Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter "Replications"

[lamare]

Condensed Intro to Tesla Coils and Theory of Wireless Power deal with the magnifying transmitter directly so perhaps you should check them out. Great work so far Farmhand keep it up

Raui

I am digitizing the Theory of Wireless Power:
Tuks DrippingPedia : Theory Of Wireless Power

Much easier to read than the scanned pdf

I'm about 75% trough, I guess. The hard part is the written part. I have to do this by hand....

I also added some notes to other references, like the Corum's, etc.

The part on the Oscillating Current Transformer is finished and is also accessable at a separate page:
Tuks DrippingPedia : The Oscillating Current Transformer

Oh, and should you note some typing errors or otherwise want to help a hand: the password is the name of this forum, without "forum" and then a 3 for the second e. The password is not there to prevent you guys from editing the wiki, but to prevent spammers from messing things up.....

[Farmhand]

dragon

Great theory! I have almost identical.
Look what Tesla said :

"I will be quite explicit on the subject of my magnifying transformer so that it will be clearly understood. In the first place, it is a resonant transformer, with a secondary in which the parts, charged to a high potential, are of considerable area and arranged in space along ideal enveloping surfaces of very large radii of curvature, and at proper distances from one another, thereby insuring a small electric surface density everywhere, so that no leak can occur even if the conductor is bare. It is suitable for any frequency, from a few to many thousands of cycles per second, and can be used in the production of currents of tremendous volume and moderate pressure, or of smaller amperage and immense electromotive force. The maximum electric tension is merely dependent on the curvature of the surfaces on which the charged elements are situated and the area of the latter. Judging from my past experience there is no limit to the possible voltage developed; any amount is practicable. On the other hand, currents of many thousands of amperes may be obtained in the antenna. A plant of but very moderate dimensions is required for such performances. Theoretically, a terminal of less than 90 feet in diameter is sufficient to develop an electromotive force of that magnitude, while for antenna currents of from 2,000-4,000 amperes at the usual frequencies, it need not be larger than 30 feet in diameter. In a more restricted meaning, this wireless transmitter is one in which the Hertzwave radiation is an entirely negligible quantity as compared with the whole energy, under which condition the damping factor is extremely small and an enormous charge is stored in the elevated capacity. Such a circuit may then be excited with impulses of any kind, even of low frequency and it will yield sinusoidal and continuous oscillations like those of an alternator. Taken in the narrowest significance of the term, however, it is a resonant transformer which, besides possessing these qualities, is accurately proportioned to fit the globe and its electrical constants and properties, by virtue of which design it becomes highly efficient and effective in the wireless transmission of energy. Distance is then absolutely eliminated, there being no diminuation in the intensity of the transmitted impulses. It is even possible to make the actions increase with the distance from the plane, according to an exact mathematical law."

Yes that's exactly right, only in a more restricted sense he says the Hertzwave radiation is reduced to neglegable, and only in the narrowest significance of the term is it proportioned to fit the globe.

I've build a model sized one. or pair.

[boguslaw]

dragon

Great theory! I have almost identical.
Look what Tesla said :

