Stanley Meyer Explained

[h20power]

So you are not injecting the air? if you work with vacuum h20
sound confusing
Why vacuum?

No I am not, for I understand it is the mixture that is what is needed to be created and not the method in which the mixture was delivered. Stanley Meyer did what he did to use his device on any type of vehical bypassing the existing fuel system of the engine it was going to be hooked up to. But it is not the only way it can be done. First understand what is the "Mixture" I am refering too then find all kinds of ways that you can come up with to getting the miture mixed prior to combustion.


h2opower.

[h20power]

HMS-776,
This is one thing I didn't understand. As for igniting the mix, is the normal coil supposed to piggy back the pulsing coil? It would have to stop the pulsing for a second ,wouldn't it?
Couldn't the injector be located on the fuel rail where the old gasoline injectors went, retaining the spark plugs for normal ignition?

The answer to that question is yes. The mixture can be sparked or heat ignited it says so right in Stanley Meyer's patent and the mixture can be mixed in as many ways as you can come up with to do so. First you have to understand just what the mixture is then you can come up with so many different ways as to get the mixture mixed prior to combustion of that mixture.


h2opower.

[h20power]

Is there a general rule of thumb for spacing between electrodes vs voltage applied for ionizing the air?

Polished SS sheet such as this Buy Polished Stainless Steel might make for an easier build.

Itzon

Not really, depending on how you choose to develope your system the prameters change drawmatically. As in my design I had to make sure that the engine was not trying to suck air through a straw. Some others are designing their systems more closely to that of Stanley Meyer's and will have a different set of working perameters than I have. The only rules I followed was the air break down voltage and the air intake requirements of my engine since mine is an inline type of system. Like I said in many of my post there is more than one way to run a car off of water than just the way Stanley Meyer did it.


h2opower.

[h20power]

H2Opower,

I have been reading your progress with this fuel system and it sounds like you are very close to realising it.

I would ask that when you finaly do "crack" this tech, that you write a clear and detailed build guide, simple enough for anyone to follow and get it built. I ask this because I believe that the time has come and gone for secrecy and to be quite frank, most people don't want to have to "figure it out for themselves", they just want to know how to build it (or buy it). The reason we don't have this tech out in the public today is because of Stan Meyers greed. There, I said it. Please don't make the same mistake.

I wish you all the best for your remaining experiments.

Cheers,

Steve

Hi Steve,
I set this up as an engineering/builders challange for one good reason, to get as many minds coming up with different ideas as possible. I am not out to help those who wont help themselves at the moment, but to start a revolution of the many that will give this an honest try with their own ideas and ways of thinking. Some clearly want to use Stainless Steel for their housings more power to them. Other have put the use of neddles to create the needed effect, and yet others have done things I have a hard time understanding that seem to be far more advanced than what I am doing, to those my hats off towards you.

If you read the whole thread you will see all of your points I have already gone over. This is the best way to spread the technology for there is more than just one way to get the job done and what better way to find out how many different ways it can be done than to let people be free to build the way they want to just point them in the right direction and let them go. In all of my engineering classes when a project came up each and every team at the due date had something totally different from each others designs, but the more important part is over 95% of them worked. This is no difference in the way I choose to do this for it is the way it should be done. No amount of talking or reasoning will make me change my mind on this for it is already clear to me that this is the best way to get the job done. Have faith in those who choose to build to do the right thing when the time comes for showing their versions of a working model in the way they choose to do so is all I ask.


h2opower.

[sebosfato]

So you are not injecting the air? if you work with vacuum h20
sound confusing
Why vacuum?

[h20power]

I suppose that H2OPOWER use Aluminium because the electric conductivity is low on this material. But I have a question.. as I have previoulsy written Is my consideration that without an pump or compressor GP don't work. You use anything of these? If yes what is the model that you use for this application?Regards

Yes I am using a vacuum pump that we all know, it is called an internal combustion engine or ICE for short.

[rdmwc]

tutanka, please read the patents as previously stated before you clutter the thread. you will notice only a filter upstream of the GP

[sebosfato]

Is not logical and practical to have vacuum inside the gas processor. Tutanka there are argon in the air too witch have lots of free electrons to be liberated.
there must be pressure because the atoms get hot and this way is easier to ionize them.

[tutanka]

tutanka, there is vacuum in the gas processor. Please read the following:

Stan Meyers Water Fuel Injectors explained

On the second post down I give a System Description!

-Enjoy!

Mmmmmhhh..... I don't think vacuum is sufficient for abtain an large amount of air ionized with -e. I remember to you that percentage of oxygen is only 20% into air. I want only understand better Meyer concept and build an my system, don't want copy anything from Meyer. Regards

[pmazz850]

HMS-776,
This is one thing I didn't understand. As for igniting the mix, is the normal coil supposed to piggy back the pulsing coil? It would have to stop the pulsing for a second ,wouldn't it?
Couldn't the injector be located on the fuel rail where the old gasoline injectors went, retaining the spark plugs for normal ignition?

[sebosfato]

The aluminum plate should be only the negative one. Because it will oxidize and will restrict the corona discharge, allowing to create a very high voltage differential between the plates. The higher the voltage the more electrons are pulled from the air. The positive electrode must be stainless as you don't want it to oxidize. This is the current source for the water splitting device.

I created a thread for discussing the schematics from meyers i discovered the function of almost everything, the resonance scanning circuit is a saw tooth generator that sweeps the frequency and stop when lock signal is high. The phase lock loop is a 4046 and 4001 that indicate the lock condition, the gate signal is a pulse width that trigger the 5 pin on the pll.

The thread, help Feedback winding for resonance with pll 4046 - Electronic Circuits Projects Diagrams Free

[itzon]

Is there a general rule of thumb for spacing between electrodes vs voltage applied for ionizing the air?

Polished SS sheet such as this Buy Polished Stainless Steel might make for an easier build.

Itzon

[Radiant_Science]

Water is the least of your worries....

There isn't water going into it I know....there is Air, "non-combustible" gasses, and Hydrogen and Oxygen gas.

No matter what is going in there, there will be oxygen. Oxygen ion O3 is the most oxidizing thing around...it will turn the Aluminum a pale grey in a matter of seconds!
If insulation is used....that's a totally different story...

[pmazz850]

There doesn't need to be any water going through this part of the system,just air and non comb. Gas. The water would be added after. As for the injector, you would probably want to use stainless.

[Radiant_Science]

Sorry

I don't mean to burst your bubble...but, the gas processor is most definitively Stainless in Meyer's...

"The gases are continually exposed to a pulsating laser or other electromagnetic wave energy together with a high intensity oscillating voltage field that occurs within the cell between the electrodes or conductive plates of opposite electrical polarity. A preferred construction material for the plates is stainless steel t-304 which non-chemically reactive with water, hydrogen or oxygen. An electrical conductive material which is inert in the fluid environment is a desirable material of construction for the electrical field producing plates, through which the gas stream of activate particles passes."

Your Aluminum will work for a while, but, the Aluminum oxide layer may become too high of a resistance....However, If it's just a standing voltage you are after, then the oxide layer may become beneficial in capacitor action??

Anyway, good luck!