Stanley Meyer Explained

[Guest]

Thinking about it one of the main advantages of the water mist/air idea must be to avoid the voltage breakdown associated with liquid water. That is a practical thing. The electrons will have a harder time jumping through the water mist.

I get your point H2O, the control and energy level of the water mist will be better I believe.

On a separate note the steam resonator looks very interesting. And I believe everybody should build the WFC for a start. The rest will be easier I reckon. No need to continue here until somebody does something practical and shows us his results. Better sooner than later.

[h20power]

This time I think I got the math right

Any water as fuel

Has anyone ever wondered about Stanley Meyer's statement of using any water source for use as fuel? Most of us have an understanding about how the Water Fuel Capacitor(WFC) works, so we know if you put salt water in it the amp use goes up. We know that the water needs to be fairly consistent and the purer the better or the resonance will be swinging all over the place. Changing temperatures also have this effect on WFC's. So how did Meyer solve this problem? How could he now make this claim of using any water as a fuel source? He did so by getting rid of the WFC, and let the energy of the primed air gases break the water down for him.

It takes 1836 kJ/mol to break the bonds of water under normal conditions this number was discovered by Dr. Faraday many years ago. Now if you take into account what the Gas Processor is doing is striping electrons from the air making them have a much higher energy content then the answer of where this energy comes from to break the water down is in the air itself.

Looking at the reactions to break and form the water molecule:
4 H-O 459 kJ/mol bonds are broken taking 1836 kJ/mol to do so.
2 H-H 436 kJ/mol bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 498 kJ/mol are formed yeilding 1370 kJ/mol.
This is why all scientist say it takes more energy to break the bonds of water than you get from combining them, for the net sum of the reaction is negative, -466 kJ/mol.

Lets us look at just oxygen, since it is apart of the reaction, here are the energy levels of oxygen:
1st 1313.9 kJ/mol
2nd 3388.3 kJ/mol
3rd 5300.5 kJ/mol
4th 7469.2 kJ/mol
5th 10909.5 kJ/mol
6th 13326.5 kJ/mol
7th 71330.0 kJ/mol
8th 84078.0 kJ/mol

Now the 1st level doesn't have enough energy to get any useful energy yield out of it this way so you must get the oxygen at minimum to it's 2nd level of ionization.

The new reaction to form the water molecule 1st energy level:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 1313.9 kJ/mol are formed yeilding 2185.9 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is positive 2185.9-1836 = +349.9 kJ/mol, so now we are getting more energy out than in. But this reaction is still far less than the 4864 kJ/mol of gasoline. So what do we do? Strip more electrons.

2nd energy level:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 3388.3 kJ/mol are formed yeilding 4260.3 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is 4260.3-1836 = +2424.3 kJ/mol, now that is just about half as much energy as the reaction for gasolines 4864 kJ/mol.
Since Meyer says he used the 4th energy level or lower lets look at that reaction.
The new reaction to form the water molecule at the 4th energy level:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 7469.2 kJ/mol are formed yeilding 8341.2 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is 8341.2-1836 = +6505.2 kJ/mol

It is easy to see how Meyer got his dune buggy to run on only an hho production rate of 7L/min now is it not? Now you can see the Oxygen has enough energy to break down the water molecule and re-react with it yeilding these high numbers. The electron affinity is what is taking place here, I belive, for the unstable Oxygen atoms wants the Hydrogen atoms more than the normal Oxygen atom holding the water molecule together does.



Now let us take another look at what Stanley Meyer has to say about this in his patent;

