Joule Ringer!

[Allen Burgess]

Multiple bulb results.

Preliminary results: One bulb 500ma @ 2197 lumens; Six bulbs 800ma @ 1082 lumens per bulb. Looks like Six 2 watt LED bulbs in parallel nearly doubles the watt to lumen ratio over the one bulb. Each of the six bulbs is merely half as bright as the single bulb, but we're getting light at half the price with the cluster! Video will follow tonight. My initial results are sharply reveresed from Peanutbutter29's, and in line with the Professor's.

I'm running 12 volts through the 6 volt center tap of a 12 to 120 volt Radio Shack 3amp transformer. I'm useing Lidmotor's K4zep circuit and generating over 200 volts through the LED bulb cluster. Probably a little different from the other setups. The six 2 volt LED bulb cluster's wired in parallel.

[Peanutbutter29]

The Tooth shall set you free

Sigh, In regards to 95 lumen video......

I use the general formulas for the mean and for the standard deviation (see attached). I deduce from the data for my light box that the mean is 0.0793 (this is the calibration factor) and the standard deviation is 0.00249. Thus, one may see that the variance is small, 3.1%.

To first put aside the shown proven calibration variation (10-15Lu/w) between bulbs and just run with the above shown calibration (for all bulbs ever made), we end up with;

5480 Lux x .0793 = 434.5 Lumens (said 550)
434.5 Lumens / 6.018w = 72.2 Lu/W (said 95)

Above is using only Prof's conversion factor and Prof's shown numbers. This calibration was HIGHLY defended, so I assume it's the same. Again, we know calibration varies in favor of daylights; relative to warm white calibration with incandescent or compacts.

We have also a variation in findings on these bulbs @ 120v (see my post and prof post). He calculated 150 lumens @ 80 Lu/W on A/c. I found 50 Lumens and 46 Lu/W on A/c. Here it's' up to the observer as is most reality.

Still hoping for a needle accuracy instead of a haystack, sigh

At any rate, no big deal to me; since I'm not doing these anymore. Maybe for others, I guess, to save time finding.

Thx

PS - I've not tested any case yet, where more bulbs equals more lu/w. You all know I started with multiples and I really wanted those to work. The smallest found loss ever was appx. 1 Lu/W per extra bulb, however many lights dropped 10 Lu/W with multiples. Again, multiples WILL be brighter than a single of course.

Oh @ Harvester. For desulfation or plate restoration there are a few techniques. I prefer Tekin's patented Pulse-Flex circuitry. These hit the market in 91-92'. Like most you add a short Opposing pulse (reverse polarity) of higher voltage to help remove "build-up" and electrolyte branching. Of course if the separator has been bridged you gain no benefit. Pulse width of reverse is usually of a short duration.

[Harvester]

Hey all.

Got the SS SSG working, without frying any more parts, thanks SkyWatcher.

Now i was wandering, if anyone could give me a rough idea on frequencies to use when charging/desulfating batteries.
Is there a rule of thumb, or something more accurate, or a site where it is explained more?

The charger has the following properties:
pot at 0 Ohm, 520Hz, input 12V 1.6A, output open 650V, charges old 12V lead acid battery at 12.62V and increasing VERY slowly
pot at 1KOhm, 2003Hz, input 12V 0.4A, output open 120V, charges old 12V lead acid battery at 12.43V.

Battery used is a 12V lead acid battery out of a car, which did not start engine any more and was at 11.86V when I got it.

Did the 1 Ohm test like on the SSG, but can get it only up to 0.75V and the 1/4W resistor starts smoking

Are the lower frequencies better for charging and higher frequencies better for desulfating?
Or do you pick lowest amp draw for highest charge?

Cheers
Martin

[Harvester]

Did a version of Lidmotor's circuit and it works nicely, thank for that.

Took a transformer I had lying around 240V to 12V@3A and another low voltage.
Had to change values, but got it working from 80mA.
At 80mA it was flickering though.

Once at 110mA, two 3.5W led and a Christmas tree chain with 100 leds work fine.
It is not as bright as using the 3.5W bulb straight from main, but at
340mA it is brighter than running from mains.
Do not have a light meter, so used judging by two people.

Waiting on more bulbs to arrive to see how it behaves.
Got some 9W CREE on order and will see how they go.

Unfortunately the second unused winding only produces 4.8V.
Was thinking of capturing it in a cap.

Thanks to everyone to make this possible!!

