Don't Kill Dipole

[Rebus57]

Thought's on Frequency

I've been thinking again (and we all know how dangerous that can be), even though we are using ELF to run crystal device (headwaters), when signal goes through the CC Tube breakbown gap it will most likley be a higher frequency due to the rapid interaction between opposing forces, of course it will always have the underlying harmonic of the origional signal in there somewhere. This should put the cloud around CC Rod at a more friendly frequency. That Tesla illumination stuff is something else! Good Stuff, you know he proposed a theory of putting towers around the perimeter of a city and create a "sheet dome" of light so at night no street lights are needed and no dark alley's, cool, use a dimmer make it adjustable. The man liked towers. Last more on the ferrite's, these are behaving like the CC Rod, they are ringing at the same frequency as the crystal device causing atmosphere around them to give us a small amount of "controlled destructive feedback", (I love that), which give's us enough current for our CC Tube operation and to run control circuit. This stuff will make your head explode, ya'll are right about this stuff being all consuming I guess it goes with the territory Tesla was all consumed almost to the point of being hermit like. This is why only a few times a year I can get into the zone and work on this stuff it is all consuming. With more people working on it maby more will get done world wide. Thanks for your time, Rebus57

[lamare]

Splitting the positive is just that. How many components does electricity have? 2 so far in my honest opinion. One of potential and one of movement. The potential part is self explanatory Potential=Voltage, Movement=Current. Well this also can be look at like real components as well. Where Voltage(potential)=static. Static=potential on a surface area.

Your post here was interesting to read. However, I think in fact there is no static potential. What we think of being potential is in fact a movement of even smaller particles we used to call ether. So, voltage is a measurement for the amount ether flowing around a certain surface area, which is much like a wing of an earoplane. It has a certain lift you could call "potential" but the actual force that creates the lift is a dynamic one caused by the movement of air around the wing.

[lamare]

I think this circuit is just a standard voltage booster.
It can light up the bulbs brighter, at the expense of higher current draw from the battery.
Usually, there is a diode between the collector of the transistor and the capacitor, but not absolutely necessary.

Oh, no my friend. This is a *very* interesting circuit if I understand this right. I don't have any sound on this PC so I can't hear anything the guy may say, put from what I see this guy does not use two separate coils, but a transformer, so his schematic is a bit off.

The coils in his transformer form one series resonance circuit along with the load, so you get the whole thing into one single resonance mode. The battery only has to deliver some power to keep the resonance going, but the current going trough the load never ends up in the battery circuitry, so no killing of the dipole.

Very, very interesting little toy! Well done!

[Slovenia]

Wow

Wow Rebus57, you have my full undivided attention!! I was even farther off on this Tesla stuff than I thought I was. Thanks for sharing all of this good information.

P.I.E., E.I.R. this is the first thing most people are taught in basic electronic's. Now let's have some fun. I needed to decide on size ,(electrically), so I ran a few number's and came up with, if it operate's at 4000 v and tube's and conductor's are sized for 30 amps, 4000X30=120,000 watt's, now this wattage can be used to figure final output amps at final output volt's 120,000w/120v=1000 amps. I figure Tesla's at 50,000w was also 120v this is 416+ amps, 50000w/746w(or 1 hp)=67hp. For his high voltage end I figure 2000v @ 25 amps because the insulation at the time topped out about that also current was managable. Now if we try to up our output voltage say to 277v (1 leg of 480 3 ph) we get 120000w/277v=433 amps WOW looks like mine will be 120v output. Why do you need to charge a battery ? With 1000a @ 120v available from a briefcase size device I don't see the need. Of course an isolation transformer can be used on output and device connected where your electric meter used to be, they most likley will try to stop us with "jammers" so don't be suprised by that, I expect it. also this could be built into every appliance so no cord is needed. Now for frequency. When Tesla first began experimenting with transmission he had real problems, seems the signal would not leave the tower (he was using lower freq) even raising the voltage only made it worse, all it would do is build up and back up into his equipment starting as he put it "numurous fires". This he could not explain. Undeterred he continued on gradually raising frequencies (and putting out fires) until finally he was at a high enough frequency that the effect was not very bad almost none. At this point is where he thought he won against nature and could use this range to transmit his power. In step's the controlling powers and he is shut out and down. Now Moray and friends have found some of Tesla's stuff talking about the harder he pushed on the atmosphere the harder it pushed back, I believe this is where this all started, of course the Moray device was primarily designed as a medical device so it used the beneficial freq. but they were too high and the counter emf from an inductive load would shut the device down, also I don't think his device had a trigger cir. it ran at the freq. of the headwaters. I read where Tesla visited Moray's lab and looked at and discussed the device before he made his. I believe Tesla used lower frequency's because when you push just a little they push back a lot. Tesla's was also a variable freq. output for motor speed control. The signal they were picking up was most likley found during Tesla's Colorado Spring's quest. Speaking of signal NO the tuning cir is not sensitive the signal itself might be kind of weak so we don't want to upset it or make it mad at us. Did someone say seperation? Yes you are right the CC Rod must be a distance from the headwaters to prevent the rod's field from blocking signal to headwaters. This is why the "two meter farily thick rod" was on the back of the car and not on the box. This could have been part of the problem with Moray's all the pics of his device show a long wire being used instead of a rod. P.S. Working on a new plan for schematics thank's for your patience, Rebus57

