Eric Dollar, Tom Brown and Peter Lindermann Reproductions

[dmonarch]

Shockwaves

Peter A pressure was noted when a persons hand goes near the vacuumed bulb and as well an attractive force when an insulated conductor is brought near it. Just one question. Were the same effects noted with 1b22 spark gap. That is a pressure and attractive force in its vacinitiy.
Cheers
Damian

[Sputins]

Shockwave Longitudinal Power-Supply & P. Lindemann.

Hi Sputins
In Regaurds to your statement
"To produce TRUE Tesla effects, a sorce of longitudinal waves need to be provided to your main capacitor for charging. That is why Eric uses a medical Tesla coil for his power supply for his pancake coils.. (Not a neon sign transformer)."
Isnt this kinda like saying you require a tesla coil to power a tesla coil, an obvious paradox.
Cheers

Well hehe, yes..kind of. A source of Logitudinal waves or flux.. It could come from duel Tesla coils, I.e. Medical Tesla coil; It could be from a L.M.D. set-up; it could even come from a kicking coil, (Ignition -like boguslaw). I would suggest the Bedini motor output spikes would be good for this too..

I think (and this is just what I think), That the "Method of Conversion" is a two stage process. I.e. First is to produce a Longitudinal electric flux, the use this flux to charge, say a capacitor, then discharge it disruptively, and allow no backrush of current/flux. Could be AC or DC but easier to produce with DC.

As boguslaw said he got it from a tiny spark within a globe or the globe had something to do with it.. i.e. a vacumm, which is a good insulator for the disruptive discharge.

In my case it happened with a small-ish capacitor of 0.5uF @ 2500volts, charged by a supply with a Logitudinal flux component from an L.M.D. set-up, rectified to DC and then finally discharged disruptively with the discharge "gap" being in the circuit after the main capacitor.

The Disruptive discharge resulting in a stinging shockwave on the first occasion was also done by accident.. I was just mucking around with the output of the of the charged capacitor, clamped one terminal to a heavily RUSTED metal grill, an the other terminal I held (insulated of course) and was rubbing it against the rust and metal on the grill. At some point while rubbing against the rust (which has a large dielectric constant) a spark punctured through the rust, and WHAM the shockwave, and sting was felt coming off the metal grill, through the air and against my arm and shoulder.

The rust being a strong insulator and pressing against it excluded the air, moving it gave me the pulse duration required. The first time it occoured was a complete fluke.. In fact only later did I realise what had occoured and possible reasons why.. (Thanks to Lindemann's work).

So now I am buliding a much more powerful version, with a mechanical (disruptive) switch utilizing Mercury and oil, (Hg & Glyserine actually, as it has a dielecrtic strength of 42). A W-rod will be operated in and out of the Mercury and glyserine with a high speed solinoid in a linear fashion. (Too hard a this stage to build a rotary one). Hopefully the switch will be fast and brief enough to "release" the Electro-static component.

I have already built the switch/gap but the first version exploded and broke the glass tube I contained it all in. (It went everywhere and lessons were learnt)! The next version will have to be made much more robust, say made of Teflon.
It may also work (I have not tried it) with (like the Gray tube) a combination of carbon (graphite) and silver? ..Another thing to try...?

Also Its good to hear Peter Lindemann is still alive and is living in a lead box! LOL. (Its ok, you can come out now).. Hehe. Peter is also, like Eric Dollard, a Legend Peter's many years of dedication to the alternative electrical sciences, and through his books and DVD's I have learned a whole lot. (In fact I listen to them all the time as MP3's and it gives me much encouragement).

Ok, so if the Method of Conversion can be made consistantly, reliably and the Longitudinal Electrostatic Pressure/Shock waves are produced or "released", then we can start to really experiment with things and take things to the next level.. This is what I believe powers the Gray tube, and other exotic technologies.. TRUE RADIANT ENERGY!

I hope to provide circuits and pics in the near future..
Sputins.