[Allen Burgess]

Prof Jones and LinkStream Video's

95 Lumans per watt. Jones maintains multiple bulbs help!

95LmPerWatt.AVI - YouTube

Also of interest is LinkStream's video wherein he demonstrates the increased efficiency of multiple bulbs. I'll perform my experiment tomorrow and upload a new video.

LynxSteam - YouTube

[Lidmotor]

A replication by Magnetman2010 of the device I built

Here is a replication of my version of Super Joule Ringer 2.0 that uses the 450mA Radio Shack transformer. Magnetman has replicated many of my projects and always seems to make them better. He also talks in the video about the Plengo cells (homemade batteries) and how well they work. Perhaps we could build a battery pack of them to run the smaller Ringer units like what I have.


Super Joule Ringer & Cell update.MOV - YouTube

Lidmotor

[totoalas]

Shr Flashlight Cabdle Bister 160612

FROM 1 AA CELL CHARGER AND OR 9 V DC CELL 20 TO 100 MA 200 TO 2000 LUX 5 WATT 220 V AC LED LAMP LOAD

GOODBYE TO CANDLE EXCEPT FOR B DAY LOL


TOTOALAS
SUPER JOULE RINGER FLASHLIGHT 160612 - YouTube

[Allen Burgess]

Jr 2.0

My Lux meter showed up. kzep measured 180 volts out from the 12 volts fed into the 6 volt center tap. My video on the multiple bulbs was at the 180 volts. Increasing the voltage reduces Ohmic resistence, so running extra bulbs at the higher voltage probably makes a difference.

I purchased a 45 watt set of 3 solar panels, 9 square feet, for under $200. from Harbor freight. It comes with it's own inverter, and can run appliances like T.V.s with no battery like our solar charger, and charge a 12 volt deep cycle marine battery in 2 days.

I have 2 boxed Jr 2's on the sailboat, one in a small vanity box that came out nicely. I will upload a video.

@Peanutbutter29,

I just got 86'd off the "Earthlight thread" for a crap toss with JB. We don't need anymore casualties like me off the JR thread.

[Peanutbutter29]

(snip)
OH -- note that the bulb says it is for 220V, 50 Hz -- but it works just fine with the above conditions! Someone asked about that; I think it was Jules. Here's the bulb I'd now recommend, Jules:
Cheap E27 1.5W 36 LED 252LM White Light LED Light Bulb AC180~240V;50HZ,5500~6000K | Everbuying.com
-- and only $8.93 each if you buy 2...
It does not put out the Lm/W advertised on-line, but at about 80 Lm/W measured in my light box, it is better than other LED bulbs I've tested (typically 55-65 Lm/W).
(snip)

I finally got in a few of these bulbs that was recommended above. Gosh, all this foreign stuff takes forever to get!

I noticed that these are dimmable bulbs, but rated for 180-220v, however as PhysicsProf says; 120v is enough to at least light them. I must say I'm extremely disappointed in the light from these of A/C.
*Note, I've ordered a 220v step-up transformer so I can get a more "full" light comparison; I think this will help (well I hope).

RESULTS:
Since we don't have a known lumens @ 120v, we have to make some assumptions on light and conversion factor. I did compare several Kelvin ratings to get an idea (since that's proven to be the DOMINATE factor in calibration factor variation). The 5000K daylight Utilitech are close, but not quite as blue; so the conversion WILL be different.

My best assumption then, is that conversion should be similar to these Utilitech then @ .156. I'll get a better idea when I can run at proper voltage.

-Bulb on line A/C 118v@ 10ma - 1.1w
Output: 45 Lumens (@.156 Daylight calib. Most likely)
Max possible 55 Lumens (@.201 using Inc. WW calib.)
Lu/W = 45.5 +/- (5) on 120v A/C

I'm sure this may be higher efficiency and more lumens with 220v, so I'll report back when I test there. Also, I don't want to try an SJR run until I can establish a conversion and lumens. Otherwise, these in A/C can't even work as a night light!!!!????? Shouldn't have ordered 3, lol.

With other aspects; I've almost got all the circuitry for the MASS CELL. Hopefully I can assemble a proto- pretty soon. After which, I'll most likely will show a video. Again, I'm not sure what I'll do after. Maybe others will have ideas once, "what it is"; is known.

Thx
PB

PS- I also tried my modded internal circuit with a few different transformers to see. Although it IS better than stock; I cannot get within 10 Lu/W of what the Radio shack and modded combo got. This does confirm that is a required and "tuned" setup; darn.
I had planned on doing a transformer run-down video also, but I'm not sure. I've tested most of the available designs (7-8?) and learned some there.

@ AllenBurgess
I assume you were talking to me. Thank you for an honest expression of your thoughts about me. I believe you are the first! As I've said, I encourage comments and debate.
I'm not sure how you ended up with the perception that I lack fundamentals or was being irrelevant at the cost of causing drama; Again I appreciate honesty first, I'm sorry if you feel that way. I've not hidden my knowledge or background, nor professed anything larger than being a nobody. I only have assumptions, but I don't expect I'm liked here or OU; no worries, this is nothing new as I've never fit in before and I didn't expect to now. Though, never been considered anything other than too nice; heh guess I've lost some compassion.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi minoly, thanks for kind words.
When I was using the diodes, I did not see any benefits with the diodes on E/B for charging, though each setup may vary.
peace love light
tyson

[100mpg]

I just went to Lowe's to buy one 7.5 watt, 450 lumen A19 Uitiltech bulb.

Testing against a Home Depot 8.6 watt, 430 lumen A19 Ecosmart bulb, the ecosmart is clearly brighter. The light from the ecosmart bulb is whiter & reading with the Ecosmart is easier as the text on the page seem sharper.

I was hoping the Uitilitech would win since I have about 60 light sockets in my home that would have saved me 60 wats of power if I ever had all my lights on at once. ( I never will )

So now on to radio shack to buy a new transformer as I blew the last one when I removed the pot & resister. I want to make first a 4 bulb system to power the lights in all of my 4 celing fans & in my kids bathroom as those fixtures hold four bulbs each. later I can work on my two five bulb chandlers & my 8 bulb over the sink bathroom light.

[NickZ]

I'm also working on tying the Exciter circuit to my homemade cells, and its working. But, so is solar, so maybe this is going to be a combination, as solar works fine during the day, and the cells work at all times. It's All fun, so we'll see how it goes.
I'm also interested in making Slayers version of the Lasersaber circuit, as it may be even more cost effective to run on fewer mAs, yet.
Nick

[totoalas]

hOME MADE BATTERY

Congratulations on your successful replication. My findings were the same about this beating the French inverter as far as a lighting device. Both are useful though. My little battery pack idea has worked out well for me also. It is just a simple power source solution that works.

I am now trying to build a homemade battery that will drive this thing. It can be done but the question is whether or not it is worth the effort.

It is just something fun to try.


Lidmotor

Hi Lidmotor
Thats what Im thinking also any kind as long as it WORKS
Ive read about marine type aluminum batteries they call it alum bath batteries using sea water as electrolyte
How about House ground or earth ground as Tesla says its every where
Your penny oscillator is a good starting point


totoalas

[Lidmotor]

Congratulations

The 2.0 joule ringer is a winner...my hat is off to you guys...i put a wall socket and switch box together with the radio shack 450mA transformer and two nights of bright light from lidmotors eightpack battery arrangement...its drawing about one hundred milliamps...not bad. Not bad at all it has the french inverter circuit beat by 200 milliamps however the transformer on the multivibrator inverter was the larger 3 amp 12 volt size...anyway great circuit got a pile of em now you guys are so much fun to learn from...Damon over and out.

Congratulations on your successful replication. My findings were the same about this beating the French inverter as far as a lighting device. Both are useful though. My little battery pack idea has worked out well for me also. It is just a simple power source solution that works.

I am now trying to build a homemade battery that will drive this thing. It can be done but the question is whether or not it is worth the effort.

It is just something fun to try.


Lidmotor

[100mpg]

This is my first post in this message board as well as this topic. I'v built the SJR2 at posted on YouTube by peanutbuter (wish I knew why you removed your account) Anyway, I got pulled from this project due to the untimely demise of my HVAC condenser fan motor.
I'm back on it now and I'm planing on using a standard radioshack 120vac to 12vdc transformer to power the SJR2. I don't know if it will preform well enough to save some watts in my 1,2,4,5,& 8 bulb systems around my house, but I will use my kill-a-watt meter to see if it does. I then plan to install jacks so that in the event of a long term power failure, I can then run them in standard 12 volt batteries.

For me it is about getting my whole house to use as few watts as possible before going solar.

However my attic insulation project is slowing down the conversions of lamps & light fixtures in my house.