Atomic Hydrogen as a Fuel

[LeanMixture]

heavy water electrolysis

Anybody knows if the electrolysis of heavy water will produce more hydrogen than using the same amount of light water using the same amount of electricity and the same conditions.???

[james west]

@ microvolt
quite alot to get through, thx

@ leanmixture

for the same amount of electrical input you will get the same production of D2 gas. It is twice as dense with 1 proton & 1 neutron. I am interested to how you are planning to create fusion to be able to produce D2.

[LeanMixture]

As per William Lyne atomic hydrogen generates more energy when it recombines than what was needed to dissociate it so I was thinking if we one could build a conventional water electrolysis cell then take a part of the hydrogen generated and dissociate it and inject atomic hydrogen into the water to boost the hydrogen production. I don’t know if that would work but if it does it would be great.

[Savvypro]

I thought I'd add my last post that I made in the "Atomic hydrogen furnace with COP of 21" thread. As it's relevant here, even if the use for atomic hydrogen isn't furnace related.

I'd like to make this a reference post, so can others check my calculations, the basis of my calculations, and my reasoning/conclusions.

Start of: Basis of my calculations:

From en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie :

One gram calorie is approximately:

4.184 J (joules)
0.003964 BTU (British thermal units)
1.163x10(to power of)−6 kW·h (kilowatt hours)
2.611×10(to power of)19 eV (electron volts)

1 mole is about 12g - based on the weight of a mole gram of Carbon. Hydrogen is 1/12 the mass of Carbon: 1 gram. Based on the following: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mole_(unit)

The following is from sciencegeek.net/Chemistry/taters/Unit5MolarVolume.htm :

Standard Molar Volume is the volume occupied by one mole of any gas at STP. Remember that "STP" is Standard Temperature and Pressure. Standard temperature is 0 ° C or 273 K. Standard pressure is 1 atmosphere or 760 mm Hg (also called "torr").

1 mole of any gas at STP occupies 22.4 liters of volume. Using this information, the volume occupied by any number of moles (or grams) can be determined. Conversely, the number of moles present in any volume of gas at STP can also be determined, and if the identity of the gas is known, this number of moles can be converted to a mass.

Standard molar volume is also useful for Density determinations at STP.
density at STP = mass of one mole / 22.4 liters

If the molar mass can be determined, from the chemical formula, for instance, then the density can be calculated. If the density is known, then the molar mass can be determined.

End of: Basis of my calculations...


Combining 2h to h2 gives off 109,000 cal/gram (this is one of the lowest figures for the atomic hydrogen reaction - see post 43 where I give the other figures I found).

1 gram calorie as stated above = 4.184 J

Therefore the resulting energy that is given off is: 456,056 Joules, 432.08 BTU's or 0.127 kW·h (109,000 x 0.000001163) per gram of hydrogen.

To generate 10kW·h (enough to run the average home with everything on), one would need about 78 grams.

1 gram at STP takes up 22.7 litres, 78 gram would take up 1,770.6 litres. A comparison would be about two IBC containers, each one being about 1m x 1m x 1m holding 1,000L.

The other option is splitting and recombining 1 gram of hydrogen 78 times. Or more times if the amount of hydrogen and volume is reduced.

For larger amounts of energy, the amount of times the hydrogen has to be split and recombined could get ridiculous - if you stay at 1 gram. For example: 1MWh would require 1 gram of hydrogen to be split and recombined: 7,874,015.75 times. However if you increase the amount of hydrogen to say 100 grams - it falls to about: 78,740.16 times.


If you want to keep things simple:

More power = bigger reaction chambers (unless you start to pressurise the hydrogen gas).
Bigger reaction chambers = less splitting and recombining of the hydrogen to get the same amount of output.

[mikrovolt]

Regarding the degree or level of radiation. It is not clear what is the safety
guidelines for the many varieties of hydrogen technologies.
And which of those technologies would require security measures.

As you can see on the news with the recent Japan nuclear disaster
While clearly on the opposite side of the earth there has been panic
behavior ; runs on potassium iodide tablets and other bazaar disaster frenzies.
These are some of subconscious reactions by entrainment from internet and TV.

I believe some effort in understanding some of this background radiation
terminology and data that health and safety gives would help define what
is considered safe levels.

