Growing Crystals, Piezoelectric Energy Harvesting

[wantomake]

crystal lattice

Hello to All,
Could a crystal lattice be grown between the plates in a FLA battery. I believe this is the key to power attraction from the aether over in the 3BGS thread. Currently looking for celenite to experiment with.
Any ideas. Great thread here. Very informative.

Thanks,
wantomake

[Alva]

Piezo Transducer

Hello,

I have been reading this threa on your site and OverUnity. I haven't heard if anyone achived sucess. Could someone tell me their results?

Also, I have a question. I found a piezo transducer designed for use in water. One of the uses listed is matter dispersion. I was wonderin if I could use it instead of making crystals. Does is make a difference if I have one big peizo vibrating at 43Khz or do I need thousands of little crystals vibrating in that range?

If the big pezo works should I place it in the fog above the ultrasonic fogger, or in water below?

Thanks for any comments

Here is my link to the peizo for sale: Piezoelectric Ceramic Cylinder Transducer 43 KHz - STEMINC

Here is a link to a guy who appears to be useing resonance (or something to do with sound/frequency) to generate HHO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejHXMqPfytw

[Slovenia]

Chemicals

I ordered my chemicals today, (i.e.: ammonium hydroxide, & zinc oxide). I should have them within a week or so and then I'll be able to make the crystals too.

I'm really into this project and plan to go the whole route. I've been looking for the programmable piezo pond foggers and so far haven't found what I want and/or need.

If someone knows where to purchase these programmable pond foggers, please let us know. Thanks in advance!!

[petar113507]

Yes, i hope i can report some positive results with a gen-set, we will see. Any positive results would be nice, as of now its only powerme.

As i understand it,
1. 30 minutes mixing at 60c,
2. 1 hour cooling at 0c,
3. 2 hours heating at 60C (the growing stage)

So after the ice bath is a growing stage, where the mix just seats still for 2 hours at 140 F. and actually needs to be under some pressure.
Could a 10 psi plus, burst a 140 degree F plastic bottle, and send 30% ammonium everywhere? Can we continue to shake it during this step?

I really dont know how much we can change from Powers directions. This crystal making stuff is way out of my expertise.

30 mins mixing @ 60 Deg. C,
1 Hour cooling at 0 Degrees C
2 Hours Heating

Use a big, 1/2 gallon masonry jar. Those puppies are designed to withstand some PRESSURE for nanny's canning.

So you don't gotta worry about the darned thing blowing up on you. I've kept it up to 70* C, and the thing still didn't give out on me. I put an ice cube on the top of the lid during part 3 (2 hrs @ 60C), and the ice cube reduced the ammount of pressure, to a "safe" level on the kitchen stove (where I could check on it ever 10 minutes while watching a DVD)

Every 10 minutes, I would increase temp. from 65, to 70 Deg. C -- and use my little stirrer, and swoosh the mixture around, and then leave it for the next 10 minute round.)

Hope this helps
==Romo

[petar113507]

@ Roland

EXACTLY!

Very simple stuff. He has given us such general guidelines, that with a little bit of thought, you can make MANY things "fit the bill" in this project.

Cheers mate,
==Romo

[Roland]

If u shake it u will have zero pressure build up. This is the whole point of the stirring/shaking. Ammonia loves water. Glad ur having a go man. Good stuff.

Yes, i hope i can report some positive results with a gen-set, we will see. Any positive results would be nice, as of now its only powerme.

As i understand it,
1. 30 minutes mixing at 60c,
2. 1 hour cooling at 0c,
3. 2 hours heating at 60C (the growing stage)

So after the ice bath is a growing stage, where the mix just seats still for 2 hours at 140 F. and actually needs to be under some pressure.
Could a 10 psi plus, burst a 140 degree F plastic bottle, and send 30% ammonium everywhere? Can we continue to shake it during this step?

I really dont know how much we can change from Powers directions. This crystal making stuff is way out of my expertise.

[Slovenia]

Thanks

Thanks Vickers. The wife is complaining about all the money I have tied up in my projects and so I was a bit concerned. I have an oscilloscope getting dusty too.

You're doing a great job!!! Thanks for sharing with us.

Hey Slovenia, A hot plate and mag stir is a very handy thing to have. Money well spent brother.

[Vickers]

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[Vickers]

Hey Slovenia, A hot plate and mag stir is a very handy thing to have. Money well spent brother.

[geotrouvetout]

Hi all,

Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric

the melting point of ammonium hydroxyde is lower than the water, maybe it's more easy to have high concentration of ammonium hydroxyde by freezing instead of evaporating and condensing, just a thought.

Geo

[Slovenia]

Thanks

Hi Vickers,

Thanks a lot for sharing your alternate crystal making method with us. I just got the hot plate with magnetic stirrer, so maybe I don't need that after all.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Hope Powerme dont mind but I would like to simplify some of his very simple instructions. (just to speed things up a little).

Zinc oxide can be bought at any pottery supply outlet over the counter.
May not be nano... but if u really keen u can grind the hell out of it with a mortar and pestle for as long as u can.

Can concentrate ammonia easily and safely using a crock pot with upside down lid full of icewater. Place a small collector bowl in center of crock pot.

Instead of mag stirrer and hotplate use a plastic drink bottle. Ur household hot tap water is 60C. To prevent fumes make sure u seal it as mentioned in powerme first post. This is perfectly safe. There will be zero pressure build up. Learn boiling temp of water VS boiling temp of ammonia.
Immerse bottle in hot tap water to heat and shake the hell out of it every minute or so. The longer the better.

Freeze overnight to concentrate the ammonia and slowly heat again to maximize the reaction of highly concentrated yet safely contained ammonia.

Pour onto oven tray and evaporate.

Scrape up ur crystals.

Done.

[Vickers]

If u shake it u will have zero pressure build up. This is the whole point of the stirring/shaking. Ammonia loves water. Glad ur having a go man. Good stuff.

[Roland]

Hope Powerme dont mind but I would like to simplify some of his very simple instructions. (just to speed things up a little).

Zinc oxide can be bought at any pottery supply outlet over the counter.
May not be nano... but if u really keen u can grind the hell out of it with a mortar and pestle for as long as u can.

Can concentrate ammonia easily and safely using a crock pot with upside down lid full of icewater. Place a small collector bowl in center of crock pot.

Instead of mag stirrer and hotplate use a plastic drink bottle. Ur household hot tap water is 60C. To prevent fumes make sure u seal it as mentioned in powerme first post. This is perfectly safe. There will be zero pressure build up. Learn boiling temp of water VS boiling temp of ammonia.
Immerse bottle in hot tap water to heat and shake the hell out of it every minute or so. The longer the better.

Freeze overnight to concentrate the ammonia and slowly heat again to maximize the reaction of highly concentrated yet safely contained ammonia.

Pour onto oven tray and evaporate.

Scrape up ur crystals.

Done.

WAIT a minute, ARE YOU SURE NO PRESSURE BIULDS UP??????


Id hate to see someone get hurt so lets be sure about this. i question the wisdom of the plastic bottle. Pressure and boiling points are two different things. I believe pressure does rise regardless of boiling points that is how you super heat steam...

I made my second batch of crystals last night. I watched the lid of a mason jar at 60c 140f bulge out. Just guessing but I'd bet it was at the very least 10 psi! I tried to push down on that lid to see if i could get it to click up and down. No dice, it was very much pressurize. In fact it i did even smell trace amounts ammonium leaking.

I did mix in my zinc while the ammonium was just added to the 60c water bath that was sitting on my heater stirrer. So the temp was under 80 F when i put the lid on tight. I know that capping it at lower temps does give a greater pressure this was my goal because, Power mentioned the pressure is needed for transmutation.

I don't mean to over react i just want to be safe. I do like your other Tips thanks

[Vickers]

Hope Powerme dont mind but I would like to simplify some of his very simple instructions. (just to speed things up a little).

Zinc oxide can be bought at any pottery supply outlet over the counter.
May not be nano... but if u really keen u can grind the hell out of it with a mortar and pestle for as long as u can.

Can concentrate ammonia easily and safely using a crock pot with upside down lid full of icewater. Place a small collector bowl in center of crock pot.

Instead of mag stirrer and hotplate use a plastic drink bottle. Ur household hot tap water is 60C. To prevent fumes make sure u seal it as mentioned in powerme first post. This is perfectly safe. There will be zero pressure build up. Learn boiling temp of water VS boiling temp of ammonia.
Immerse bottle in hot tap water to heat and shake the hell out of it every minute or so. The longer the better.

Freeze overnight to concentrate the ammonia and slowly heat again to maximize the reaction of highly concentrated yet safely contained ammonia.

Pour onto oven tray and evaporate.

Scrape up ur crystals.

Done.

[FRC]

Chris

FRC if you look on overunity you don't need to be a member to see the photos and mine looked like theirs that's why I thought it must have worked. Do you know if I was supposed to separate it immediately after cooling to let it dry out? I just left it in the jar until I was ready to use it then I heated it until it dried out.Chris

I am not sure about that. Have you seen this video, or his other one ?

YouTube - Ultrasonic Gasoline Vaporizer by Sul-tech

Maybe if one could find out the frequency of the model he is using . He is
not using zinc but still gets combustion with HHO and so did Altrez with his
unit.

FRC