[dragon]

Passion - obsession ? Well organized mass confusion? Controlled destructive feedback seems to be the goal.
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LATINJANNE

[Jbignes5]

Good to hear I'm being missed.

Just for all clarity: I don't feel like anyone is stealing anything from me. We are all working for the single goal of providing mankind with the technology that has been stolen from us, because Tesla had all this stuff figured out years ago. So, all I try to do is share what I know or think to know, so everyone that feels like it can work further on it any way he or she may like. Do whatever you like, I have released all my stuff as open source exactly because I want people to be able to do with my stuff whatever they like.

And then some day, some one will come up with something working. When that happens, it would be my greatest pleasure if my article would turn out to be correct and/or would help to convince scientists there really is something to this stuff, so they can no longer pull the "perpetuum mobile" card to ridicule serious inventors.

The reason I have not been here for a while is because I tend to attach too much to a certain subject and then forget about everything else, which means that other things I have to do have not been done yet. So, when I thought I was at a point the principles were more or less clear, I decided it was time for a break. That's all. Looks like there are some interesting posts here I will check out, but I don't want to get drawn into this too much at the moment.

So, just continue doing what you like and make sure to have some fun! We'll get there when the time is right..

Yes All for one idea, one moment of clear thought and simplicity.

I certainly agree with you on the obsession twords this puzzle. I tend to focus too much time on it myself and my partner in life tries to remind me of that fact. She is a great gal.

I will be sticking to this until I find the way. I am glad you are here even if it isn't all the time a small amount of like thinking goes a long ways.

[Jbignes5]

If you read anything...

Try this on for size. This is Tesla's own words. From:

"On Light and Other High Frequency Phenomena"

"ON PHENOMENA PRODUCED BY ELECTROSTATIC FORCE

The first class of effects I intend to show you are effects produced by electrostatic force. It is the force which governs the motion of the atoms, which causes them to collide and develop the life-sustaining energy of heat and light, and which causes them to aggregate in an infinite variety of ways, according to Nature's fanciful designs, and to form all these wondrous structures we perceive around us; it is, in fact, if our present views be true, the most important force for us to consider in. Nature. As the term electrostatic might imply a steady electric condition, it should be remarked, that in these experiments the force is not constant, but varies at a rate which may be considered moderate, about one million times a second, or thereabouts. This enables me to produce many effects which are not producible with an unvarying force.