[dmonarch]

Switch

Wow Sputins sounds like your quite the craftsmen, unfortunatly for me im quite the opposite. Practice makes perfect though.
I kinda think the power section is designed to craft the the signal into the correct form for a longitudinal pulse and that the antena is crafted to pulse the the medium. The is the power is the force and the antenae is the paddle in the medium, with the medium in essence being a component of the system
I think this will be sorted out if peter answers my previous question as to whether the pressure wave came of the spark gap tube as well the vacuum bulb.
I mean when you look at it the analogue computer is simply an analogue of the coil and not the spark gap itself.
Yeah, it is good indeed to hear peter is still with us. I have ordered my spark gap tubes and it would be great to get his input. Even though i have ordered my spark gap i will probably start with the analogue version as it requires no sawing of wood.
Yeah i agree with you about making the pressure consistantly reliable, and that experimenting with the phenomenon is most likely going to create a gray tube reproduciton.

[baroutologos]

I was investigating for the second time BorderLand's video, Longitudinal vs Trasverse waves and put me in serious thinking.
I must say, i am a fond of Eric Dollard because he illustrates very well what he claims and has a modest attidute.

Anyway, i was owed that he demonstrated in the coaxial cable that transverse wave run in it at 80% lightspeed, whereas the longitudinal waves of a Tesla coil, run at 120% (in this setup) of lightspeed.

NOTE: He made a clear destinction, as Proffesor Konstantin Meyl has shown, that a simple Tesla coil has two resonance points. One of lower frequency and moderate electrostatic results that correspond to transverse waves resonance, and one higher frequency of intense electrostatic results that correspond to longitudinal waves resonance. I did not even knew that...

...
Furthermore he created two setups that promote the propagation of the one type of wave and eliminate the other so as to study them effectively.
The first setup has a series of inductors shunt by capacitors, thus as Eric claims, tranverse EM waves dominate and proves by experiement that at resonance, that circuit manifests a falling inductor activity and a electrostatic field, whereas as he claims electrostatic's field performance by means of operating FL lamps or even at touch is poor.

On the other hand, by reversing the setup, series capacitors shunted by inductors, the transverse wave is eliminated and the longitudinal magneto-electric one prevails.

The overal magnetic effect of coils and electrostatic effect of capacitors is being instensified as far the circuit furthers the oscillating source, and FL lamps can be operated at same claimed power.

Nevertheless, not intenting at repeating the methodology, easily one by viewing this carefully, understands that a simple Tesla coil, must (as shown) propagate two types of waves. One longitudinal propagated along its axis, being the series capacitors the intercapacitance between windings, and shunt inductors the wire.
An on the other hand the transverse wave propagated horizontally along Tesla coil's surface, being the wire the series inductors and shunt capacitors the intercapacitance between windings.

Furthermore, in case it has any value, as Tesla pointed out that in order in a TC setup to almost eliminate the transverse or "Hertzian waves" as he used to call them, he used low frequencies as 20Kz or lower. We know that the amount of losses due to Hertzian waves mount with frquency. So the less the frequency, the better for the longitudinal wave?

Baroutologos

ps: I was also thinking the ideal method for propagating trasnverse waves, must be the Biffilar series wound coil. It surelly has the series inductunce offered by the windings, and the shunt capacitance the intercapacitance between windings. So at the point the two windings join, the electrostatic field must be intense, but nowhere in comparison to a tesla coil.

[morpher44]

large inductance -- going low

Furthermore, in case it has any value, as Tesla pointed out that in order in a TC setup to almost eliminate the transverse or "Hertzian waves" as he used to call them, he used low frequencies as 20Kz or lower. We know that the amount of losses due to Hertzian waves mount with frquency. So the less the frequency, the better for the longitudinal wave?

I'm with you on this. And ... the challenge is to actually
make LARGE inductance with low resistance and high Q.
Its physically difficult to do -- hence people don't experiment
with it very much.
Earth's lightning is in the range 100khz to 200khz.
The Earth's field NMR is 2khz or so.
There are harmonics from the Schumann frequencies ...
7.83, 14.3, 20.8, 27.3 and 33.8 Hz.
People who try to make Schumann frequency detectors
find this quite technologically challenging with regards
to the coils. Not an easy task.

How low can you go?

[rave154]

Sputins, cant wait to see what youve got there

[baroutologos]

Edit:

I made some experimentation to consolidate tesla coil operation. I am again pondering regarding the longitudinal wave.

Above i made the assumption that the longitudinal wave propagates vertically between the interwinding capacitance. If this is the case, in order to achieve the top has to travel considerably lesser length than if following the turns around.

