Joule Ringer!

[minoly]

Hi Minoly
Is it possible to provide a sketch on your modified charger plus parts list so we can replicate as I am a newbie to electronics

Joule ringer + flip flop inverter + Minoly charger = Stand alone PS @ home

thanks

totoalas

Sorry I just assume everyone looking into this has put in their basic 20 runs into a real battery.

you might want to start here then:

Bedini_Monopole3 : Bedini_Monopole3

One has to learn what it takes to charge a battery this way in order to get it to work, the energy will not end up in the battery if it is not understood what it takes to get it there.

I do not feel comfortable posting JB's patent maybe others here will. I have described it perfectly. His patent is online, search under Google patents.

please do not feel I am giving the run around. you really just need to see where the charge battery goes the way xee has drawn it w/o the L2, do the runs, and you're home free...

again maybe some one else can draw it up...



Patrick

[Allen Burgess]

Thanks. That is good to know. I wonder why LaserSaber put his bulbs in series.

The bulbs are drawing minimal power in series. Lasersaber's setup delivers maximum efficiency, but the bulbs won't light to full brightness. Magnetman has a small voltage regulator in place of Lidmotor's rheostat to turn the parallel intensity down with less heat loss. That may be the best possible arrangement.

[totoalas]

Lidmotor's flip flop Inverter 051211

@All
There is an excellent replication of the "French Flip Flop" inverter shown on Youtube by Magnetman. He basically took what I did with the design and greatly enhanced it. He replaced the rheostat power control with a simple voltage regulator circuit that eliminated the heat problem that I had. The inverter is powered by a simple solar system also which makes this setup more like what Lasersaber is doing. When the next power outage happens he is one guy who will not be in the dark and will still be able to run small AC devices using this device.

Great little inverter.MOV - YouTube

@totolas
It seems that "super efficiency" is what we are all after here. All these devices are heading towards that goal. We just have to keep working on it at.


Lidmotor

Hi Lid,
Lidmotor's flip flop replication 051211 - YouTube
As long as people like you wants a free energy world then we can go back to our simple lives to concentrate more on food and health for survival in third world countries where 75 % OF THEIR EARNINGS ARE CONSUMED BY HIGH ENERGY COST OF LIVING

THANKS
totoalas

[Lidmotor]

French Flip Flop inverter replication by Magnetman

@All
There is an excellent replication of the "French Flip Flop" inverter shown on Youtube by Magnetman. He basically took what I did with the design and greatly enhanced it. He replaced the rheostat power control with a simple voltage regulator circuit that eliminated the heat problem that I had. The inverter is powered by a simple solar system also which makes this setup more like what Lasersaber is doing. When the next power outage happens he is one guy who will not be in the dark and will still be able to run small AC devices using this device.

Great little inverter.MOV - YouTube

@totolas
It seems that "super efficiency" is what we are all after here. All these devices are heading towards that goal. We just have to keep working on it at.



Lidmotor

[totoalas]

500 ah charger by Minoly

Aside from the cap diode, the only changes I made to the patent:

I left out the CB diodes and used neons, I used 1n914's EB, and mje13007g (it's 7g)
I'm also getting it to work with the MJL21194's

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7051-joule-ringer-24.html

The closer you can get to zero impedance on the charge side the better...
same old BM2 stuff... :-)
play with that cap and different size pot and wattage this will all depend on your battery, coil, core. I'm close to getting it to work on the 3PM kit with smaller batteries 3.6Ah with that blue translucent 7Ah on the back. 1:1 is easy, getting past that is tough. the batteries are part of JB's ckt which is a large part of why it is not just an Armstrong oscillator (or however far back you decide to go :-)

IMHO

Patrick

Hi Minoly
Is it possible to provide a sketch on your modified charger plus parts list so we can replicate as I am a newbie to electronics

Joule ringer + flip flop inverter + Minoly charger = Stand alone PS @ home

thanks

totoalas

[xee2]

@Xee2.

Running the bulbs serially causes the bulbs to dim as additional bulbs are connected. The parallel approach permits them to stay lit at equal brightness together. Parallel wireing appears to work markedly better then serial with this circuit. Lidmotor got the same result.

Thanks. That is good to know. I wonder why LaserSaber put his bulbs in series.

[Allen Burgess]

Serial LEDS.

@Xee2.

Running the bulbs serially causes the bulbs to dim as additional bulbs are connected. The parallel approach permits them to stay lit at equal brightness together. Parallel wireing appears to work markedly better then serial with this circuit. Lidmotor got the same result.

[minoly]

Hi folks, Hi minoly, thanks for the reply. So all those small black diodes, looks like 8 of them soldered to a rail, are those the collector diodes.
I thought those were the base/emitter diodes, or do you not have base/emitter diodes in your setup, thanks.
I finished my multi-strand coil today, it has:
7-23awg coil strands @ 4.6 ohms per strand.
ferrite core-5/8" diameter X 3" long, taken from audio crossovers.
nylon ties to keep it together.
Next step is trying to get enough parts for it. Here is a pic.

peace love light
tyson

Aside from the cap diode, the only changes I made to the patent:

I left out the CB diodes and used neons, I used 1n914's EB, and mje13007g (it's 7g)
I'm also getting it to work with the MJL21194's

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7051-joule-ringer-24.html

The closer you can get to zero impedance on the charge side the better...
same old BM2 stuff... :-)
play with that cap and different size pot and wattage this will all depend on your battery, coil, core. I'm close to getting it to work on the 3PM kit with smaller batteries 3.6Ah with that blue translucent 7Ah on the back. 1:1 is easy, getting past that is tough. the batteries are part of JB's ckt which is a large part of why it is not just an Armstrong oscillator (or however far back you decide to go :-)

IMHO

Patrick

[xee2]

Here's the vid just uploaded: 3V flyback - wireless, 1 wire + sparks - YouTube

Excellent results for 3 volts. What model flyback are you using?