When two conducting bodies are insulated and electrified, we say that an electrostatic force is acting between them. This force manifests itself in attractions, repulsions and stresses in the bodies and space or medium without. So great may be the strain exerted in the air, or whatever separates the two conducting bodies, that it may break down, and we observe sparks or bundles of light or streamers, as they are called. These streamers form abundantly when the force through the air is rapidly varying. I will illustrate this action of electrostatic force in a novel experiment in which I will employ the induction coil before referred to. The coil is contained in a trough filled with oil, and placed under the table. The two ends of .the secondary wire pass through the two thick columns of hard rubber which protrude to solve height above the table. It is necessary to insulate the ends or terminals of the secondary heavily with hard rubber, because even dry wood is by far ton poor an insulator for these currents of enormous potential differences. On one of the terminals of the coil, I ,have placed a large sphere of sheet brass, which is connected to a larger insulated brass plate, in order to enable me to perform the experiments under conditions, which, as you will see, are more suitable for this experiment. I now set the coil to work and approach the free terminal with a metallic object held in my hand, this simply to avoid burns As I approach the metallic object to a distance of eight or tell inches, a torrent of furious sparks breaks forth from the end of the secondary wire, which passes through the rubber column. The sparks cease when the metal in my hand touches the wire. My arm is now traversed by a powerful electric current, vibrating at about the rate of one million times a second. All around me the electrostatic force makes itself felt, and the air molecules and particles of dust flying about are acted upon and are hammering violently against my body. So great is this agitation of the particles, that when the lights are turned out you may see streams of feeble light appear on some parts of my body. When such a streamer breaks out on any part of the body, it produces a sensation like the pricking of a needle. Were the potentials sufficiently high and the frequency of the vibration rather low, the skin would probably be ruptured under the tremendous strain, and the blood would rush out with great force in the form of fine spray or jet so thin as to be invisible, just as oil will when placed on the positive terminal of a Holtz machine. The breaking through of the skin though it may seem impossible at first, would perhaps occur, by reason of the tissues finder the skin being incomparably better conducting. This, at least, appears plausible, judging from some observations.

I can make these streams of light visible to all, by touching with the metallic object one of the terminals as before, and approaching my free hand to the brass sphere, which is connected to the second terminal of the coil. As the hand is approached, the air between it and the sphere, or in the immediate neighborhood, is more violently agitated, and you see streams of light now break forth from my finger tips and from the whole hand (Fig. 5/169). Were I to approach the hand closer, powerful sparks would jump from the brass sphere to my hand, which might be injurious. The streamers offer no particular inconvenience, except that in the ends of the finger tips a burning sensation is felt. They should not be confounded with those produced by an influence machine, because in many respects they behave differently. I have attached the brass sphere and plate to one of the terminals in order to prevent the formation of visible streamers on that terminal, also in order to prevent sparks from jumping at a considerable distance. Besides, the attachment is favorable for the working of the coil.

The streams of light which you have observed issuing from my hand are due to a potential of about 200,000 volts, alternating in rather irregular intervals, sometimes like a million times a second. A vibration of the same amplitude, but four times as fast, to maintain which over 3,000,000 volts would be required, would be mare than sufficient to envelop my body in a complete sheet of flame. But this flame would not burn me up; quite contrarily, the probability is ,that I would not be injured in the least. Yet a hundredth part of that energy, otherwise directed; would be amply sufficient to kill a person.

The amount of energy which may thus be passed into the body of a person depends on the frequency and potential of the currents, and by making both of these very great, a vast amount of energy may be passed into the body without causing any discomfort, except perhaps, in the arm, which is traversed by a true conduction current. The reason why no pain in the body is felt, and no injurious effect noted, is that everywhere, if a current be imagined to flow through the body, the direction of its flow would be at right angles to the surface; hence the body of the experimenter offers an enormous section to the current, and the density is very small, with the exception of the arm, perhaps, where the density may be considerable. Lout if only a small fraction of that energy would be applied in such a way that a current would traverse the body in the same manner as a low frequency current, a shock would be received which might be fatal. A direct or low frequency alternating current is fatal, I think, principally because its distribution through the body is not uniform, as it must divide itself in minute streamlets of great density, whereby some organs are vitally injured. That such a process occurs I have not the least doubt, though no evidence might apparently exist, or be found upon examination. The surest to injure and destroy life, is a continuous current, but the most painful is an alternating current of very low frequency. The expression of these views, which are the result of long continued experiment and observation, both with steady and varying currents, is elicited by the interest which is at present taken in this subject, and by the manifestly erroneous ideas which are daily propounded in journals on this subject.

I may illustrate an effect of the electrostatic force by another striking experiment, but before, I must call your attention to one or two facts. I have said before, that whet; the medium between two oppositely electrified bodies is strained beyond a certain limit it gives way and, stated in popular language, the opposite electric charges unite and neutralize each other. This breaking down of the medium occurs principally when the force acting between the bodies is steady, or varies at a moderate rate. Were the variation sufficiently rapid, such a destructive break would not occur, no matter how great the force, for all the energy would be spent in radiation, convection and mechanical and chemical action. Thus the spark length, or greatest distance which a spark will jump between the electrified bodies is the smaller, the greater the variation or time rate of change. But this rule may be taken to be true only in a general way, when comparing rates which are widely different.