Obviously if this is so, the calculations regarding its speed should be wrong too. Especially complex things gonna get if the longitudinal wave and the transverse wave in a Tesla coil, interact between them so as to make "scallar" voltage nodes, that neither transverse nor longitudinal will have alone there..

In any way, Eric in the video says that the longitudinal waves goes spiraling ?? along the Tesla coil in a super light speed.

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bottom line a Eric shows, a Tesla coil has two fundamental resonant frequencies. One lower and weaker and one higher and stronger. the frequencies ratio of them is equal 1 / 1.5

Baroutologos

[morpher44]

Pi/2

bottom line a Eric shows, a Tesla coil has two fundamental resonant frequencies. One lower and weaker and one higher and stronger. the frequencies ratio of them is equal 1 / 1.5
Baroutologos

I don't think it was 1.5. I recall PI/2.

In one of Tesla's patents, he discusses measuring the round-trip
time of pinging the earth.
If the wave went AROUND the circumference and came back,
yes it would appear as if the wave was traveling faster than
the speed of light.
However, if the wave went directly through the earth and back ...
I think you end up with speed-of-light.

Or, in terms of a signal going around-or-thru a sphere,
can it do BOTH? If yes, there is a component going
faster than light.

[baroutologos]

When i say 1.5 i am not that punctual!
ok p * 1/2 equals 1.5 and something . Yes, you are right about that.

By the way, as Eric showed then, a specific frequency that coresponds to a 1/4 of wavelenth (voltage node for any reason) that is longer that of anticipated by calculating it with lightspeed (hence faster) leads to some coclusions.

Baroutologos

[boguslaw]

Longitudinal wave is natural electric field flow across conductor or any solid material. When it encounters a barrier it converts into EM radiation.
It's like a wind meeting a forest.Wind flow is longitudinal while tree are tossed in transverse oscillation.
Radiant is when longitudinal wave meet air and if it's of slow frequency then air react mechanically.
When longitudinal wave meet electrons in wire it shake them exactly like air in longitudinal oscillation or like tree in forest depending of wire orientation against wind.

Longitudinal electric wave is natural phenomena, is telluric current,is St Elmos fire, is radio wave. I think that could be at least two kinds of those if not more - one is simple undulating longitudinal wave, a kind of high frequency "AC" just longitudinal , when electric field compression is undulating forth and back while propagating forward.The second kind is uni-directional, like "DC" - electric field compression just propagate forward, never rush backward .

[phi1.62]

Dollard's Oscillating Current Transformer

I've owned a copy of Eric Dollard's "Theory of Wireless Power", for quite some time but only recently did I reread it as I was interested in making a Tesla Coil/Transformer based upon his work as there seems to be no one but Eric who has made Coils in such a manner.

Eric's Coils are wound onto a number of rods rather than a solid former with spaces between turns, this minimises the capacitance of the coil. Eric suggests that the ratio between the coil length and coil diameter should be no greater than 1.0.

There are some issues I have with the formula in Eric's article "The Oscillating Current Transformer", which was included in the book "Theory of Wireless Power", which I wanted to clarify. I've uploaded the article as there may be someone who has not yet read it but may still be assist me:

Eric Dollard - The Oscillating Current Transformer

If one chooses to build a coil with a height to diameter ratio of 1.0 then based upon the values in Table 1 and 2 p would be 0.46 and the luminal velocity would be 1.87 times the speed of light. One can then use this information to determine, through trial and error, the inductance of the oscillating coil using Equations 2, 4, and 5. Equation 5 is defined as Units per Second. Trying different units, such as inches, meters, etc, I find that Kilometers per Second seem to provide a value of inductance that would seem to be reasonable as Inches per Second will provide an extermely low value. My question is is this value taken as the value of inductance for the coil in terms of luminal velocity specified in Table 2? If this is the case I've calculated that the ideal value of inductance cannot be reached until the coil is about 28 inches/ 70 cm high and wide when you factor in space left between turns. This value for a coil would be beyond the power supply capabilities of most coilers. What would happen if a coil wasn't wound in terms of the luminal velocity in Table 2 and a lower value for inductance was chosen? Should the value of the oscillating coil be L0 or L?