"I will be quite explicit on the subject of my magnifying transformer so that it will be clearly understood. In the first place, it is a resonant transformer, with a secondary in which the parts, charged to a high potential, are of considerable area and arranged in space along ideal enveloping surfaces of very large radii of curvature, and at proper distances from one another, thereby insuring a small electric surface density everywhere, so that no leak can occur even if the conductor is bare. It is suitable for any frequency, from a few to many thousands of cycles per second, and can be used in the production of currents of tremendous volume and moderate pressure, or of smaller amperage and immense electromotive force. The maximum electric tension is merely dependent on the curvature of the surfaces on which the charged elements are situated and the area of the latter. Judging from my past experience there is no limit to the possible voltage developed; any amount is practicable. On the other hand, currents of many thousands of amperes may be obtained in the antenna. A plant of but very moderate dimensions is required for such performances. Theoretically, a terminal of less than 90 feet in diameter is sufficient to develop an electromotive force of that magnitude, while for antenna currents of from 2,000-4,000 amperes at the usual frequencies, it need not be larger than 30 feet in diameter. In a more restricted meaning, this wireless transmitter is one in which the Hertzwave radiation is an entirely negligible quantity as compared with the whole energy, under which condition the damping factor is extremely small and an enormous charge is stored in the elevated capacity. Such a circuit may then be excited with impulses of any kind, even of low frequency and it will yield sinusoidal and continuous oscillations like those of an alternator. Taken in the narrowest significance of the term, however, it is a resonant transformer which, besides possessing these qualities, is accurately proportioned to fit the globe and its electrical constants and properties, by virtue of which design it becomes highly efficient and effective in the wireless transmission of energy. Distance is then absolutely eliminated, there being no diminuation in the intensity of the transmitted impulses. It is even possible to make the actions increase with the distance from the plane, according to an exact mathematical law."

[Farmhand]

Hi all a couple of snippets for intrest sake.

From this source- Nikola Tesla on his work with ... - Google Books

Here he explains the "Blow" replacing the arc.

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=32a91e5c9dcce17f&sc=photos#!/?cid=32a91e5c9dcce17f&sc=photos&uc=3&id=32A91E5C9DCCE17F%211256!cid=32A91E5C9DCCE17F&id=32A91E5C9DCCE17F%211275&sc=photos

Here he says you can give off electromagnetic waves if you want to, then he go's on to say how silly that would be if you wanted to recover the energy.

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=32a91e5c9dcce17f&sc=photos#!/?cid=32a91e5c9dcce17f&sc=photos&uc=3&id=32A91E5C9DCCE17F%211256!cid=32A91E5C9DCCE17F&id=32A91E5C9DCCE17F%211274&sc=photos

And here he talks about how we should design the machine to suit the work. Makes sense.

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=32a91e5c9dcce17f&sc=photos#!/?cid=32a91e5c9dcce17f&sc=photos&uc=3&id=32A91E5C9DCCE17F%211256!cid=32A91E5C9DCCE17F&id=32A91E5C9DCCE17F%211273&sc=photos

That document of Eric Dollards is rather technical. And I think maybe a bit over the top, which is ok if thats how you want it. He says things like the primary should be only one turn amongst other things, which I think are debatable and relative to an overall design he had in mind.

I cannot believe that Magnifying Transmitters cannot be built to work with more than one primary turn, he is talking of absolute theoretical optimums.

Real life is different and absolute theoretical optimums may not be practical. I think he even mentions something like that in there, amongst all the numbers and letters that are not words.

I won't say he is wrong but it seems like theory, I still have not seen a large magnifying transmitter, ground connected, transmitting energy over a distance and received by another coil and converted to DC or AC usable 50 60 hz.

Has anybody seen that ?

Seems the whole picture should end wih a device running from the receiver from converted DC or from 110v or 220v AC 50 / 60 hz.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

OK thanks very much Raui, I just got that from lamare's archive and i'll study it directly. Seems like a very good document to start with.

Thank you too lamare.

[Raui]

Yes I have studied some of Erics work, but I have never seen him demonstrate a Magnifying Transmitter.

I was wondering if somebody could point me to some information on it ?

A video or paper or photo's anything ? Peter or anybody.

I'm very interested. I'll check lamare's page again. I'm not all that internet savvy so I may have missed it.

Thanks

Condensed Intro to Tesla Coils and Theory of Wireless Power deal with the magnifying transmitter directly so perhaps you should check them out. Great work so far Farmhand keep it up

Raui

[Farmhand]

Farmhand,

If you really want to replicate Tesla's work, you should study the work of ERIC DOLLARD, who is the only person in the last 30 years to have built a Magnifying Transmitter. In my opinion, all the work of J.L. Naudin and Konstantin Meyl is unrelated to what Tesla was doing.