I will show you by an experiment the difference in the effect produced by a rapidly varying and a steady or moderately varying force. I have here two large circular brass plates p p (Fig. 6a and Fig. 6b), supported on movable insulating stands on the table, connected to the ends of the secondary of a coil similar to the one used before. I place the plates ten or twelve inches apart and set the coil to work. You see the whole space between the plates, nearly two cubic feet, filled with uniform light, Fig. 6a. This light is due to the streamers you have seen in the first experiment, which are now much more intense. I have already pointed out the importance of these streamers in commercial apparatus and their still greater importance in some purely scientific investigations, Often they are to weak to be visible, but they always exist, consuming energy and modifying the action of .the apparatus. When intense, as they are at present, they produce ozone in great quantity, and also, as Professor Crookes has pointed out, nitrous acid. So quick is the chemical action that if a coil, such as this one, is worked for a very long time it will make the atmosphere of a small room unbearable, for the eyes and throat are attacked. But when moderately produced, the streamers refresh the atmosphere wonderfully, like a thunder-storm, and exercises unquestionably a beneficial effect.

In this experiment the force acting between the plates changes in intensity and direction at a very rapid rate. I will now make the rate of change per unit time much smaller. This I effect by rendering the discharges through the primary of the induction coil less frequent, and also by diminishing the rapidity of the vibration in the secondary. The former result is conveniently secured by lowering the E. M. F. over the air gap in the primary circuit, the latter by approaching the two brass plates to a distance of about three or four inches. When the coil is set to work, you see no streamers or light between the plates, yet the medium between them is under a tremendous strain. I still further augment the strain by raising the E. M. F. in the primary circuit, and soon you see the air give away and the hall is illuminated by a shower of brilliant and noisy sparks, Fig. 6b. These sparks could be produced also with unvarying force; they have been for many years a familiar phenomenon, though they were usually obtained from an entirely different apparatus. In describing these two phenomena so radically different in appearance, I have advisedly spoken of a "force" acting between the plates. It would be in accordance with the accepted views to say, that there was an "alternating E. M. F.", acting between the plates. This term is quite proper and applicable in all cases where there is evidence of at least a possibility of an essential inter-dependence of the electric state of the plates, or electric action in their neighborhood. But if the plates were removed to an infinite distance, or if at a finite distance, there is no probability or necessity whatever for such dependence. I prefer to use the term "electrostatic force," and to say that such a force is acting around each plate or electrified insulated body in general. There is an inconvenience in usin this expression as the term incidentally, means a steady electric condition; but a proper nomenclature will eventually settle this difficulty."

This is just a small percentage of information out there. There are very telling statements made from Tesla that can rock yours or any true truth seekers world.

[Slovenia]

PDF File of Rebus57 Pics

I made a pdf file for you all, but I can't get the Energetic Forum to upload the file for me. I tried three times yesterday and already once today. I don't know what gives with that. I cleared out some of my previous uploads so I could upload that. So, sorry about not being able to provide it for you.

[Slovenia]

Lamare Post

Great to hear from you Lamare!!

[lamare]

This thread is a continuation of Lamare's thread, "The Ultimate Secret of Free Energy". The main difference with this thread is that we are not limiting ourselves to either of the three devices such as that of Stanley Meyer, Gray, and/or Puharich. We are looking for simplification of the concept in this thread and want to build something easy to start with and then go from there. We are in the process of trying to come up with circuits that will give us a free energy device. So, feel free to jump in and help us here. This thread is all about building devices to help get us off-grid so that we won't have to pay for our electrical power ever again.

Lamare, we miss you!! We were not trying to steal your thunder with this thread.

Good to hear I'm being missed.

Just for all clarity: I don't feel like anyone is stealing anything from me. We are all working for the single goal of providing mankind with the technology that has been stolen from us, because Tesla had all this stuff figured out years ago. So, all I try to do is share what I know or think to know, so everyone that feels like it can work further on it any way he or she may like. Do whatever you like, I have released all my stuff as open source exactly because I want people to be able to do with my stuff whatever they like.

