Joule Ringer!

[seth]

My goal is to power all the house lights....and then everything else.....on simple low power systems that are fed by earth batteries, solar cells, and anything else that looks promising and will save me cash on my elecy bill. And Im hoping Ill have a good time to boot, as well as understand the world around me just that little bit better.


The base diode KILLS any ringing effect. The microhenry inductor works fine in this position.

[quantumuppercut]

Hello All,

I have been studying this neat little device and have made a few replicas. However I am still having trouble understanding its purpose. It seems to be just a home built efficient HV generator / CFL driver?

I made countless JTs and Fugi mods that do pretty much the same thing. I almost fill a bit dumb asking what the goal is because I am sure I have missed something.

I can run a 120v LED bulb from a 100 watt inverter with a 12v 7amp SLA battery for a very long time at full brightness.

Can one of you kind folk please explain this to me in really simple terms



-Altrez

For me, I try to build over efficient generators. lol I build, then I think about it, finding loop holes and argument/counter argument on why certain works like that. I check back with the book, do some predictions, experiment to see if I predict right, then think again, do revision and the cycle repeats. It's hard to find OU on the plate, but anomaly is not so hard. From anomaly, we keep grinding it to find a whole new world.

Right now I'm testing one of my own theory by having this circuit charging high impedance loads (several batteries in series). I really want to know if we can model an inductor's core as a pendulum. Really interesting.

[seth]

Firstly, I wanna thank Xee for making such clear diagrams - its a real treat to have them just come up nice and clear on the page, and makes it real easy to try other peoples mods. I'll be trying those microhenry inductors in a few minutes.

The extra diode on the base of the transistor has certainly improved the setup. I can now light my 72W CFL on less than 200 microamps (5V from charger). Check it out!

Flyback ringer - 72W CFL on 200 microamps - YouTube

I wanna get it down to working with the 1AA (no charger), and then hook it up to an earth battery - CFL running on metal in garden sounds like fun.

[minoly]

When using a base inductor the capacitor is no longer needed. The use of just a resistor and inductor seems to work best for me.

video >>> Joule thief with 120 VAC LED bulb - part 5 - YouTube

you can also make that a tunable inductor by winding your own coil and using move-able ferrite or rods inside the coil.

[xee2]

When using a base inductor the capacitor is no longer needed. The use of just a resistor and inductor seems to work best for me.

video >>> Joule thief with 120 VAC LED bulb - part 5 - YouTube

[altrez]

Hello All,

I have been studying this neat little device and have made a few replicas. However I am still having trouble understanding its purpose. It seems to be just a home built efficient HV generator / CFL driver?

I made countless JTs and Fugi mods that do pretty much the same thing. I almost fill a bit dumb asking what the goal is because I am sure I have missed something.

I can run a 120v LED bulb from a 100 watt inverter with a 12v 7amp SLA battery for a very long time at full brightness.

Can one of you kind folk please explain this to me in really simple terms



-Altrez

[totoalas]

JB's and Tesla's work JB's solid state SSG

must have been a hickup or some sort of reboot on the EF hosting server, thought I was being blocked out for a few minutes there.

anyway -
this is basically JB's solid state SSG, it is in his most recent patent User blackchisel97 has a schematic here:
watch?v=f7bH-vdrCjc&feature=mf*u_in_order&list=UL
I left out the CB diodes and used neons, I used 1n914's EB, and mje13007/9's(?)
then added the cap across the pot and the diode to the base
I think I have some decent closeup's in this vid -
Joule Thief type battery charger - solid state energizer - YouTube
even w/ all these changes it's still JB's and Tesla's work.

Hi Minoly,

thanks

totoalas

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[minoly]

Patrick PEACE LOVE LIGHT as SKYWATCHER ALWAYS SAY
I was once reminded calling Slayer a SEC or a SEC Slayer
Anyway were going in the microamps and I dont want to miss the boat lol

My dodoshlodo jt charger can handle the 7aH 12 v battery but yours is a leap further in real time...... CIRCUIT PLEASE IF YOU DONT MIND

CHEERS

totoalas

must have been a hickup or some sort of reboot on the EF hosting server, thought I was being blocked out for a few minutes there.

anyway -
this is basically JB's solid state SSG, it is in his most recent patent User blackchisel97 has a schematic here:
watch?v=f7bH-vdrCjc&feature=mf*u_in_order&list=UL
I left out the CB diodes and used neons, I used 1n914's EB, and mje13007/9's(?)
then added the cap across the pot and the diode to the base
I think I have some decent closeup's in this vid -
Joule Thief type battery charger - solid state energizer - YouTube
even w/ all these changes it's still JB's and Tesla's work.

[minoly]

Hi folks, Hi patrick, thanks for sharing your latest video, showing that 7AH charging 500AH or so to a good level.
Do you know the amp draw on that solid state charger when you have it tuned?
Also, when you were trying to charge that 12volt-7AH, it was only getting a current flow between the two banks when there was a voltage differential, so it probably stopped charging it much after awhile.
I would suggest using the solid state charger to charge up the 7Ah from the large bank.

I tested my (french) flip flop inverter as a radiant charger after watching your video and it works real well also, with a diode off each coil.
Though more tests will tell if it performs as well as what yours seem to be showing us.

As far as the naming thing, were all one family and ultimately on the same team, so any creativity shared by others from whatever so called time they existed is for all to share freely.
One can not own ideas anymore than I can own the space we exist within. Names are useful to keep track of things, though it can become a distraction to our progress and creativity.
The substance inside is what is valuable, not the label.
I look forward to more of your results and I hope to offer some as well.
peace love light
tyson

Hi Tyson,
in my first year of experimenting with the SSG I went through about 5 multimeters because of that spike - so I stopped measuring amp draw from the primary and amps to the charge battery. It works fine on little builds, but once you get enough wire and transistors, they always get damaged and act like they are working but give out false readings - only to be learned once I have fooled myself a few times
Thanks for the insight on the charging back of the 7Ah. I also share your same outlook on ownership. it's too bad codification and the gold-rush mentality brings about the other stuff.

patrick

[xee2]

Hi.Just an update on the Xee transformer Jouleringer configuration that i stumbled onto last night doing tests for Xee.
What is happening was the voltmeter was draining some voltage of the cap bringing it below supply voltage and the circuit could fire up so I replaced the paralled volt meter with 4m ohm resistance and this had the same effect with the added bonus of being able to vary the current draw from 100uA up to whatever you want.
This test was done using 16v and the base capasitor was marked 334k ,0.33uf but i think a 10m pot would be ideal..
Here is a quick vid of the test.Jonny.
Xee2 Transformer Jouleringer - YouTube

Very interesting. Thanks for the video.

[totoalas]

Magnetic Joule Ringer 281111

MAGNETIC JOULE RINGER 281111 - YouTube

The magnet ring limits the in current but brightens the output

2 ckt 10 series led bulbs live plus xfmr body ground.
1 ckt 8 led lamps xfmer body ground plus collector output
60 to 120 ma

cheers

totoalas

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi patrick, thanks for sharing your latest video, showing that 7AH charging 500AH or so to a good level.
Do you know the amp draw on that solid state charger when you have it tuned?
Also, when you were trying to charge that 12volt-7AH, it was only getting a current flow between the two banks when there was a voltage differential, so it probably stopped charging it much after awhile.
I would suggest using the solid state charger to charge up the 7Ah from the large bank.

I tested my (french) flip flop inverter as a radiant charger after watching your video and it works real well also, with a diode off each coil.
Though more tests will tell if it performs as well as what yours seem to be showing us.

As far as the naming thing, were all one family and ultimately on the same team, so any creativity shared by others from whatever so called time they existed is for all to share freely.
One can not own ideas anymore than I can own the space we exist within. Names are useful to keep track of things, though it can become a distraction to our progress and creativity.
The substance inside is what is valuable, not the label.
I look forward to more of your results and I hope to offer some as well.
peace love light
tyson

[totoalas]

good one


I think it's wonderful that we are all here sharing what we learn about how to make/reproduce the work of great minds before us.

Patrick

Patrick PEACE LOVE LIGHT as SKYWATCHER ALWAYS SAY
I was once reminded calling Slayer a SEC or a SEC Slayer
Anyway were going in the microamps and I dont want to miss the boat lol

My dodoshlodo jt charger can handle the 7aH 12 v battery but yours is a leap further in real time...... CIRCUIT PLEASE IF YOU DONT MIND

CHEERS

totoalas

[jonnydavro]

Hi.Just an update on the Xee transformer Jouleringer configuration that i stumbled onto last night doing tests for Xee.
What is happening was the voltmeter was draining some voltage of the cap bringing it below supply voltage and the circuit could fire up so I replaced the paralled volt meter with 4m ohm resistance and this had the same effect with the added bonus of being able to vary the current draw from 100uA up to whatever you want.
This test was done using 16v and the base capasitor was marked 334k ,0.33uf but i think a 10m pot would be ideal..
Here is a quick vid of the test.Jonny.
Xee2 Transformer Jouleringer - YouTube

[Slider2732]

Yep, here's some info on the Bearcat 12: RadioPics Database - Bearcat/Uniden - Bearcat 12
It's a shame it was broken. The aerial was missing and the mountings inside, I didn't know what it was so took it apart months ago. But, it was free from a guy who used to bring round stuff, if I fixed AC fans or whatever that he salvaged. Am building up another circuit at the moment, same as this one and to compare transformers and wireless fields. Then, on to the ringing stuff at last.

If anyone wants confirmation of what will run and what won't on the diode mod standard inverters, from standard power transistors to MOSFET's, here's my list with datasheets for all the ones I could find around here. May not be much use to those with more advanced projects, but anyway

'Runners'
Generally approx 260mA at 3V with no capacitor used.
Similar light output from all, all increase brightness and current with voltage.
Transformer ex Bearcat 12, 120K pot, RN2Z diode, 100ohm resistor on xformer to pot leg as current regulator.


NPN Transistors
C1507 BCE excellent at 1.5V http://www.jmnic.com/pdf/2sc/2SC1507.pdf
C2625 BCE http://w5jgv.com/inverter/2SC2625.pdf
C3421 ECB excellent at 1.5V http://www.toshiba.com/taec/componen...nc/66/7767.pdf
C3884A BCE 2SC3884 pdf, 2SC3884 description, 2SC3884 datasheets, 2SC3884 view ::: ALLDATASHEET :::
C4576 BCE http://www.bdent.com/v/vspfiles/down...es/2SC4576.pdf
C4793 BCE excellent at 1.5V http://www.toshiba.com/taec/componen...nc/66/7846.pdf
C5198 BCE http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data...shiba/3226.pdf
C5387 BCE http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data...shiba/3495.pdf
C5929 BCE No datasheet found
D1413 BCE http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data.../500805_DS.pdf
D1414 BCE KTD1414_07 pdf, KTD1414_07 description, KTD1414_07 datasheets, KTD1414_07 view ::: ALLDATASHEET :::
D1609 ECB http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data...or/mXqyxws.pdf
TIP41C ECB Lowest power used - 210mA http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data...INGS/TIP41.pdf
TIP122 BCE http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/TI/TIP120.pdf

N-Channel MOSFET's
Typical switch on is 4V
IRF610 GDS http://www.uib.es/depart/dfs/GTE/edu...ues/IRF610.pdf
IRF630 GDS Quick fire only
IRF730 GDS Broad resistor running range HIRF730F pdf, HIRF730F description, HIRF730F datasheets, HIRF730F view ::: ALLDATASHEET :::
K794 GDS http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data...41/41167_1.pdf (Japanese)
K1445 GDS 2SK1445 pdf, 2SK1445 description, 2SK1445 datasheets, 2SK1445 view ::: ALLDATASHEET :::
K2141 GDS http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data.../502459_DS.pdf
K2161 GDS No oscillation, quick fire only http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data..._e/2SK2161.pdf
K2182 GDS http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data...gen/mXqvyz.pdf
K2599 GDS Quick fire only 2SK2599 pdf, 2SK2599 description, 2SK2599 datasheets, 2SK2599 view ::: ALLDATASHEET :::
K2648 GDS http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data...ji/2SK2648.pdf
K3265 GDS http://www.toshiba.com/taec/componen...nc/76/3264.pdf