Bedini Earth Light

[NickZ]

@ Plengo and All:
Thank you for that well thought out explanation.
However, I think that there can be more to it than just the feeding of the of a cells water habit, or it will stop producing power, and not grow crystals, etz. Is that not still just the proof that this is a chemical reaction that we are seeing? No water, no power? Or a variation of the galvanic theory?
On the other hand if a cell can produce energy without needing air, or needing water to burn or use in any way. Then that would be the proof that there is more to a solid state type of cell, than just what you have observed concerning flowing water veins inside the cells, drying up, like a plant.

I feel that the two different metals (or Carbon), are producing energy, by a conversion process taken from the surrounding ambient, similar to what some capacitors can do. This process can get totally over-shadowed by our not so wanted chemical or galvanic reaction, but Only If, there is air (oxygen and hydrogen), or water present.

My carbon/quartz cells use no water, nor do they need any water added later, and are sealed from the outside air, and can still light leds. Series connection of multiple cells of this type will produce any voltage needed, but with practically no current. Another proof of the non-galvanic nature of this kind of led light production, is this No Current, Potential Only, type of cell. No oxidation and no current should also mean, no wearing out, and so the cells can last a very long time, dry as a bone...

NickZ

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anybody have salt substitute that's not made by Morton? If you do could you please post the ingredients in it. I'm trying to find what Morton's does different with there salt sub.

[plengo]

@FrozenWaterLab,

great idea. I will very soon post all the sites I have been buying things from and show in a video too.

@All,

I would like to explain some of my findings but in a more "organic" way. I have cells running since July/August of 2011 and they ALL are still running with same intensity as day one. They all diminish in intensity as time pass but with a tiny drop of water they become alive again.

Many cells have corroded and many have standed the test of time without a infinite corrosion, just a little bit which eventually stopped and continue to run. I have been using over 50 different formulas and physical geometries to find the correct combination.

A few things have stood up as signs of how this "organic cell" likes to work. Alum plays an important row as a crystal entity and preservation mechanism.
Water is the "gas" while evaporating or being consumed by the cell.

If you expose the cell to the "air" the water will "evaporate/be consumed" faster and the cell will loose its intensity. More water revives it. More water also increases the corrosion. Too much water kills the cell by "drowning".
As the water evaporates cells becomes alive if not much corrosion progressed.

If you encapsulates the cell in a "housing" where some form of containment is protecting it, it will perform much longer until the water is consumed. While the process goes, the crystal grows even more and more organic the cell becomes.

A second "housing" that keeps the whole "air-water" level is maintained the cell performs even better and much longer without having to add more water. Depending in how tight is that second "housing"

So, the cell lives like a tree and follows a specific life cycle:
- it must be born. Meaning, the day one builds the cell. It is in a inactive form just like a seed.
- it must be activated. Adding water causes it to become active and puts it on its initial stage of embryonic development.
- it must replicate. With initial water activation, cells starts growing its crystal structure. The amount of water here is "extremely important" in that too much water will force too much corrosion and destroy the cell. Too little water will not allow the cell to grow its crystal structure to a level bigger then the initial corrosion. This is crucial point that experimentation and geometry are key elements.
- it must reach maturity and eat is own food. If you activate the cell, you must keep it using more water as food otherwise the cell will permanently die. It must consume the initial water while growing otherwise it will not grow at all. So, after activation one must pay attention on how much water it is there and wait until the first "water food" is consume. DO NOT ADD MORE WATER until the cell digest it COMPLETELY and becomes less intense. That is the mature state. Now the cell is almost not emitting light and "seams" to be dead but it is not.
- it needs to live. After the maturity staged is reached add more water in very small quantities and the cell will start growing every time and produce light as its fruit, just like a tree does. This is the phase where we all want, where the cell can be replenished with food (water) and produce so that we can harvest its fruits (light). Here I have found that the "second housing" can keep the cell in a self contained environment where one does not need to add much water for long periods simply because this containment holds the water and via condensation (very visible if you use a transparent container such as glass bottle) and keeping humidity at a constant level. Some of the water is consumed by the cell and transformed into O2 and H2 which escapes the container and needs to be replaced with added water.
- it needs to be harvested. If you remove the light (LED) from the cell she will die because its fruit (light) must be harvested otherwise the crystal structure will stop growing and she will become like a rock which will close all her inner "veins" making her unable to consume water by simply "lack of use" (fundamental law).

Please, understand that my explanation above is based on real science of observation, replication, measurements and theory application. Even though it sounds very not scientific I think my terminology above does work and if taken with a child's heart can be applied so that others can learn in a very intuitive manner.

Geometry is extremely important. Surface area plays an important role in current production but it is not the only factor. Scaling the surface are will not help if the geometry is not correct. The cell needs its "veins" to be able to carry water through her whole body. Too big of a surface area can actually hinder that and kill the performance of the cell. Smaller cells have been performing much better than big ones.

Fausto.

[FrozenWaterLab]

Hello

It's been weeks studding the thread.
I even transferred it to my laptop so I could read at work during breaks.
All internet access locked at site where I work.
The Kiln arrived today and I have ordered and received allot of the chemicals mentioned, some still on the way.
Can't find Mg tubes. Anyone have a link?
After digesting what you all worked on Obviously I've got my pet project HA
Best I've come up with is the .05 sheet then roll it inside a copper tube.
I'll try a pin to hold edges together for oxide treatment.
Want it in shape it will be used in then the pin can be removed after in position in Crystal matrix or pin may be a contact point???
Maybe copper pin? Might have trouble making contact.
Thats a major construction detail - making contact to the thin film isn't it.
I'll try JB-Weld its spota be conductive I've heard. Before oxide treatment.
I'll report my findings.
I want the roll of Mg exposed on both sides to the crystal with Copper tube or Foil outer and a couple copper wires in center connected to outer tube.
I wanted to find thicker Mg tube so I could compare same surface area/minimum/max bulk.
Future maybe.
I saw some reference to less cathode (Copper/Carbon) surface needed ????
Have that right???
As I see it with the mix thing, I want to make small same size cell cnging only one thing at a time.
I've only seen a little of this or someone didn't figure it was all that important to post there results.
I think it might be a good idea to start a basic reference kinda database.
Materials should be what is easily available to all.
Like 1/2 sq. .05 thick Mg and 1/4" x 1/2" Cu = X V at X ma if you use these Chems in Such and such % and make it this thick.
This might be important to access what is available to some and they can expect such and such.
Anyone know of such a list on another site in there downloads ??????
If not maybe a new thread for that info huh Data huh
Don't take me wrong what I've seen you-all seam to be doing uncharted things and I'm impressed! Thats why this has been so interesting.
I see that its made it a wee bit easier for some of the less fortunate to supply their need for low power devices - be it light, radio reception etc.
I think that will spread.
Good work

This is a list of what has been ordered and the X denotes what I've recieved.

x Alum Powder 5Lb. & Sml Can from Groc.
?Potash alum = potassium alum sulphate

Amonium Aluminum Sulfate 1Lb.

x Aluminum Potassium Sulfate (SO4) 500 g

Barium titanium oxide

BISMUTH(III) Sulfate 99%

x BISMUTH Metal bottle of 3/8" slugs

x Barium Nitrate Ba(NO3)2

Calcium carbonate 99.5% (METAL BASIS)

x Calcium Cloride 1Lb.

x Carbon - Rod and block (Various sizes) = Powder &
charcoal briquettes

x Copper sheet remnants 6Lb.

Copper pipe caps 1/2" 20ea.

Copper couplings 1", 2" & 3"

Copper(II) sulfate pentahydrate

x Cupric Sulfate 60 g

Drying Silicate for flowers - flower store

x 5min Epoxy

x Epson Salt - magnesium sulphate

x Galena Crystal mineral ?Galina lead(II) sulfide

Graphite - Lock Lube - locksmith

x Iron pyrite 1-3" & 8-1"

x Kiln Paragon Firefly 8x8x4-1/2 - 2350

x Magnesium Rod 1" x 12" - 10ea

x Magnesium Foil 2 roll 2 Thickness - .05 & .1 m

1/2x Magnesium Foil Sheets 2 Thickness- .05 & .1 m

Magnesium oxide

x Niobium wire 22gage 5ft. halfhard round

x Potassium Permanganate KMnO4

x Quartz, 1/2" x 1" Points 10ea.

x Rochelle Salt 1Lb. Potassium sodium L-tartrate tetrahydrate
Rochelle salt = potassium sodium carbon hydroxide

x Salt Substitute - 4 ea. @ 3 1/8 oz. = 12 1/2 oz.
Potassium Chloride, Fumaric acid,
Tricalcium Phosphate, Mono-calcium Phosphate
1tsp = 5g (1/4 = 1.2g)

x Sand - deposit down the street - cut in the bluff - bring in to thaw

Silicon carbide 600

SELENIUM -325 MESH 99.5% (METAL BASIS)

x Sodium Carbonate Na2CO3 3 Lb. (Used for Tie-Dying)
- washing soda or soda ash -
can be created from sodium chloride,
(also known as table salt) and limestone.
is a sodium salt of carbonic acid
(heptahydrates)

Strontium titanium oxide

x Tungsten wire & Rod

ZIRCONIUM(IV) OXIDE 99.7%
(METAL BASIS EXCLUDING HF)HF<75PPM

I have others to order already such as ZNO
Anyone have suggestions of ingredients I might want to try?

By the way this is me Haha
Henry (Skip) Scepurek (FrznWtr at FrozenWaterLabs)
PO Box 872103
Wasilla AK 99687 USA
All I Saw
I've used this info for sales (Nat. sales director for Co. at one time)
So no prob. But I wouldn't recommend for most.
I'm a Longshorman by Trade 37yrs

I'll be a tinkering
PS I highly recommend Camera Tripods to any of you doing U-tubes
AND Look in the view finder to see if the Meter read out is visible will ya
FrznWtr

[NickZ]

Jim:
I wonder if the chokes work as well as the larger hand wound ferrite toroid coils. I suppose that the best way to know is to take a voltage/current reading at the led.
I saw an add for ready made blocking oscillators like the joule thief, but using the small chokes like you are doing. I didn't even know that kind of thing was even available. I wonder how well it would work with our type of cells.
Joule Thief Boost Circuit