Peter

Yes I have studied some of Erics work, but I have never seen him demonstrate a Magnifying Transmitter.

I was wondering if somebody could point me to some information on it ?

A video or paper or photo's anything ? Peter or anybody.

I'm very interested. I'll check lamare's page again. I'm not all that internet savvy so I may have missed it.

Thanks

[Farmhand]

One key thing I have noticed is that with the receiver connected through the bottom termials of the tall coils, secondary - primary, connected with a heavy copper lead and the receiver over 5 meters away or more, the system is much more powerfull and usefull than if i were to use only a single coil. Possibly because of the low power situation mainly.

To me this indicates that energy is transmitted to the receiver and back to the transmitter and that both coils work in harmony exchanging energy as well or maybe better than a single one connected to the ground.

Starting tomorrow i'll be doing some experiments. I'll try as hard as i can to be scientific about it with recording and documenting, but I am not all that scientific in the traditional sense and calculations baffle me. But I'll try.

Thanks Dragon for the input, I always appreciate constructive input.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

This is simply my own theory - understanding - of what tesla was attempting. If there is an addition of energy by connecting to the natural media between the transmitter and receiver then that is simply a bonus.

Yes that may be true, but for the Magnifying Transmitter to work one terminal must be elevated, it is beyond belief that a tower could be built 150 feet high with a metal terminal on top and still have Zero volts with reference to the ground. We all know the terminal would be already charged to some potential just by being there. This is immediate stored potential constantly, it would make the top terminal easier to charge to 10 000 volts if it were already at 3000 volts.

In my opinion a large Magnifying Transmitter would also be a atmospheric electrical energy collector and a sink for Aether energy directly kind of like a pyramid.

There is every chance Tesla was inspired to the design of all his wireless systems by the Pyramids. Starting with the conical coils.

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=32a91e5c9dcce17f&sc=photos#cid=32A91E5C9DCCE17F&id=32A91E5C9DCCE17F%211164&sc=photos

While it would be very difficult, time consuming, and labour intensive to build a stone cone, but it would be relatively easy to build a stone pyramid which would have similar properties.

Lots of energy patterns in the shape of cones and two cones stuck together.
Supanova

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=32a91e5c9dcce17f&sc=photos#cid=32A91E5C9DCCE17F&id=32A91E5C9DCCE17F%21705&sc=photos

Lightning strike

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=32a91e5c9dcce17f&sc=photos#cid=32A91E5C9DCCE17F&id=32A91E5C9DCCE17F%21707&sc=photos

Energy pattern

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=32a91e5c9dcce17f&sc=photos#cid=32A91E5C9DCCE17F&id=32A91E5C9DCCE17F%21708&sc=photos

I really do think many people have a far too narrow field of view when looking at the works of a genius.

Everyone wants to make scientific sense without intuition.

Study, experiment, observation, realisation, enlightenment.

Study is but the first step.

Edit: I have realized that I have used incorrect terms in the paragraph below.
When I say CEMF I actually mean the Magnetic field of the charging inductor which is out of phase with the EMF and adds to it as more EMF by charging the primary capacitor between cycles, this allows greater current in the primary circuit. Collapsing magnetic field is EMF and cause it's own CEMF. My ignorance is at fault in the next paragraph. I won't remove it but I have corrected it. I think. Sorry.

It should read more like.

A Tesla coil with resonant charging circuit can take advantage of the stored energy in the magnetic field of the charging inductor to further increase the primary current.

Rather than.

"A Tesla Coil with a resonant charging circuit can take advantage of the CEMF as well as the EMF which should make them very efficient if not making lightning shows."

Tesla himself abandoned the spark gap and went to a system of switching which he described as almost shorting out his generator.

A spark gap is wastefull and should not be used in a Magnifying Transmitter.

