Growing Crystals, Piezoelectric Energy Harvesting

[Vickers]

I wonder what kind of micro scope id need to see the crystals formation? And how much that would call.

Need electron microscope. Most universities have one.

[Roland]

Keep at it Superman. Everything is explained in the first post. And it is accurate.
Here is a pic of what the crystals should look like. I think pic (a) is the ideal.
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I wonder what kind of micro scope id need to see the crystals formation? And how much that would call.

[Roland]

I didnt post it there because my activation email never showed up until yesterday and actually it was a manual activation so I posted all this here. I just realized today that I did not use a 36v transformer. I used the stock one. His response is that I am the creator what do I think. Doesn't that sound about right? I wish there was some real answers. I love experimenting and learning but I am not really sure of the end result or how to even achieve it. If I could get one thing to work I think I would feel better.

LOL, yeah i Know what you mean. You forgot "we are all equals"

Personally I wish i was less equal, then he might explain some of his details.

It was mentioned that you should not increase the voltage on these US foggers. I hope to find out a good way to increase the frequency ( 45 khz) of these Ultra Sonic foggers soon. ill let you know if i figure it out.

[Vickers]

Keep at it Superman. Everything is explained in the first post. And it is accurate.
Here is a pic of what the crystals should look like. I think pic (a) is the ideal.

[superman9976]

Oh and one more thing exactly? power... doesnt ever say how to exactly do anything. He just tip toes around it and drops a few clues here and there. I read through all the posts and developed a mental picture then set out to do it.

[superman9976]

I didnt post it there because my activation email never showed up until yesterday and actually it was a manual activation so I posted all this here. I just realized today that I did not use a 36v transformer. I used the stock one. His response is that I am the creator what do I think. Doesn't that sound about right? I wish there was some real answers. I love experimenting and learning but I am not really sure of the end result or how to even achieve it. If I could get one thing to work I think I would feel better.

[Roland]

I ended up with more than what I started with. I tried putting just the 30ml of dry powder just to see what it looks like in comparsion in the bottom of the mason jar. It seemed to barely cover the bottom and compared to what I ended up it was right up to the 100ml mark on the jar. They must have grown for me to have that much more.
I can't say its right or not though. I figured it should be. I tried out the transducers yesterday without the zinc to see output. If you put two inches of water over them it produces more output. Its definitely not flammable. Then I put the zinc in water soluble material and hung it over the transducer and didn't see any increase and tried putting the zinc directly into the water. Zinc in the water damped the effect. Output became minimal.
So I am at the point where I don't know what to do now. It would need to split the water to be flammable otherwise just the fog acts like increased octane in a motor and to cool the motor.
FRC if you look on overunity you don't need to be a member to see the photos and mine looked like theirs that's why I thought it must have worked.
Do you know if I was supposed to separate it immediately after cooling to let it dry out? I just left it in the jar until I was ready to use it then I heated it until it dried out.
Chris

Why dont you post this info on OU thread Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
or here on the Discussion Best way to use heat from HHO to generate electricity thread?

I think "Power" moniters both of those threads.

On my count, this make 0 for 3 (since we have not copied exactly how the Power did it we cant conclude much)

[superman9976]

Thanks superman9976 for the description. I have done the freezing ammonia
method, works great. I only have zinc gluconate, unless I tried to use suntan
lotion since it has zinc oxide in it. Could you post a picture of what the crystals
looked like ? So if I try something again, I will know I am getting the right result.

FRC

I ended up with more than what I started with. I tried putting just the 30ml of dry powder just to see what it looks like in comparsion in the bottom of the mason jar. It seemed to barely cover the bottom and compared to what I ended up it was right up to the 100ml mark on the jar. They must have grown for me to have that much more.
I can't say its right or not though. I figured it should be. I tried out the transducers yesterday without the zinc to see output. If you put two inches of water over them it produces more output. Its definitely not flammable. Then I put the zinc in water soluble material and hung it over the transducer and didn't see any increase and tried putting the zinc directly into the water. Zinc in the water damped the effect. Output became minimal.
So I am at the point where I don't know what to do now. It would need to split the water to be flammable otherwise just the fog acts like increased octane in a motor and to cool the motor.
FRC if you look on overunity you don't need to be a member to see the photos and mine looked like theirs that's why I thought it must have worked.
Do you know if I was supposed to separate it immediately after cooling to let it dry out? I just left it in the jar until I was ready to use it then I heated it until it dried out.
Chris

[future pather]

Zicam Cold Remedy mouth spray has zinc in it.

(Works amazingly too. I fear no virus with it by my side.)

[FRC]

Thanks superman9976

Thanks superman9976 for the description. I have done the freezing ammonia
method, works great. I only have zinc gluconate, unless I tried to use suntan
lotion since it has zinc oxide in it. Could you post a picture of what the crystals
looked like ? So if I try something again, I will know I am getting the right result.

FRC

[superman9976]

Here are some photos of the setup.

[superman9976]

Making crystals

I started this process by buying Walgreens brand ammonia for 1.99 then froze some of it at a time. The added water freezes but when I broke through the ice there was still unfrozen liquid which smelled much more concentrated compared to the diluted mix that was originally in the bottle. So I went through freezing and then pouring it into a different container.

I purchased a small meat thermometer
measuring cup with mls on it
I had three quart sauce pan already
a metal soap dish to suspend the mason jar in a water bath
hardware wire to tie up the soap and the thermometer
a case of quart mason jars with lids
zinc oxide
a $2 plastic paint mixer from menards
already had the electric drill
the $12 hot plate from menards
I setup the sauce pan wired in soap dish after bending it to fit inside and suspended it above the bottom of the pan. Wired up the thermometer to hang just in the water. Then set the pan on the hot plate with the mason jar filled with 300ml of ammonia turned it on med when the water temp reached 140F (60C) I added 30ml of zinc oxide. Now I would churn up the ammonia real rapidly then slowly and sometimes take a break so I really only mixed for maybe one third the total time. I just didnt let it totally settle out to the bottom. I was not consistent at all. After 30 minutes of this I sealed the jar and placed it into the refrigerator not the freezer overnight and turned the fridge to a colder setting so it would be 0C or 32F.
The next night set the jar into warm water to help bring it to room temp. Then heated the pan up to boiling. I also wrapped the jar lid with a towel and put ice cubes in the middle to help keep the lid cool. Placed the jar into boiling water. Now for the next two hours or so the temperature varied since the outlet I was plugged into was one of those light socket ones and was a bit loose so the hot plate would turn off and on. I found out after the fact that was the problem. The only consistent thing here was that I maintained the temp above 140F (60C)
Let the jar cool and settle out and you should see you have more then what you started with. In my experience I had three times the amount I started with. I even spilled some when I was mixing it with the paint mixer in the beginning but still came out with more in the end.

Chris

[Slovenia]

No Board Troll

Hi Superman,

Powerme is a great guy with great information. He doesn't deserve to be flamed here at all. He and Aaron had some misunderstandings but that was between them. I think there was also a language barrier. Anyway, I think Powerme is a stand-up guy who deserves some real respect. He has given us some technology free which I do believe will make a real difference. He has a great following on this board. Please leave it alone.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Thanks for sharing those links Mikrovolt. Yeah I guess powerme was all mouth and no show which didnt sit well with Aaron. He's definitely out there with his different way of thinking. Its just nice when people can open up and help others out without insulting each other. What is there to gain by being rude on a forum thats supposed to be a positive place?

[FRC]

Chris

I can't believe it! I put 300ml of ammonia into a mason jar and then added 30ml of zinc oxide. End result 100ml of zinc crystals looks like sand! Three times the amount of what I started with. I just finished making it Wednesday night. If you have any questions on how I did it I will share. Powerme gave instructions which actually are guidelines. You dont need to stick to exactly what he said. These are just rough numbers. I used a $2 plastic paint mixer in a electric drill instead of 130 dollar magnetic stirrer. Oh and I bought some walgreens ammonia for 1.99 and froze it to separate the ammonia out of it. Now I just need to test out the crystals with the transducers that my brother bought from China.
Chris

Could you outline your procedure and post it here or on the other thread. Your results sound fantastic. The freezing the ammonia to separate the water was a brilliant idea. At least someone is having some success.

FRC

[superman9976]

Thanks for sharing those links Mikrovolt. Yeah I guess powerme was all mouth and no show which didnt sit well with Aaron. He's definitely out there with his different way of thinking. Its just nice when people can open up and help others out without insulting each other. What is there to gain by being rude on a forum thats supposed to be a positive place?