And then some day, some one will come up with something working. When that happens, it would be my greatest pleasure if my article would turn out to be correct and/or would help to convince scientists there really is something to this stuff, so they can no longer pull the "perpetuum mobile" card to ridicule serious inventors.

The reason I have not been here for a while is because I tend to attach too much to a certain subject and then forget about everything else, which means that other things I have to do have not been done yet. So, when I thought I was at a point the principles were more or less clear, I decided it was time for a break. That's all. Looks like there are some interesting posts here I will check out, but I don't want to get drawn into this too much at the moment.

So, just continue doing what you like and make sure to have some fun! We'll get there when the time is right..

[Slovenia]

Wow

Rebus57,

Wow, this is great stuff!!! We really appreciate all you share with us.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[Rebus57]

P.I.E. for all !!!

P.I.E., E.I.R. this is the first thing most people are taught in basic electronic's. Now let's have some fun. I needed to decide on size ,(electrically), so I ran a few number's and came up with, if it operate's at 4000 v and tube's and conductor's are sized for 30 amps, 4000X30=120,000 watt's, now this wattage can be used to figure final output amps at final output volt's 120,000w/120v=1000 amps. I figure Tesla's at 50,000w was also 120v this is 416+ amps, 50000w/746w(or 1 hp)=67hp. For his high voltage end I figure 2000v @ 25 amps because the insulation at the time topped out about that also current was managable. Now if we try to up our output voltage say to 277v (1 leg of 480 3 ph) we get 120000w/277v=433 amps WOW looks like mine will be 120v output. Why do you need to charge a battery ? With 1000a @ 120v available from a briefcase size device I don't see the need. Of course an isolation transformer can be used on output and device connected where your electric meter used to be, they most likley will try to stop us with "jammers" so don't be suprised by that, I expect it. also this could be built into every appliance so no cord is needed. Now for frequency. When Tesla first began experimenting with transmission he had real problems, seems the signal would not leave the tower (he was using lower freq) even raising the voltage only made it worse, all it would do is build up and back up into his equipment starting as he put it "numurous fires". This he could not explain. Undeterred he continued on gradually raising frequencies (and putting out fires) until finally he was at a high enough frequency that the effect was not very bad almost none. At this point is where he thought he won against nature and could use this range to transmit his power. In step's the controlling powers and he is shut out and down. Now Moray and friends have found some of Tesla's stuff talking about the harder he pushed on the atmosphere the harder it pushed back, I believe this is where this all started, of course the Moray device was primarily designed as a medical device so it used the beneficial freq. but they were too high and the counter emf from an inductive load would shut the device down, also I don't think his device had a trigger cir. it ran at the freq. of the headwaters. I read where Tesla visited Moray's lab and looked at and discussed the device before he made his. I believe Tesla used lower frequency's because when you push just a little they push back a lot. Tesla's was also a variable freq. output for motor speed control. The signal they were picking up was most likley found during Tesla's Colorado Spring's quest. Speaking of signal NO the tuning cir is not sensitive the signal itself might be kind of weak so we don't want to upset it or make it mad at us. Did someone say seperation? Yes you are right the CC Rod must be a distance from the headwaters to prevent the rod's field from blocking signal to headwaters. This is why the "two meter farily thick rod" was on the back of the car and not on the box. This could have been part of the problem with Moray's all the pics of his device show a long wire being used instead of a rod. P.S. Working on a new plan for schematics thank's for your patience, Rebus57

[sucahyo]

Third no access to scanner, my friend took the pic's for me with dig cam.

Can you post the original jpg ? I think gif format damage it.

By the way a diode seems at first glance the perfect thing to use until you realize several things, when using positive against positive a diode will not function, also I don't want half wave going to CCTube we want a polyphase effect between anode's so we have two opposing force's to interact to cause the "breakdown" I'm after. Also this is a very delicate signal we will be dealing with so we must treat it with "kid gloves" in the beginning we can't use a "hard circuit" we must allow "soft flow" circuit design no hard parts, I believe Tesla used resistors as diode's.

You didn't compare the output with diode version at the load part only, maybe AV Plug?

We can not use it to charge battery then?

By delicate do you mean you are using a very sensitive frequency adjustment tuning?

[Slovenia]

Thanks

Thanks Boguslaw!!

this thread name + Recursion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[boguslaw]

what is that thread name hmm ?
Recursion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia