US. "Some stupid with a flag on burned the place to the ground." NYC 911/Twin Towers/Pentagon.

We have everything save a functional device. Smoke on the water and fire in the sky.

What do you have ?

[Geronimo551]

Good Sirs and possibly Ladies, how is it possible to hi-jack this thread when we all seek answers ?

What would you build ?

How come ?

How ?

re:

So I might try this for my little generator..

Any suggestions welcome, although maybe not here, do not wanna hijack a thread.

PS. Plasmagun.. When you think of it.. Put a barrel around it, a bullet in front.. ;-)

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[Geronimo551]

I have attempted repeated typo correction of above post without effect. I'm done attempting correction. Non-Mission essential. typos do NOT detract from intent. Real-time commo is always 'broken and garbled', hence:

"The essence of duty is acting in the absence of orders or direction from others, based on an inner sense of what is morally and professionally right...."

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[Geronimo551]

Good Sirs and possibly Ladies, thank you all for existing and continuing in-put, experience, and especially After Action Reports of functional & efficacious designs suitable for lay workshop and unit field expedient use. This is not a DEEP project-- we are a two man OVERT unit seeking to network Ad Hoc with Online Think Tanks and put this issue to rest once and for all. It may well be that such technology is above the capability of average US citizen sovereigns of We the People, however it may also be possible for sovereigns of We the People to liberate themselves from voluntary and treasonous involuntary servitude as regards technology and energy generation. In the instances of well documented treasonous involuntary servitude (such as the 1963 Chrysler turbine car destroyed through loan requirements by domestic enemies in local, state, and federal US governments), this project lawfully by-passes restraining forces and entrenched bureaucracy through Birthright unalienable sovereignty. Such actions support, uphold, and defend the US constitution. I know, you experts need no pep talk or ‘singing to the choir’—we don’t either.

I have much study to do. I plan to avoid re-inventing the wheel and 'Rube Goldberg' mistakes.

Elohim or even Vimana/Baal-bec/Machu Pichuu-type Area of Operations nephilim or possible ET alien technology issues have been raised. To ignore the impact of GMO Botanical and GMO humanoid MIB DARPA, reported humanoid clone kill Groom Lake Areas 51/52/53, and foreign nation covert op & D.U.M.B.S. weaponizations would be as dangerous as deploying Armor without infantry and air support. This project seeks functional technology without respect to origin and battle capture from the enemy is acceptable—even obsolete Thule/Brandenburger/Vril/VT-SS/SS/L-SS/S-SS/USAAC 415 NFS/Watson’s Whizzers/Operation Paperclip is sought, however NO/NONE/ZERO radioactive or persistent NBC power sources can be used.

This project will not get bogged-down by tangental Nazi/Neo-Nazi/NASA/MIB/DARPA operations. I have personally worked for NASA within the past five years. My efforts were confined to simple NASA top-side Bunker Building at an apparent UAV/UCAV/UCAS facility. There will be beaucoup time to hunt for ET later and a successful project will draw US traitors and ET/nephilim like a Cheese Cake Babe Magnet at a stag Party, God willing.

It is our hope that cosmic ionizing and EMF solar wind radiation planet-fall from our system's visible star Sol and stored energy within earth EMF and gravity fields may be harnessed efficiently.

I'm just one AVERAGE former Tank Commander, Assistant Armor Instructor, and fed BN photographer, hence any direct Ad Hoc Think Tank assistance that brings this project to fruition will help us all, God willing. Researchers are always their own worst enemy. Rise above secrecy and paranoia. I’ve gone head to head with MIB before and they do not hold a candle to elite Warsaw Pact East Berlin 1976 on the east side of Check Point Charlie. Most inventers stifle themselves with imaginary fears and delusion of grandeur. IMHO, more kill themselves making simple driving mistakes in response to imaginary fears than are hunted by MIB/DARPA/SS. Whatever is accomplished-- has already been done by US military as there is nothing new under the sun. We want this for everyone. You have given me a lot of homework. Thank you. Godspeed.

Barukh atah Adonai, Eloheinu, melekh ha-olam

[Cherryman]

Is this a plasma gun? or some sort of alien tech?

No no no...

Just my version of a water filled plasma spark plug. There was a thread a few years back and some guy tried to explain his vision on Stanley Meyer, with his views and my views combined I designed this little plug.
Nothing special, its almost the same as in Duncans's clip, only a different housing.

I did think it was to difficult to get a good spark in the water, but after seeing the you-tube from Duncan.. It seems 32V and some amps ?? is all it takes.. no circuit whatsoever..

So I might try this for my little generator..

Any suggestions welcome, although maybe not here, do not wanna hijack a thread.

PS. Plasmagun.. When you think of it.. Put a barrel around it, a bullet in front.. ;-)