My other question is when you use the characteristics impedance, Equation 9, to work out the sheet impedance using Equation 10 the value found for sheet impedance doesn't match the value for sheet impedance calculated in Equation 11, nor does the value calculated for sheet impedance calculated in Equation 11 seem to match the values given in Table 3, why is that the case? You will notice part of the text in Table 3 is cut off, this is the way it was printed in the book I received. I believe it should be 10 to the power of 3 but it could be a different value, hence my confusion with equations 9, 10 and 11.

If anyone can help me out I would appreciate it. If anyone has made Tesla Coils based upon Eric's work I would also like to hear your response.

[Armagdn03]

cant see your scribd doc.

[Spokane1]

Dollard-Lindemann-Browne Experiment Reproductions

Gentlemen,

I have studied the technology of E.V. Gray (at a snails pace) for about 12 years. From the crumbs of technical evidence remaining it appears that what was being done in the 1989 video experiments is very similiar to what Gray's team was doing. Basically there were charging a capacitor with a Tesla oscillator like device, however the anologes go even further.

The 1B22 spark tube used (2 each were used) by Mr. Dollard functions in a limited range as a diode. This is because one electrode in this tube is doped with a small amount of a radioactive substance that favors ionization in one direction.

This combination of a high voltage source driving a diode that is connected to a one-or two turn primary is one of the few disclosed technical features of the lost Gray technology. The other isssue is that Gray disclosed that "his" equipment generated a novel form of electicity that had unique properties. In the Dollard demonstration the charging of a small door knob at a distance from the streamers generated in a appliance lamp certainly hints at something novel. What kind of wave or particle can escape from a glass envelop, cross a short air space, and still have enough energy to charge a capacitor with enough DC to flash a NE-2 lamp witin in a few seconds? Especially with an "antenna" surface area that is less than 1/8" in diameter? It could be something classical but I have my doubts. The only solution is to reproduce this experiment and study the phenomena in detail.

Collecting the equipment is the present starting point.

The 1920 Fischer Diathermy machine (a four gap Model A unit) has been acquired. This will act as the High Voltage source. It has been proposed that the anomalous particles are actually generated in this Tesla device and are only concentrated and filtered by the rest of the apparatus. This concept will be tested. Hopefully a solution will be found where more common transformers can be used, like automotive ignition coils or NST's.

The 1B22 spark tubes are somewhat rare but have been found on eBay between $36 and $76. There is a store on the internet called TubeDepot that offers them for $20 each. Since I haven't received the pair I ordered yet, I can't comment on their quality.

The #16 awg silver coated Teflon wire is available on eBay for $25 / 100'. Note: Peter Lindemann maintains that coax was not used as Mr. Dollard claims. It was a standard stranded conductor configuration. You will need 100' for each secondary to be wound. I maintain that the dielectric is VERY important. For now, don't use PVC, XCPVC, THNN, or any of the other common modern insulations. If you can't get Teflon then consider cotton insulation impregnated with paraffin - which I have not tested.

The "Loading Coil" was not disclosed in the video. It is shown as a 6 turn inductor about 4" x 8", but that was only part of this two port passive terminal component. Peter doesn't know what it is either. Apparently Eric had to come up with a "fix" on short notice to get this low power demonstration device to work. Peter claims tht it was heavy - suggesting a large iron core inductor, most likely a higher voltage device. The secondary of an ignition coil fits the observed form factor- but this will have to be tested.

The part that is proving to be difficult is the NE-34 7 watt neon lamp. So far none have shown up on eBay for the last month. A simple Goggle search has not yielded a vendor. A replacement model R2-1 has been suggested, but it is very unlike the original. This replacement appears to be a collection of standard NE-2 lamps wired in parallel. So far I have explored 13 Antique stores and 2 Marine 2nd hand stores with no results.

Peter suggested that we start a thread on this subject. I don't really want to do that until I have some observable results to report. With the conference coming up I won't have the time to advance this project very far until mid July.

I just wanted you people to know that I'm taking this experiment seriously and hope to report actual experimental results later this summer.


Spokane1

[Sputins]

Reply to Spokane1

Gentlemen,

I have studied the technology of E.V. Gray (at a snails pace) for about 12 years. From the crumbs of technical evidence remaining it appears that what was being done in the 1989 video experiments is very similiar to what Gray's team was doing. Basically there were charging a capacitor with a Tesla oscillator like device, however the anologes go even further.