[Slider2732]

Great developments there Lidmotor. The run along of Darlington's gives a few thoughts on ramping a lot of circuits.

Been working at low voltages with Seth's flyback circuit. The wireless output is really good at 3V (in fact 3.24V when measured). 360mA is a bit high, but the sparks and lighting are surprising with this sort of thing. Easily about the strongest and longest streamers i've made at such voltages.
Here's the vid just uploaded: 3V flyback - wireless, 1 wire + sparks - YouTube

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi minoly, thanks for the reply. So all those small black diodes, looks like 8 of them soldered to a rail, are those the collector diodes.
I thought those were the base/emitter diodes, or do you not have base/emitter diodes in your setup, thanks.
I finished my multi-strand coil today, it has:
7-23awg coil strands @ 4.6 ohms per strand.
ferrite core-5/8" diameter X 3" long, taken from audio crossovers.
nylon ties to keep it together.
Next step is trying to get enough parts for it. Here is a pic.



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peace love light
tyson

[totoalas]

Lidmotor's Dalington Ringer minus trigger

@All
Here is a video showing what I was talking about using a clip lead wrapped around an extension cord to pick up a signal to trigger a four wire transformer circuit. It is a super simple way to make the LED light work on a four wire transformer. Won't work if the power goes out and you would have to get a signal another way. I found that a separate simple AA battery Joule Thief would also supply a signal.

Simple 60Hz Trigger.ASF - YouTube

Lidmotor

Thanks Lidmotor
It will run a 0.5 w led lamp at 180 ma w/o load 240 ma
1 w lamp 270 ma full brightness
it will not light 10 series 0.5 w
transistor temp 27 deg C
cheers

totoalas

CFL lid Darlington minus trigger - YouTube
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Lidmotor's Darlington Ringer minus Trigger - YouTube

[minoly]

Hi folks, Hi minoly, I looked over your videos some more just to verify your circuit parts and such, though I did not notice any flyback diodes, i can see all the base emitter diodes.
Were you using diodes to collect the collapsing field of each of the coil strands, I just could not see them in your videos, thanks.
Anyway, I am going to be rewiring my large ferrite core with at least 6 strands of 24 gauge, though I need to get more transistors, so will not be using all strands right away.
Going to try and achieve similar results with my 7AH sla batteries. Charge 4 in parallel with one, we will see how it goes.
peace love light
tyson

Hi Tyson,
I'm using a 1n4007 on each of the collectors, everything else that I did not describe above is exactly as JB has in his vanilla circuit. you might be able to see them closer here:
Bedini Joule Thief - YouTube

A maybe not so interesting note... because of the cap and diode, the trigger coil works either way. That is, connected like a joule thief (JB's SS SSG), or straight on like his monopole.

Patrick

[Lidmotor]

Simple 60Hz trigger

@All
Here is a video showing what I was talking about using a clip lead wrapped around an extension cord to pick up a signal to trigger a four wire transformer circuit. It is a super simple way to make the LED light work on a four wire transformer. Won't work if the power goes out and you would have to get a signal another way. I found that a separate simple AA battery Joule Thief would also supply a signal.

Simple 60Hz Trigger.ASF - YouTube

Lidmotor

[kcarring]

@All
I have been working with another way to trigger the circuits----using a free signal from the grid. Basically you use the same Xee2 transistor and transformer arrangement but you set up a Darlington arrangement with three transistors. Two 2N2222s and the MJE13007 at the end. Doing this allows for a very faint signal to trigger the whole circuit. A clip lead attached to the base of the first 2N2222 with the other end of the clip lead just wrapped twice around any cord coming out of a mains wall socket does it. This takes the place of the trigger coil in the JT circuit. The circuit then fires at only 60Hz and saves power. You can also then use any four wire 12v transformer and it will run. On the five wire Radio Shack transformer just use the first two wires of the primary. Just something new and fun to try out.

That is great Lidmotor! I have been wanting to find a way to do this... because... I literally, have an endless supply of free transformers of all sorts and sizes, from tiny step ups used in LCD monitors to large 10:1 stepdowns used in UPS systems... all tossed away sitting in a recycler's back room, which is a free-for-all - but they rarely are center-tapped! It'd be cool if this method worked from the output of a (running) commercial inverter, for example, someone living offgrid, running their "big inverter" to do "big jobs, i.e. run compressors, pumps, fans, appliances, etc.." --- and meanwhile, using that cable as a signal for the said Lidmotor method.

If anyone wants something... let me know... this time of year I have the time to get stuff. I will try this Lidmotor triggering with some of the stuff I have already and if anyone wants stuff, let me know, I would only expect that you pay shipping, that's it.