When we get a medical xray our health officials refer to millirems per year average statistical data.
or
Radiation dosage is measured in millisieverts (Sv)

and then there are also Soft Xrays

As part of education of hydrogen technologies public understanding and safety by public forum.
I believe safe hydrogen has little or no radiation but are confounded by the "atomic" misunderstanding.

It would be helpful to have an informative utube aimed specifically on distinguishing
safe hydrogen and how we can be reasonably certain it is safe.

In order to help current and future safe hydrogen experimenter become successful faster.
A good utube may be helpful on the subject.

[superluminal]

in this video i am using hydrogen and oxygen derived from water to cut through aluminum, steel and other materials. the oxyhydrogen flame possesses many interesting characteristics.

please watch:
YouTube - ‪Water Fuel Oxyhydrogen Gas Torch‬‏

many have stated that the flame is electrical in nature - i will try to test for and measure this electrical voltage potential of the flame today

best,
alex

--
alex petty
email: [email protected]
skype: alex.petty
mobile: +001.540.272.7970

[vrand]

Very interesting lost technology, here are some videos from 1943 that just came out recently on the G.E. Atomic Hydrogen Arc Welder unit used back in the 1940's
Cheers


The Inside of Atomic Hydrogen Arc Welding, Part 1 - 1943

The Inside of Atomic Hydrogen Arc Welding, Part 1 - 1943 - YouTube


The Inside of Atomic Hydrogen Arc Welding, Part 2 - 1943

The Inside of Atomic Hydrogen Arc Welding, Part 2 - 1943 - YouTube

Published on Oct 16, 2012

Instructional film on atomic hydrogen arc welding, a method of precision welding especially useful for light materials. Two tungsten electrodes, hydrogen gas flame surrounds arc. Arc changes hydrogen to atomic form, heat generated when atoms recombine. Includes John McGee, the cartoon character from other instructional films.

[vrand]

Miller also made a AHW unit, Model #100HVAP, and the owners manual with circuit diagram can be downloaded from their website:

Miller - Owners Manuals

There was a discussion on this unit, and the G.E. AHW unit, that was discontinued back in the late 1970's:

Atomic Hydrogen

These AHW units operated with at least 300 VAC to create the AC arc that is used to break H2 gas to atomic hydrogen plasma gas (3400 to 4000 °C temperatures).

"Without the arc, an oxyhydrogen torch can only reach 2800 °C. This is the third hottest flame after cyanogen at 4525 °C and dicyanoacetylene at 4987 °C. An acetylene torch merely reaches 3300 °C. This device may be called an atomic hydrogen torch, nascent hydrogen torch or Langmuir torch. The process was also known as arc-atom welding."

Atomic hydrogen welding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


To weld thin metal the video said 35 amps was needed and that there was a chart for welders to look up the amp setting and tungsten gap settings for the particular weld job.

Now is there was a way to create the arc at lower voltage, then maybe we can convert current TIG or AC plasma unit to an AHW Unit?
Cheers

[stevie1001]

Atomic hydrogen in an internal comb.engine

Nice info, thanks.

May i conclude that if we use H2 as a fuel, use that in an engine, use an ac spark, which reverses polarity, we can have an engine running on atomic hydrogen?
Adding some waterdrops, because of the enormous heat, we get some extra power?


Steve

[prato_braun]

Zero-Point is present

Hi guys,

unfortunately I have no background in physics but I found the following interesting statements on wikipedia when i looked for monoatomic hydrogen and the lamb shift:

'There are always vacuum fluctuations of the electromagnetic field, according to quantum mechanics. Due to such fluctuations degeneracy between states of the same j but different l is lifted, giving them slightly different energies. This has been demonstrated in the famous Lamb-Retherford experiment and was the starting point for the development of the theory of Quantum electrodynamics (which is able to deal with these vacuum fluctuations and employs the famous Feynman diagrams for approximations using perturbation theory). This effect is now called Lamb shift.'

'In 1947 Willis Lamb and Robert Retherford carried out an experiment using microwave techniques to stimulate radio-frequency transitions between ^2S_{1/2} and ^2P_{1/2} levels of hydrogen.[3] By using lower frequencies than for optical transitions the Doppler broadening could be neglected (Doppler broadening is proportional to the frequency). The energy difference Lamb and Retherford found was a rise of about 1000 MHz of the ^2S_{1/2} level above the ^2P_{1/2} level.'

Moray King mentioned that quite often but it's nice to read it in the mainstream, too. Keep it coming guys this thread is interesting.
btw Defkalion is also mentioning monoatomic hydrogen in this article: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5905445/Ener...121102_ENG.pdf

Cheers,

Prato

[Lightworker1]

From William Lyne's book "Occult Ether Physics"

1) From Van Nostrand's Encyclopedia of Science “Hydrogen molecules dissociate to atoms endothermically at high temperatures (heat of dissociation about 103 cal/gram mole) in an electric arc, or by irradiation.” “...the hydrogen atoms recombine at the metal surface to provide heat required for welding.”

So, is not correct! It's only about 412 J to disassociate the H2 into 2 H's atoms !!! This is where the extra energy comes in from the vacuum and what makes this process have an optimal energy gain of about 1000 times the input.

Interesting thought. I will like do do the experiment myself. However from the choice of your thread name, it appears that conversion of SiverToGold is also your passion. If you have any info, it will be appreciated. Like oil, gold also creates divided humanity. I have come across one statement, "It is possible for example, to convert Tin to Gold plus one other element (may be catalyst) in a microwave oven." Some years back, I was thinking of using microwave oven to create (replicate) room temperature ceramic super-conductors.
So microwave oven can be very useful tool. Thanks.
Warmest regards
lightworker

[Lightworker1]

Maybe, I was only quoting that from a reference. Other references show
416 J, etc... it depends on whose book you read.

Lyne's work is not infallible.

In any case, this concept is in the context of dissociating h2 to h with an
arc.

Nh3 production route then cracking ammonia doesn't require as much,
which will ultimately give atomic hydrogen where it needs to be when
only starting with air and water.

Hello @Aaron on the subject Atomic Hydrogen, JL Naudin has conducted some excellent work. In one of the experiments, ONE HOUR tests with a COP of 21, was seen. Full tests of the MAHG by JL Naudin

The Moller's Atomic Hydrogen Generator

Also, I few days back, presented on your other thread, "SUPERLIGHT" , post #8

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1233-superlight.html

I hope, it will be interesting
Warmest regards
lightworker

[SilverToGold]

God created the earth and all that is in it from WATER.

People tend to have a misguided belief that the Bible is some fairy tale but I will tell you right out that the Bible is the only Truth in this world. It is the divine word of God and without it, no one can know the truth of why we are here and what it's all about.

All things were created by God from water. Water is not simply H2O but the first matter of generation for all other matter.

Forget your microwave ovens, forget whatever anyone claims.

Trust in God alone and know that water can create ANY matter because that is where it all came from.

But if one don't read their Bible or desire to know God, what is the point of explaining things any further to that person.

Matthew 6:19-21

Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Final Events of Bible Prophecy - YouTube

Interesting thought. I will like do do the experiment myself. However from the choice of your thread name, it appears that conversion of SiverToGold is also your passion. If you have any info, it will be appreciated. Like oil, gold also creates divided humanity. I have come across one statement, "It is possible for example, to convert Tin to Gold plus one other element (may be catalyst) in a microwave oven." Some years back, I was thinking of using microwave oven to create (replicate) room temperature ceramic super-conductors.
So microwave oven can be very useful tool. Thanks.
Warmest regards
lightworker

[Danny B]

Interstellar hydrogen

I found an interesting article on hydrogen. This is the closest thread that I could find.
River of hydrogen flowing through space observed -- ScienceDaily

[Aaron]

prevent formation of water molecule

but when im listening Meyer lecture Stanley A. Meyer The Safe Free Energy Conference Einsiedeln_Switzerland-1989 mostly from 39:44 to 41:30 i came to idea that what we sould do is to prevent recombination off hydrogen and oxygen to form water to get more energy right?

so what hes saying is to ,after water separation, hydrogen and oxygen sould be energized to create bigger than normal charges in nuclei to weken the attraction force with electron so it will not be in stable state and will not recombine to form water molecule wich will result in combustion in even higher energy output .

Just looking through some old threads.

Yes - prevent the formation of water molecule by adding ionized nitrogen though. H and O will go to the reactive atomic nitrogen instead of to each other. That prevents the formation of the water molecule and that allows you to get the thermal combustive energy from the hydrogen. It slows the burn and lowers the temp so the water gas is more like gasoline.