The 1B22 spark tube used (2 each were used) by Mr. Dollard functions in a limited range as a diode. This is because one electrode in this tube is doped with a small amount of a radioactive substance that favors ionization in one direction.

This combination of a high voltage source driving a diode that is connected to a one-or two turn primary is one of the few disclosed technical features of the lost Gray technology. The other isssue is that Gray disclosed that "his" equipment generated a novel form of electicity that had unique properties. In the Dollard demonstration the charging of a small door knob at a distance from the streamers generated in a appliance lamp certainly hints at something novel. What kind of wave or particle can escape from a glass envelop, cross a short air space, and still have enough energy to charge a capacitor with enough DC to flash a NE-2 lamp witin in a few seconds? Especially with an "antenna" surface area that is less than 1/8" in diameter? It could be something classical but I have my doubts. The only solution is to reproduce this experiment and study the phenomena in detail.

Collecting the equipment is the present starting point.

The 1920 Fischer Diathermy machine (a four gap Model A unit) has been acquired. This will act as the High Voltage source. It has been proposed that the anomalous particles are actually generated in this Tesla device and are only concentrated and filtered by the rest of the apparatus. This concept will be tested. Hopefully a solution will be found where more common transformers can be used, like automotive ignition coils or NST's.

The 1B22 spark tubes are somewhat rare but have been found on eBay between $36 and $76. There is a store on the internet called TubeDepot that offers them for $20 each. Since I haven't received the pair I ordered yet, I can't comment on their quality.

The #16 awg silver coated Teflon wire is available on eBay for $25 / 100'. Note: Peter Lindemann maintains that coax was not used as Mr. Dollard claims. It was a standard stranded conductor configuration. You will need 100' for each secondary to be wound. I maintain that the dielectric is VERY important. For now, don't use PVC, XCPVC, THNN, or any of the other common modern insulations. If you can't get Teflon then consider cotton insulation impregnated with paraffin - which I have not tested.

The "Loading Coil" was not disclosed in the video. It is shown as a 6 turn inductor about 4" x 8", but that was only part of this two port passive terminal component. Peter doesn't know what it is either. Apparently Eric had to come up with a "fix" on short notice to get this low power demonstration device to work. Peter claims tht it was heavy - suggesting a large iron core inductor, most likely a higher voltage device. The secondary of an ignition coil fits the observed form factor- but this will have to be tested.

The part that is proving to be difficult is the NE-34 7 watt neon lamp. So far none have shown up on eBay for the last month. A simple Goggle search has not yielded a vendor. A replacement model R2-1 has been suggested, but it is very unlike the original. This replacement appears to be a collection of standard NE-2 lamps wired in parallel. So far I have explored 13 Antique stores and 2 Marine 2nd hand stores with no results.

Peter suggested that we start a thread on this subject. I don't really want to do that until I have some observable results to report. With the conference coming up I won't have the time to advance this project very far until mid July.

I just wanted you people to know that I'm taking this experiment seriously and hope to report actual experimental results later this summer.


Spokane1

Wow, reading my own posts above from 2009 feels a bit strange. I was very enthusiastic over Eric Dollard back then. Now years later, 2012 here he is right here on the forum, providing some of the best information on electrical science and Tesla that has ever been presented anywhere. – My enthusiasm justified.

Spokane1 – Good luck with your replication & thanks for the information you provided, I did not know the 1b22 acted a little like a diode, but it makes sense. Yes getting the equipment and parts can be difficult, both hard to find and $$. – You are doing well!

This “channel” is probably obsolete now. - However as you have no doubt seen the “Eric Dollard” thread now exists. Here you will find many technical details on the Tesla Crystal Set Initiative, the T.M.T. the C.I.G. and much more – all from the man himself (and assistants).

A “balanced” TMT or the Cosmic Induction Generator, for “plasma work” is probably the direction to go, as there isn’t so much “transmission” going on. (Transmission in a localized zone, balanced, cancels out etc). So as time goes by there may be further information and replications on the balanced TMT, where some of the novel applications & effects might be seen. - I myself have partly constructed devices which when further along I may show. Due to personal reasons progress is slow at the moment.

