Stanley Meyer Explained

[Tecstatic]

Hi bussi,

First please give me a link to the exact 4046 IC you use, if it is a Philips, it must be a Philips data sheet. No more misunderstandings.

Assuming the IC adheres to my data sheet, I continue, as this must be designed to work, we don't get lucky by trial and error.

1. According to my data sheet the max VCO frequency is approx. around 300kHz, so the first design decision is to chose a center frequency of 160kHz. Set SW1 to 10 kohm. C12 = 100pF.

2. Like an internal combustion engine has a gearbox to make it happy in its best RPM range, we have U12..U14 to let the VCO run at 160kHz and divide down to what we need.

And now we get to a real error: The choice of 4017 is a bad choice as it is a decade counter so we have division factors 1, 10, 100, 1000.

None of these are good for the final use, maybe except a factor of 1.

So instead of 3 pcs 4017 I would like to have only one 4024 ripple counter offering factors 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128.

For the final use I would use the factor 4, and for the test I would use 32.

No pin13 is a totem pole output with tristate capability. So don't put a resistor there.

What you see is a control loop saturated a one rail. The working voltage on C10 should be approx. 2.5V +- 1V, when everything is OK.

R12, R13 and C10 acts as an integrator of the square wave output from the phase comparator, except when the frequency is bulls eye, then it is 3-stated to keep the C10 voltage constant. The integrator sets the delta freq / delta time, or the rate of change of frequency per time unit. Too slow, and you never lock in, too fast and it will be unstable.

So get a 4024 IC and put it on the breadboard. Use the Q2 output (pin11) to U4 pin 3.

Alternatively have the VCO center frequency at 40kHz and divide by 10 (SW7 C-position), SW1 A-position C12 100pF.

Be sure to try reversing the wires to P3 and P4 so you can see the difference between positive and negative feedback.

And of cause U3 must start scanning below 4kHz. Except for the switchover switch (U6) I'm quite confident this should work OK.

Good luck

Eric

[1NRG24Seven]

Why I believe Ultraviolet Light and/or frequencies were used by SM

@ All

Why I believe that Stan was using ultraviolet light and/or frequencies.

Fog is somewhat like clouds yet a fog bank will stay close to ground level and is unlike a cloud inthat a cloud is made by sunlight, fog by a temperature invergence at lower temperatures off bodies of water. So Im thinking that fog has a different charge to it than do clouds

Now clouds I believe to have a different charge which cause the release of a HHO like gas to carry it up into the atmosphere mixed with water vapours.

When these water vapours get to a critical mass and two cloud fronts merge, the charge front causes an explosion of the HHO like gasses manifesting as THUNDER, then what takes place is a high voltage plasma disharge in the ultraviolet light spectrum we call LIGHTNING.

What Stan was doing in my oppinion was creating this all to happen at a smaller scale in his water spark plugs.

We all know well the enormous power released in thunderstorms, and what do you smell during a thunderstorm? OZONE

OZONE or pure oxygen is the result of the plasma reaction at ignition, and since the ozone would mix with other gasses like acetylene is to oxygen and then instantaneously burned, then Ozone present in the combustion chamber should not be a problem as its just for a microsecond untill combustion has occured and nuetralized the ozone and recombine as water.

H20 has mentioned several times the SM process to be understood we look to nature. And I agree.

What is being created here is clouds, plasma, thunder (explosion) in a small controlled inviornment.

To create clouds (higher water droplet state charge) we start with fog
charged with ultraviolet light, then use an ultraviolet plasma discharge across the sparkplug (lightning) to created the Thunder in the combustion chamber


But then again I could be way off base here...any correction is welcome

Blessings Team
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[h20power]

Respectfully i already have Over unity factor of at least 500 cop times energy multiplication factor with energy output in h2. So big deal for me is done, i have almost no problem to leave you alone to try your ideas, but as i'm a very special person, i still fell sorry about you anyway. Sorry to say this but If you were more humble (humility) you wouldn't lost the opportunity to have my help.


However (boys and girls) wasn't an attack was just like say hello, and that post was just to try to make you understand you need energy to the process keep going. And it don't comes from the alternator or battery. And to say that this process also don't break any law of thermodynamics. Said this i wait for a help call otherwise you wont see me here again.

thanks,
Best Regards
Sebosfato

But I ask you to stop posting in my thread, I don't need your help, never did. I already have a clear picture of what needs to be done, if you stop to take the time to read the thread, study the material, instead of trying to shove your ideas down my throat, you might have notice that fact.