Being that it would be very difficult for me to install a 50 ft Earth stake array here with a busted back. I may not get very good results from an actual ground , however i have idea's to overcome this problem and use the ground.

Time will tell. I won't be using a spark gap unless for fun.

All in all it is not really about free energy, because all energy is free if you don't pay for it, to me it is about using the energy I have in an efficient way,
it makes no difference if something is a bonus or not if it comes into play it should be considered to get a full picture of what is going on.

I don't claim to have a full picture, just that I won't be discounting anything on anybody elses say so. Unless of course they can prove what they say by demonstation, theory does not explain everything and never will. As far as I can tell anyway. But I do take notice of what people tell me and I don't automatically ignore what is told to me.

Cheers

[dragon]

What I take away from the magnifier project, an analogy...

If you lift a rubber ball to a height of 5ft and release it and assume it's 90% efficient it will bounce and regain 4.5 ft height, fall and regain 4ft, again 3.6ft and once again 3.2ft. At this point it has lifted itself 15 ft total and will continue to bounce a multitude of times after. Conservation, altering states of potential and kinetic energies.

Tesla, from what I've read, was striving for high inductance and low resistance in his secondary coils, also obsessed with removing capacitance from the coils. The primary on the other hand was just the opposite, ultra low inductance also very low resistance. If you incorporate the formula V(CL)^.5 this would express the current in the primary at the 1/4 cycle of firing through a spark gap discharging the cap into the coil. Thus the HV input requirement. If you used a superconductor you would only need to ring the bell once... I believe I read that tesla's longest ring was 3 years.

Think of it as a hammer striking a bell. You zap 1000's of amps into the primary ( hammer ) the bell rings for a given period of time ( secondary ) based on the resistance (dampening) and surroundings or load you place on it . The input would always be less than the actual "activity" created in the coil. Not over unity - it is conservative - working with the natural. Add a receiver that is tuned to that harmonic and it will naturally ring along. You can draw energy from the receiver in intervals that would be ( or seem to be ) in excess of it's original input allowing a "build up" between intervals (ring up).

This is simply my own theory - understanding - of what tesla was attempting. If there is an addition of energy by connecting to the natural media between the transmitter and receiver then that is simply a bonus.

[MonsieurM]

I know that VidBid posted this somewhere in another thread, but i think this document is more complete: NIKOLA TESLA SECRETS FOR EVERYBODY
by Vladimir Utkin

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00_Book_2_head (translate it)

http://www.energeticforum.com/100688-post380.html

[Farmhand]

In my opinion as I see it from reading the patent.

The main advancement Tesla made to the Magnifying Transmitter that make’s it different from the spiral arrangement is the Extra coil, the coil arrangements, the dimpled toroid to prevent power leaking and the wave guide metalic tube with hood for catching breakouts from the top of the coil “B’s” and conducting them up to the toroid as a tube conductor which is how the coil “B” operates in resonance the energy does not go around and around all the windings one by one it leaps accross windings in a steep helix and continues up the wave guide pipe. This is surely missed by most people, the wave guide is also a resonator in the vertical plane I think. Almost everything serves multiple purposes and most people seem to want to pin one purpose to everything and deny all else. If these changes are realised then it is a Magnifying Transmitter.

He also admitts his Magnifying Transmitter can be used for the propogation of electromagnetic wave's if one should so choose.

It is a system and it can be used different ways.

Without actually speaking with Nikola at length the full purpose and function of several things could be missunderstood or just missed by anybody.

It would have been a nightmare for Nikola to try to explain all the multiple purposes of everything without confusing people. And he probably didn't want to anyway.

Nikola makes several claims in the Patent document and they are all valid.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Farmhand,

I applaud your efforts to understand Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter, but the "equivalent circuit" you show, is NOT, in fact, what Tesla said about this invention. The magnifying transmitter produced a series of resonant, longitudinal PRESSURE WAVES through the EARTH. The following image is the analogy Tesla himself used to help people understand his invention.



The Magnifying Transmitter is like the Hand Pump in the upper right corner of the first image, and the receiving stations are like the Pressure Gauges all over the globe. Every time the pump is activated, all of the pressure gauges react instantly. When this is done rhythmically, in tune with the natural frequency of the system, energy is conveyed to all locations simultaneously.

This has nothing to do with the IONOSPHERE, or and earth-sky capacitance. These ideas have been spread widely for many years, but represent a complete misunderstanding of Tesla's methods. Read the caption below the image above. The method involved conveying a GROUND WAVE of electrical PRESSURE.

If you really want to replicate Tesla's work, you should study the work of ERIC DOLLARD, who is the only person in the last 30 years to have built a Magnifying Transmitter. In my opinion, all the work of J.L. Naudin and Konstantin Meyl is unrelated to what Tesla was doing.

Peter

Hi Peter, Thanks for the input it's very much appreciated.

I have a question.

If a large Magnifying Transmitter was struck by lightning, would the equivilent circuit come into play then ? In my opinion the Magnifying Transmitter can also harvest energy in this way from lightning and just from the potential. I think it is relevent because if a Large Magnifying Transmitter was built, just by it being there it would invoke the principals of the equivilent circuit I posted and collect energy, in my opinion.

Is the circuit I posted valid when not considering a Magnifying Transmitter as such ? Because if it is then as I see it it would come into play in some respect.

In my opinion this was one of the benifits of the system, it could also harvest atmospheric potential including lightning if the transmitter was built to withstand it and operate at very very high voltage.

Tesla would not like to have made this known as one of the benifits though for obvious reasons. It seems like extra energy could enter the system this way.

The more elevated the top terminal to start with the better the system will work to a degree. Which would indiate to me that the circuit i posted is relevent in some way, however not to do with the actual transmission I do admit. Although if a Radiant energy collector as an aluminium plate "P" can collect radiant energy and atmospheric potential, then so can a Magnifying Transmitter in my opinion.

Anyway I'll make a note to show that.

Thanks again for the input.

Cheers

[MonsieurM]

It may be true buti think that all have something to add, think of it this way:

In various versions of the tale, a group of blind men (or men in the dark) touch an elephant to learn what it is like. Each one feels a different part, but only one part, such as the side or the tusk. They then compare notes and learn that they are in complete disagreement.

The stories differ primarily in how the elephant's body parts are described, how violent the conflict becomes and how (or if) the conflict among the men and their perspectives is resolved.

So it is still worth exploring and learning from the other, Mr Dollards included

[Peter Lindemann]

Equivalent Circuit

Hello all,

Equivalent Circuit

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=32A91E5C9DCCE17F&id=32A91E5C9DCCE17F%211258&sc=photos

Farmhand,

I applaud your efforts to understand Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter, but the "equivalent circuit" you show, is NOT, in fact, what Tesla said about this invention. The magnifying transmitter produced a series of resonant, longitudinal PRESSURE WAVES through the EARTH. The following image is the analogy Tesla himself used to help people understand his invention.



The Magnifying Transmitter is like the Hand Pump in the upper right corner of the first image, and the receiving stations are like the Pressure Gauges all over the globe. Every time the pump is activated, all of the pressure gauges react instantly. When this is done rhythmically, in tune with the natural frequency of the system, energy is conveyed to all locations simultaneously.

This has nothing to do with the IONOSPHERE, or the earth-sky capacitance. These ideas have been spread widely for many years, but represent a complete misunderstanding of Tesla's methods. Read the captions accompanying the image above. The method involved conveying a GROUND WAVE of electrical PRESSURE.

If you really want to replicate Tesla's work, you should study the work of ERIC DOLLARD, who is the only person in the last 30 years to have built a Magnifying Transmitter. In my opinion, all the work of J.L. Naudin and Konstantin Meyl is unrelated to what Tesla was doing.

Peter