(Thread title) - It is sad about the falling out with Peter and Tom Brown, so be it though. - At least Tom Brown showed some encouragement and support for Eric at one point sent some $. - I think Tom’s real intention was to try and heal or repair the damage but to no avail. Peter on the other hand has been “very quiet” to put it politely (perhaps a wise choice)? – Anyway all of that is none of our business really and only inflames the situation. – Forgiveness is all that can prevail there now I think.

While Eric called it “prostitution”, which is a little harsh, but it’s probably how he feels sometimes, which is understandable. I would still encourage donation of funds to this man; for those who realise or know just how much he is really worth..

[t-rex]

Misspelled thread title?

Gentlemen,


The 1B22 spark tube used (2 each were used) by Mr. Dollard functions in a limited range as a diode. This is because one electrode in this tube is doped with a small amount of a radioactive substance that favors ionization in one direction.

This combination of a high voltage source driving a diode that is connected to a one-or two turn primary is one of the few disclosed technical features of the lost Gray technology. The other isssue is that Gray disclosed that "his" equipment generated a novel form of electicity that had unique properties. In the Dollard demonstration the charging of a small door knob at a distance from the streamers generated in a appliance lamp certainly hints at something novel. What kind of wave or particle can escape from a glass envelop, cross a short air space, and still have enough energy to charge a capacitor with enough DC to flash a NE-2 lamp witin in a few seconds? Especially with an "antenna" surface area that is less than 1/8" in diameter? It could be something classical but I have my doubts. The only solution is to reproduce this experiment and study the phenomena in detail.

Collecting the equipment is the present starting point.

The 1920 Fischer Diathermy machine (a four gap Model A unit) has been acquired. This will act as the High Voltage source. It has been proposed that the anomalous particles are actually generated in this Tesla device and are only concentrated and filtered by the rest of the apparatus. This concept will be tested. Hopefully a solution will be found where more common transformers can be used, like automotive ignition coils or NST's.

The 1B22 spark tubes are somewhat rare but have been found on eBay between $36 and $76. There is a store on the internet called TubeDepot that offers them for $20 each. Since I haven't received the pair I ordered yet, I can't comment on their quality.

Note: Peter Lindemann maintains that coax was not used as Mr. Dollard claims. It was a standard stranded conductor configuration.

The "Loading Coil" was not disclosed in the video. It is shown as a 6 turn inductor about 4" x 8", but that was only part of this two port passive terminal component. Peter doesn't know what it is either. Apparently Eric had to come up with a "fix" on short notice to get this low power demonstration device to work. Peter claims tht it was heavy - suggesting a large iron core inductor, most likely a higher voltage device. The secondary of an ignition coil fits the observed form factor- but this will have to be tested.

The part that is proving to be difficult is the NE-34 7 watt neon lamp. So far none have shown up on eBay for the last month. A simple Goggle search has not yielded a vendor. A replacement model R2-1 has been suggested, but it is very unlike the original. This replacement appears to be a collection of standard NE-2 lamps wired in parallel. So far I have explored 13 Antique stores and 2 Marine 2nd hand stores with no results.

Peter suggested that we start a thread on this subject. I don't really want to do that until I have some observable results to report. With the conference coming up I won't have the time to advance this project very far until mid July.

I just wanted you people to know that I'm taking this experiment seriously and hope to report actual experimental results later this summer.


Spokane1

It is coax in the flat spiral coil, not stranded wire. I should know, I built it! I even said it was coax in the video. The actual builders of the equipment were Donald Lockwood and Michael Knotts, as designed by me, starting at the Integratron. Peter Lindemann and Tom Brown were not involved in construction of these devices, only in making them known to the public.

The loading coil was to bring the two transformers into resonance. It obviously has no iron core. These are radio frequencies not power frequencies.

I don't know where to find a NE-34 7 watt lamp. How do you expect to find a bulb when I live in the bushes?

I used the 1B22's in the configuration shown in the video to produce strong transients to get the radiant matter effects. In general two tubes are used in tandem on a Guillemen line to create a constant power pulse. The hydrogen thyratron has obsoleted this. Burning up 1B22's (which needless to say they do not make anymore) for another worthless Grey tube replication is indeed counterproductive. Who's garbage can are you going to throw your nuclear waste into when the tube is no fun anymore? Well?

It seems to me that this thread seems to be leading people astray. It would be best to talk about all this in the Eric Dollard thread. I am only going to take Babylon so far.

73 DE N6KPH