can an electric motor run a generator to power itself?

[Guruji]

Motor

Hi Guruji, Now that I think about it they are both AC devices anyway so I suppose batteries would make no sense anyway. Seems like that would be a lot of capacitors too. So I dunno what it could be. It just looks funny, must be the modification or part of it. Hmm I have vacuum a cleaner motor I think it's a 2000 Watt one not sure of RPM though. I should try something I guess, it is interesting for sure.

Do you think a vacuum motor is OK ? I'll see if I can tell what kind of coils are in it.

Cheers

Hi Farmhand regarding the vacuum motor don't know you should try it.
I think a slow motor would be better cause it have to turn a bit faster than it's original speed to generate.

[Farmhand]

Yes I see, you're right it and has brushes too. Oh well.

Thanks

[redeagle]

Maybe dubious that Motor Generator, The big question is what is in the long yellow package under the bench, seems suspicious to me. I mentioned the yellow box a while ago when this video was posted. To me it seems like it could be a string of small gell cell batteries. It's noisy too.



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Maybe somebody could ask them what it is and why it is there.

Cheers

Looks like a 2x4 to me if that's the case it holds the table together.

[Farmhand]

I think you are right redeagle, I must be a skeptic , shame on me. It does look like a piece of timber now, the way it looked yellow threw me. It could be there for extra support for the generator too.

I might make some enquiries about getting the plans.

Does anyone know of anyone that has them and if they are happy. I have no problem making a donation if it is legit.

I'll do some searching. WITTS ministries.

[irishman]

this witts ministries makes me nervous. can't find any form of reviews on them or anyone that has donated. there was one guy talking about one of there inventions and whitts lawyer was actually posting in the forum to shut the guy up! less religious -----more business i would think! $ $ $

[Slovenia]

Money

All these projects cost money and time in one form or another. I've spent thousands of dollars and ordered a lot of plans that didn't work too. When you are a serious alternate fuel enthusiast, you just have to put in the time and money. If you're lucky, the inventor might share the secret to making the device work. If not, you had some fun anyway and probably learned some good things.

If a nominal donation is required it might be worth it for the plans. Someone on Energetic probably has the plans already too.

I think a lot of the devices out there do work but important details are left out for good reasons. Nobody wants anyone to have a free lunch and nobody wants to die.

[Farmhand]

Hi Slovenia, Hypothetically If they promote something as OU and that can run itself. Then
they leave something out purposly so it doesn't would be a kind of fraud in my opinion. One way around
that could be to get a "donation" from a person then "donate" the plans to
that person as two acts of charity one each way, no come backs.

However a problem arises when they ask for a donation of a certain "size"
and explecitly say that this will cause them to give you plans for something,
overunity or not. That would look like thinly veiled transaction to avoid any
comebacks from the "donator" and to avoid tax as well possibly.

I'm not saying that is what is happening, I can't say that because I don't
know. In the hypothetical case above there is potentially two counts of fraud.

If the donation has to be a certain size that would be a clincher for me to forget about it.

Also independant engineers are a dime a dozen. Quite a few of the
testamonials were fimed in the same location by the looks of it.

It's difficult to ask for you're money back when you made a donation.
Who knows, but I don't have the money to waste to find out that it is bogus.
Or the time to waste.

Cheers

[Slovenia]

Wasted Money

I've wasted a lot of money up to now looking for the golden grail so to speak with respect to a working free energy devices. Nobody wants to give out a free lunch, so I've paid a lot. Most of it was wasted money. The Russian Ilya Stavinsky seems to know a lot about this Chas Campbell device. He has a website with contact information. He's a very bright fellow and may be willing to help someone. He says this device works.

[irishman]

So, it would seem a lot of us are willing to put out the money if we end up with a positive result but that many of us have paid more than we should of for disappointing results. Anyone interested in pulling resources to purchase the info at a fraction of the cost? Smaller overall investment in case we hit another brick wall. Just throwing it out there....

[mbrownn]

If you look hard enough you can find most if not all of this stuff free on the net. Materials is another story. I am looking for a cheap 12v DC motor with high inductance and low resistance. Motors used to be made this way at the early part of the century.

[Slovenia]

Patrick Kelly Provided info on this in Chap 4 of his book

Practical Guide for Free Energy Devices
Patrick Kelly provides info on the Chas Campbell device as well as other similar devices in chapter 4 of his book.

http://www.free-energy-info.com/Chapter4.pdf

Earlier I did a search for Chas Campbell at the site and nothing came up so I assumed there was no mention of Chas Campbell and I assumed wrong. Sorry about that!!

[boguslaw]

All is in patents.Old patents. But nothing is explained very well, because understanding changed over decades and because inventors didn't knew how it worked for them.
I would not experiment with generator and motor couple but rather switch over to better design which is for example Alexander motor-generator.

Freeenergyinventions

The problem with all those is , you have to have a lot of mechanical tools and skills to create working model.

[mbrownn]

If a motor and generator were 100% efficient you could put them in a loop to power themselves but what use is that? none. Motors and generators have losses so the normal argument is they cannot power themselves but there are more things going on in a motor and generator than we usually consider. It is possible to recover energy from pulsed coils so it makes sense to pulse the coils and recover the energy. If a motor has 30% losses you will not be able to recover those losses as they will have been lost but 70% can be recovered in theory. If we put that 70% back at the source, we can run the motor at full power with only 30% being put in by us. None of this breaks any laws of physics.

What causes losses in a motor or generator, many things but two of the biggest causes are friction and resistance. The reason we build in a lot of friction and resistance into motors and generators is because low resistance units are Bigger and more expensive and people always want cheap. Resistance is the enemy of energy recovery as it drains the energy we can recover away. In a mechanical device it is friction that is the enemy.

Now we can have a thought experiment.

If we have a 1hp motor at 70% efficiency we will get 0.7hp output. If that 0.7hp is used to power a generator of 70% efficient we have 0.49hp to power our motor so we need an input of 0.51hp. At the same time as this is happening we fit a regenerative circuit on our motor and recover 70% of the 70% efficiency and feed it back to the source, this is another 0.49hp so we now only need 0.02hp to power our system. These are all real figures from real motors and generators only we are not pulsing them.

If we get a high efficiency 1hp motor we get an output of 0.85hp output. If that 0.85hp is used to power a generator of 70% efficient we have 0.595hp to power our motor so we need an input of 0.405hp. At the same time as this is happening we fit a regenerative circuit on our motor and recover 70% of the 85% efficiency and feed it back to the source, this is another 0.595hp so we now have 1.19hp for an input of 1hp. These are all real figures from real motors and generators only we are not pulsing them. so all we have to do is put it together.

OK that is going to be a big motor/generator to produce only 0.19hp or 140 watts of usable power. But all these efficiencies could be improved if they were designed that way. Bedini pulse circuits commonly recover energy at a rate in excess of 90% while running a 27% efficient motor.

Why hasn't it been done? Pulse motors are not readily available, are expensive and efficiencies are kept below 70% by design.

[Slovenia]

Great Stuff mbrownn

Thanks for sharing that mbrownn. Great Stuff!!

[irishman]

great info mbrownn!

so do you feel that witts either has put alot of cash into this? they said it was a small modifacation to a regular generator. this sounds hard to believe after reading your post!