I am not dealing with the WFC, I am dealing with the water fuel injectors method of breaking down the water molecule, again if you read this thread you would know the two units use a very different process to break the bonds of the water molecule. I only spoke of the WFC for the benefit of others wanting to know how it worked and I wrote down how it works down to the working mechanisms involved. The only part I ever needed help with was the circuitry as I am a man of science not circuits, and I am not to proud to ask for help when I need it. But I know what the circuits must do in order for this technology to work properly. You try to apologize in your own way, well your going to have to do much better than that, as you and your other Italian friend have made your stances clear in the minds of the readers of this thread. The proper way to judge a person is by there actions and your actions speak a non friendly tone. If it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, then perhaps it is a duck, get it?

From the moment I started this thread I really didn't need any help with Stanley Meyer's technology, just help in clarifying it, and for the most part I answered most of my own questions concerning that. Don't get me wrong a lot of people have helped me to better understand this technology and for that I am truly great full. But I came here after being shut down at IonizationX loosing my freedom of speech. There I was band for my thoughts, for they didn't seem to fit the masses views of Stanley Meyers technology even to the point of telling them they where all wrong directly to their faces. Sure I could have used more a more tactful method, but tell them I did and I got band for it on more than one site.

Here I was free to explore my thoughts and as a result take Meyer's work back to science and throw away all forms of magic that so many people placed in his technology. I don't believe in magic and am not prone to the effects of the group mind. I am not afraid to stand alone and here I did just that at first, but other people started to read what I was doing and started too also understand the science behind Stanley Meyer's work that I was working on too. In Meyer's work before I started this thread there was always a point where the person that believed Meyer was telling the truth came to a point of saying "something happened," as the math that the septics was showing them way saying that it couldn't be done. Energy content calculations using hho only yielded 286 kJ/mol and that was not enough to even come close to the energy content of gasolines 5080 kJ/mol. But until I opened up this thread that answer of just saying "something happen" is all those behind Meyer's technology had to say for the missing energy content for water to take the place of gasoline. They put all kinds of foolery in the VIC transformer when it is after all just a transformer. It went on like that for at least 10 years or more until I posted this thread. Now we know where the missing energy content is coming from, that is if one understands the information in this thread. For the question of what is the "Something Happened" has been answered and is no longer a mystery.

As you can see when I started this tread I already knew the answer to that long held question of "Something Happened." I didn't need any help with it at all just a place to work out the math and science without destructions and more importantly censorship. When I started this thread I already knew just how the VIC transformer for the injectors worked to make it's high voltage as it was not like the conventional step-up transformer. I came to this site with all the know how of how it worked, even though it wasn't complete, I understood how it all worked in general. I did not come here with the idea I needed any help but with the idea that I had something to teach and share with the world. I am well beyond someones help when it comes to understanding how Stanley Meyer technology works, sure points of clarity did come in, but for the most part I was and still am the teacher here. But as I have already pointed out even teachers learn from others. So do I need your help, I really don't think so, as we are working on different parts of Stanley Meyer's technology. So leave me to my thoughts so I can finish up what I have started here, deal? Thanks for staying out of my way from now on and I am sure the readers of this thread will also thank you.

Good bye and best of luck to you in your efforts.

h2opower.

[bussi04]

Bussi,

One more thing.

The way you connect the feedback wires to P3 and P4 is important. One way you get negative feedback and a C10 voltage being stable and constant, which will result in lock on the resonance frequency.

Inverting the wires, will result in positive feedback, so you get ripple on the C10 capacitor voltage, and thus the VCO will be frequency modulated. we don't want that, we need a stable voltage on C10 which results in a stable frequency on the VCO output on U4 pin 4.

Eric

[1NRG24Seven]

Thank You very much Techstatic

I have hundreds of such ultraviolet CFLs but they are very long at 5 feet each. I know that 20 inch tubes with quarts liners are about $1,250 already made for use to kill algea in ponds. The units come with the transformer and two tubes inside of a PVC housing with water inlet and outlets. The tubes themselves are quartz as quartz has no lead in it like glass does which blocks UV radiation. Im thinking the US Government spent minimum of $1,000.00 Just for each 60" quartz liner that the UV CFL sat in. The quartz liner looks like a long test tube 1" outside dia.
I have over 200 sets of tubes available. I have given a few away and broke several as the quartz is delicate. The only way to cut and fuse this stuff is with HHO gas torch. The tubes could be cut down and fused to any size. But one would have to know what types gas was used inside. My closest guess is Argon as thats also what is used in the Tesla Violet Ray Generators. I also have a few of those with tube fictures.
This ultraviolet light is very intence, if you look at it while on for even 15 seconds you'll wake up with your eyes on fire and think your going blind. These tubes also produce huge amounts of ozone which will tickle and burn the nose sences a bit. I am happy to donate a few for the thread if you thought it might help further this research. Only problem is, is to get them shipped without breakage. I guess I could insure them for $1,000 each and if they break would just help fund more research. I bought the intire water treatment plant from the government for a song. I am guessing they had well over 2 million into this project, and that is a conserative estiment.

Good work team
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[bussi04]

enough is enough!

H20 I'm not against you i like you very much, because you kept the fire alive here and i respect you very much. The only thing is that you don't show up what you have, or want to do, or need to do, or what you are doing or your problems. So it only seems like you say that you already have something working when is not true and that makes me a bit sad hehe. sorry!

I help you for free! please don't take in consideration that i asked for donations on my thread, i need them because i'm all in this thing, and having troubles to arrive the end of the month! The gas processor is something i can't test now because of my situation. But help you don't cost me any. So if i can i do it with pleasure.


I'm the first to want to help you if you need anything. I'm the most interested person in any thing related to energy and hydrogen in the world. Post your problems and what you haven't figured out and i'm going to clear it up to help you.

Please lets stop this kind of fight of points of view. Is none sense and not productive.

Tell us whatever you are missing to do your tests? I'm going to help you. When you do them you will find out the next step to go. It doesn't matter how much energy you need to input ok you just need to prove the concept that ionized gas in contact with water generate h2 and or that it can increase the thermal energy. Concentrate on this for now.

If you need to use 1000 watts 10000 watts does not mater ok. you just need to find a way to ionize efficiently and be able to check the results.

Peace

[sebosfato]

H20 I'm not against you i like you very much, because you kept the fire alive here and i respect you very much. The only thing is that you don't show up what you have, or want to do, or need to do, or what you are doing or your problems. So it only seems like you say that you already have something working when is not true and that makes me a bit sad hehe. sorry!

I help you for free! please don't take in consideration that i asked for donations on my thread, i need them because i'm all in this thing, and having troubles to arrive the end of the month! The gas processor is something i can't test now because of my situation. But help you don't cost me any. So if i can i do it with pleasure.


I'm the first to want to help you if you need anything. I'm the most interested person in any thing related to energy and hydrogen in the world. Post your problems and what you haven't figured out and i'm going to clear it up to help you.

Please lets stop this kind of fight of points of view. Is none sense and not productive.

Tell us whatever you are missing to do your tests? I'm going to help you. When you do them you will find out the next step to go. It doesn't matter how much energy you need to input ok you just need to prove the concept that ionized gas in contact with water generate h2 and or that it can increase the thermal energy. Concentrate on this for now.

If you need to use 1000 watts 10000 watts does not mater ok. you just need to find a way to ionize efficiently and be able to check the results.

Peace

[bussi04]

Hi bussi,
...
The feedback voltage is the voltage across the parallel of the 240V coil and your tuning capacitor.

Good luck

Eric

[Tecstatic]

Bussi,

One more thing.

The way you connect the feedback wires to P3 and P4 is important. One way you get negative feedback and a C10 voltage being stable and constant, which will result in lock on the resonance frequency.

Inverting the wires, will result in positive feedback, so you get ripple on the C10 capacitor voltage, and thus the VCO will be frequency modulated. we don't want that, we need a stable voltage on C10 which results in a stable frequency on the VCO output on U4 pin 4.

Eric

[Tecstatic]

Hi bussi,

Fact 1.

As you describe it the primary and secondary does not have the same resonant frequency, I did not expect the frequencies to be the same, and it does not matter, you are fine with what you have, the extra consumption is irrelevant in this test.

Fact 2. Nice, thats OK.

Question 1

Below resonance the capacitor has the largest impedance, above resonance the inductance has the largest impedance, so around the resonance you will experience a phase shift, and that is what the 4046 are looking for (phase comparator).

The feedback voltage is the voltage across the parallel of the 240V coil and your tuning capacitor.

Good luck

Eric

[bussi04]

@bussi

How goes ?
If you have problems with the circuit, please don't sit alone with the problems.

PM me if you like. I am available the next 3 hours, and then surely after 8 hours from now, maybe before. I may disappear shortly from the forum for other uses of the computer.

@h20power

Keep up your positive thoughts. Just consider the attacks as an attempt to conserve "their" business model, and think no more of that. Focus on your vision, that is surely a positive thing.

Count me in to assist in getting some working electronics soon.

Regarding the availability of the LEDs, I am thinking of ultraviolet CFLs which exist in different types, some are used to sterilize water used in greenhouses.

Maybe it could be a solution to put such a tube inside the GP, and surround the tube with a fine mesh like you use for the EEC, so light can pass through and we have the electrical surface also.

@1NRG24Seven



Eric

[Tecstatic]

@bussi

How goes ?
If you have problems with the circuit, please don't sit alone with the problems.

PM me if you like. I am available the next 3 hours, and then surely after 8 hours from now, maybe before. I may disappear shortly from the forum for other uses of the computer.

@h20power

Keep up your positive thoughts. Just consider the attacks as an attempt to conserve "their" business model, and think no more of that. Focus on your vision, that is surely a positive thing.

Count me in to assist in getting some working electronics soon.

Regarding the availability of the LEDs, I am thinking of ultraviolet CFLs which exist in different types, some are used to sterilize water used in greenhouses.

Maybe it could be a solution to put such a tube inside the GP, and surround the tube with a fine mesh like you use for the EEC, so light can pass through and we have the electrical surface also.

@1NRG24Seven



Eric

[1NRG24Seven]

You made mention of wire also...maybe for the bifiller coils , not sure.

A few years back I bought a water treatment plant from the Burue of Reclaimation. This water treatment system involved some 10 Tons wort of equipment and control ciruits and huge electrical vaults. The system incorperated two 600 gallon Stainless Steel tanks which each had 108 ultra violet light tubes inside of Quartz test tubes about 60" long each. Each set of two Ultraviolet tubes had a transformer to power the pair. Like a Flourecent Light tranformer, just a different voltage/amp for thses special tubes. I believe the frequency you'll be looking for is close to Ultraviolet as this produces pure Ozone which is pure Oxygen at a higher level. Ozone is produced naturally bu the sun hitting large bodies of water. Anyway...the wire that these lamps and transformers were hooked up with has been a mystery to me until i seen this thread

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5067-german-silver-tesla-s-resistive-wire.html

I think this is what this stuff is but have not been able to confirm it yet
I have loads of this wire, don't know if some of it would do you any good. In fact its the same wire you seen in my video you commented on wired up to the tube WFC.

Let me know if you would like to try some of it
Best wishes
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[1NRG24Seven]

Now that looks like a serious unit...heheheh
can't wait see er pulsed up.

I also found it interesting that Stan did not think it much of a problem to make any amout of HHO nessesary to even power an ocean liner..and we are worrying about 7 liters per minute for a VW motor. Stans technology far exceeded any limitations if he was working with Perkins Diesel on engines of that magnitude. This cell you made looks like it could produce some serious amounts of processed gas. So...like us red necks say "Lets Get Er DONE" ...24

[h20power]

Hi and thanks 1NRG24Seven,

I agree with you too. The question I will look up a bit later is how to tell mcd vs mw as the LEDs I got are 25k mcd and higher up to 55K mcd. One thing I wasn't worried about was being able to out do Stanley Meyer on his laser power for technology has advanced much in this area since his death. For me I just need the controlling circuitry and the testing begins, just like Stanley Meyer's gas gun I have 96 LEDs total in my version of the gas processor for testing.
It is already built as you can see and is just waiting on the controlling circuitry so it can be hooked up to the Jetta for testing. I know one thing if I decide to take a look down the tube when it is in operation that will be the last time I take a look with my eyes as it should do very significant damage to my retina. The warning came with the LEDs . But interesting side note I can't buy them anymore as one company has gone out of business and the other stop producing the LEDs I purchased. I even had a very hard time in getting the high voltage diodes at a decent price and bifilar wire also. They wanted to charge me $17/ft for the wire here in the US.

We are focused on the same then as I opened up this thread to have talks of the water fuel injection system and all it's varying parts that went along with it. When it comes to the others that where trying to put salt in my game I now see that they have a vested interest in seeing I am made to look like a fool who doesn't know what he is talking about. One call the people that follow my work sheep and seems to want to cut the heard toward his thread so they can contribute to his efforts, and the other has money interest tied in a NDA sell your soul to the devil type of agreement with someone trying to produce the technology for sell or for some hefty government grant money. Just follow the money is what they say, right? Anyway now that I know that I can put things into perspective a lot better when they do post on my thread from now on.

Thanks for sharing that you came to the same conclusions also, for it shows I am not alone in my line of thinking.


h2opower.