Thermal Explosive Energy
Exposing the expelling "laser-primed" and "electrically charged" combustible gas ions (exiting from
Gas Resonant Cavity) to a thermal-spark or heat-zone causes thermal gas-ignition, releasing thermal
explosive energy (gmt) beyond the Gas-Flame Stage, as illustrated in Figure (1-19) as to (1-18). { What this is saying is you can use a spark plug or high compression to set off the reaction.}
Thermal Atomic interaction (gmt) is caused when the combustible gas ions (from water) fail to
unite or form a Covalent Link-up or Covalent Bond between the water molecule atoms. as
illustrated in Figure (1-19). The oxygen atom having less than four covalent electrons (Electron
Extraction Process) is unable to reach "Stable-State" (six to eight covalent electrons required) when
the two hydrogen atoms seeks to form the water molecule during thermal gas ignition. { This is saying that Meyer stripped the oxygen atom to its' 4th ionization energy level of 7469.2 kJ/mol or less than the 4th energy level. Why because the oxygen atom has eight electrons in its' outer orbit, so my only 2nd needed level might not be enough.}
The absorbed Laser energy (Va. Vb and V c) weakens the "Electrical Bond" between the orbital
electrons and the nucleus of the atoms; while, at the same time, electrical attraction-force (qq'),
being stronger than "Normal" due to the lack of covalent electrons. "Locks Onto" and "Keeps" the
hydrogen electrons. These “abnormal” or “unstable” conditions cause the combustible gas ions to
over compensate and breakdown into thermal explosive energy (gmt). { What this part is saying is that these primed oxygen atoms have enough energy to break the water down and re-react with it, with more energy yield than just the hydrogen/oxygen reaction in air alone. Plus tells that the photonic energy is also stripping electrons from the oxygen atom.} This Atomic Thermal Interaction between highly energized combustible gas ions is hereinafter called "The Hydrogen Fracturing Process."
By simply attenuating or varying voltage amplitude in direct relationship to voltage pulse-rate
determines Atomic Power-Yield under controlled state. { This part is telling us that by simply raising/lowering the voltage we can control the power output of the reaction, and he went and grouped terms again.}

Also in the patent:
The Hydrogen Fracturing Process dissociates the water molecule
by way of voltage stimulation, ionizes the combustible gases by
electron ejection and, then, prevents the formation of the water
molecule during thermal gas ignition ... releasing thermal
explosive energy beyond "normal" gas burning levels under
control state ... and the atomic energy process is environmentally
safe.

Abstract of WO9222679
An injector system comprising an improved
method and apparatus useful in the production of
a hydrogen containing fuel gas from water in a
process in which the dielectric property of water
and/or a mixture of water and other components
determines a resonate condition that produces a
breakdown of the atomic bonding of atoms in the
water molecule. The injector delivers a mixture of
water mist(1), ionized gases(2), and non-
combustible gas(3) to a zone or locus(5) within
which the breakdown process leading to the
release of elemental hydrogen from the water
molecules occurs. {This is giving us the formula needed to break down water into its elemental forms hydrogen and oxygen with just the Gas Processor and a spark or high heat from a high compression type engine16:1 or higher. The need of the firestorm type spark plug is a must so that it makes sure the reaction occurs, that would be considered the locus. That formula is: water mist, ionized gases, noncombustible gas, and spark or heat ignition.}

This time I went and dusted off my chemistry books to make sure I was doing everything the right way. But like I said before if I made a mistake someplace please feel free to correct me I am only human after all.

Time for energy independence, wouldn't you say

h2opower.

[boguslaw]

Yup.I really like you idea.It looks nice.

There is one problem however. The method of ionization oxygen must be very innovative because normal electric one just causes massive conversion to ozone

[h20power]

Hey, How are you doing been awhile, huh? How you get it too convert is with coherent light and the right wave lengths, everyone's gotta do their own homework on that one. Plus the job of the EEC also works to towards that goal by consuming negetive electrons that have just been freshly striped by the gas processor. But trust me this is it

Take care,
h2opower.

Yup.I really like you idea.It looks nice.

There is one problem however. The method of ionization oxygen must be very innovative because normal electric one just causes massive conversion to ozone

[rdmwc]

h20 power, i think you are 100% on with this! i've been following this thread for about a week waiting for my account to be activated so i could post a reply. You sparked the idea, and i've been persuing multiple angles of the whole thing, i have specific wavelength LEDs picked out and i will be ordering them next week. i've even started fabricating a prototype injector. there are a few particulars that i havent found info on... such as what type of housing the ionizing chamber should be... (materials) now i dont have access to any sophistocated electronics, so the high voltage i will mess with will be from a primitave MOT settup i have right now. if there is any info or places i could find the info i need, it would be greatly appreciated! oh, and as far as the eec goes, that could just be a low wattage bulb, no?

[h20power]

Hi and thanks,

For the most part I will be using the same matireals as Stanley Meyer did, SS aluminium, glass, delrin, and the rest. And yes the EEC can be just a light bulb, but I want mine set up like a power indicator on an amplifier or stereo so I can see how much I can pull by tuning the frequncy and adjusting the pulsing. Once I have it set, then all I have to do is very the voltage for more or less air gas ionization as needed.

The absolute best way to approach this is with full understanding of all that is going on with the Gas Processor and the Water Injector. Getting the controlable high voltage source I think can come from any method, but don't quote me on that, do the R&D to make sure.


h2opower.

[Guest]

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[rdmwc]

good idea with the indicator. for that i would assume that the more ionization that takes place, the more eloctrons that will be leaving as you tune it to resonace correct? so an LED wouldnt really work because they are so precise on the power they require to run... ? now i am not sure if the wavelengths i found are correct. i looked at a spectrum chart for hydrogen and for oxygen and used that to determine the wavelengths. as far as materials go, i guess i havent read what stan used. is it all in his patents? lets keep this thread going guys i seriously believe h20 power is correct on this one! we WILL see results!
thanx Gauss for the link!!

[boguslaw]

OK.Maybe you solved Meyer injector and gas processor (though I'm not sure) but what about original WFC ? Should we burn that idea ?

[h20power]

OK.Maybe you solved Meyer injector and gas processor (though I'm not sure) but what about original WFC ? Should we burn that idea ?

It has been almost 11 years since Stanley Meyer died and in all this time all focuse has been on the water fuel capacitor(WFC). In looking at what Stanley Meyer himself did as he evolved in his understanding of the water for fuel technology, at the end not even he used it. The role of the electron extraction circuit in the WFC seems to be how it works by preventing the water molecule from recombining by consuming the positive electrons on one of the electrodes. But he still had the problem of changing temps, and different contaminates in the water itself.

So should everyone burn the idea of the WFC, no, but they should understand that that is not Meyer's end product. His end product used more of the KISS method than the WFC method did. For now he didn't have to transport the hho mixture safely, store 15 psi of the hho gases, and he could use any water source he came accross. With the Gas Processor you can use any hho producing device, but when Meyer started adding up the ionization energy numbers he saw that he could use no hho making device and that is more cost effective. So it is up to the end users to make the choice of which direction they want to go, not me. I have only shown how Stanley Meyer's end product worked, and now how the WFC works, the choice to use this knowledge is up to the individual.

But like I said in close to 11 years no one has ever looked at what the Gas Processor was doing until now, and it just so happen it turned out to be the key to the high energy levels Stanley Meyer always spoke of . Now everyone has the numbers to back up the science, and no laws of physics are being broken. Mother nature is finally being listened too, for lightining stroms have been doing this for a very long time, Meyer pointed it out. The scientist where all focused on the WFC and the 2nd law of thermo dynamics, since under normal conditions the sum of the waters' reactions is endothermic -466 kJ/mol. Thus from a none understanding point of view the reaction seems to be violeting the laws of physics, anyone that has read all of this with an open mind now knows the truth of how it all works.

So, like I have said before, energy independence is now ours for the taking,

h2opower.

[dankie]

Do you have a disgn of the injector you have in mind ?

Whats it gonna look like , how will you fit it all together ?

dankie

[h20power]

On my car it is going to look like I didn't do anything, for it seems to be already ready for the switch over. Just have to set the fuel system up to pump water insted of gasoline, and work on the electronics so it will keep up with the rpm ranges of the engine aswell as the load sensing so I can go up hills and such. Guess I got lucky on that one.

[rdmwc]

h20 power, what kind of car do you have and how is it ready?

[boguslaw]

Well...h2opower, I agree with your theory - you solved part of Meyer plan, but this is only for getting efficient explosive gas for running combustion engine.What about gas burner ? I think we still need complete understanding of WFC for other appliances.
Oh dear...and look for Meyer injector patent.Do you see voltage zones ? It is still based on the same principle evolved from basic WFC device

[boguslaw]

This inventor : YouTube - filipino inventor
has almost all knowledge of WFC process, and I'm 100% sure what I'm talking about, even without any contact with him.
This is not a fraud, trust me and look how BIG must be choke for low frequency.

Just a few statements from this guy, not longer then what fits in small yellow stick paper would explain it and all difficulties. I'm really sad that he is quiet, but it's his choice. Probably world is not ready for that invention.