Stingo Solid State Battery Charger

[Farmhand]

Hi all, I just realised I got the transformer back to front, the collector coil feeds the Series connected windings and the single winding is the secondary connected to the load, it's a step down transformer.

I did another test for a half hour and the source battery lost .02v this time. But the charging battery is charged. Now i'll discharge the batteries to 12.3v i'll use two good ones to test properly.

Sucahyo the battery charging still works good with the protection neons in there, they indicate the tuning is good. Also noticed the two neons at the side spark gap are good indicators of the output.

THe input is aprox 200 Ma at 12.6v thats 2.52 Watts.

I need to work out how much capacity I need to drop into the source battery and at what frequency and voltage to be able to have a self runner.

I did notice that as it went for a while the Discharges back to the source battery got quicker frequency and went for longer but it didn't seem to charge it, just stayed the same, like it's self leveling.

My source battery was already fully charged so maybe if it was discharged a bit it could charge it, i'll have to try it.

Cheers

[cikljamas]

Sucahyo, you have to have some stingo with trasformer on the
output or something like that to increase efficiency, or i am wrong ?

So, what is your estimation what output should i have with three
stingo and with 350 or 400 mA input if i have with one stingo and
350 mA of the input, 180 mA on the output ?

Now that i am infected with stingo efficiency i have to solve this
problem one way or another, if it does not work with more stingos
let s make it with transformer...

I put instead 500 K to all three stingo same resistors of 100 K,
and instead of two 10 K i put 68 K resistors, and just one stingo
has one pot in the place of 10 K pot., and it is not 10 K but 100 K
pot., so i described to you even these details in order to help you
to get a clue since i am left without further ideas...

And i noticed that 100 K resistors are very important, that is about
minimum value for that resistor, but also there could be resistor
with higher value, but not with lower...Yeah, i noticed that, searching
for answer how to improve my stingos efficiency, but there is not
much other components that we could adjust...So we come to the end
of that story...But, one day if i found out what cause this problem i
will certainly let you know !

I even ordered today several ksc 5027 since you said it is the best
npn option for stingo, and for about two weeks i will have them too,
to try stingo with this transistors, but i doubt that it could be that
missing link...It must be something much more trivial, but still
hidden from my power of understanding...

Well, sometimes we just have to wait, and when we do not expect
at all solution of the problem comes out surprisingly by itself

Cheers !

[sucahyo]

I can get it down to about 200 to 400 Ma input DMM won't work so thats with 5 Amp Analogue not very accurite it can also go up to 1.5 Amps input with arcing and stuff .

Yes, I also have problem measuring with DMM while sparking the output.

Thanks for the video and photos . Nice .

I see that you get sting a bit. I found that it only hurt if you make yourself as spark gap. as long as you don't connect as parallel capacitor, it won't hurt.


I wonder why your microphone pick the sing louder when there is no spark. It must not be auto gain since it is very instantly.

Battery charging isn't working too well, the protection neons are lit so maybe i can charge with it the normal way as well.

Edit ! yay I got it to charge batteries now too and it's fast With Stingo like this the power is back to front I turn the pot which usually makes it use more power and it uses less there is a "range where the protection neons go out and the battery is charging then.

How about removing the protection neon when charging?

Today I began winding the torroid. It's a hell of a job Been winding it about 2hours now. Hope I did not use a thick gauge now

We all have that moment .

In fact, when you see my combiner you will see everything because you know how this thing works, if anything was wrong than you would/could notice that in that picture of my combiner, am i right ?

This is puzzling, you do it correctly. Your photos show correct combiner, only missing wires and diode from the ground.

Now the only thing left is to make sure that all stingo run if you connect it that way. Set all three 500K pot in the middle setting (or remove the two) and connect the stingo power one by one.

Nice that you change all the diode to 2 Amp . You should observe more output power with higher input.

Hi all, I think i've got something very interesting, it's a bit soon to say, but I think i've got a self runner/charger that charges another battery and does wireless or one wire lighting to a degree and I think I can harvest more yet.

Congratulation for that. I hope you can improve it more .

I'll leave it run for a couple of hours to see what happens, but I got to find a battery to charge, I had to stop it because the charging battery is charged.

I I have that kind of moment too, I want to run stingo but all the battery had been charged lol...

Very early days yet need an extended test problems will arise for sure, I will try it with a busted bulb for a spark gap if I can find one. That might help. Any other idea's for a durable very small spark gap, I tried a neon but it's not as good for some reason. A better way to pulse the energy back to primary would be handy too.

I have been thinking of this but I can't do it right now, it won't spark at 3V input. Becarefull, this has high potential to break the transistor and anything else connected to the battery. We can't use protection neon since it will kill the spark gap.



I find dead lightbulb to be similar to very small spark gap. I find it can run on much lower input.

I think very small spark gap force the production of DC arc like I obtained before with 18V input. DC arc is known to produce anomalous result in glow discharge literature.

Oh and I forgot to say I am using a 3 to 1 transformer after the symetrical series caps, to charge the electrolytic cap to pulse back to the source battery.

Nice idea to use neon to pulse it . So when the neon turn on, the source battery get charged?

[Farmhand]

Here's the new video.

YouTube - Charging Setup Volcano.wmv

It's just done, enjoy.

Note. The charging battery in that vid is not a good battery and doesn't charge right up at any time.

Also it's not very accurite to measure the battery voltage while the setup is running because of interference, the meter i was using is the only one will give a reading the others make no sense just random numbers and blankouts.

[Farmhand]

Thanks Farmhand !
Well, now i must to put you a few questions..
That ignition coil, where i should search to provide that ?
Volcano coil, that is something homemade i suppose ?
In that drawing there is no 3 to 1 transformer, you should add that too
for us suckers !
And how to recognize 3 to 1 transformer, could you express it in voltages ?

I hope too ,you are making something really marvellous !

1. The ignition coil is just any old ignition coil with a cap on it.

2. Yeah Volcano coil is what I call it, its a Bifilar conical coil. I made mine from a garden solar light lenz, then wound the coils on it, just roughly one at a time, glued with hot glue. best results to keep the coils about 10 mm apart.

3. The three to one tranformer is one I made, it's a Quadfilar coil (for windings) One as primary and the other three serise connected Tesla Style Positive to negative. I will add it to the drawing tonight. The next video shows it working in the recovery mode. I do things a bit backwards I make it first then draw it I can't draw every stage of evolution.

I can see it will self run but not sure if it will charge the source battery over 12.9v or so I don't think with the recovery method i'm using that is possible, but it is very interesting and promising. And Can be fun when the juice is turned up.

I have it now using maybe 180Ma t0 240 Ma it;s very hard to tell, without a proper analogue meter. Video soon !!

Cheers

[cikljamas]

cikljamas, Don't worry everything is already shared, I am uploading a video now and will make an updated drawing tonight, I didn't want to post too many drawings because I am changing it every 5 minuits .

Just did another short test and lost a bit on the source battery trying different tuning, but it still ended up .02v higher than first start this morning.

I'm not jumping to any conclusions yet thats for sure, I wont be lighting any 150 watt bulbs with it. It's very hard to explain without going round and round in circles and tying myself in a knot. You'll get it it's not complicated just a bit strange.

Seamonkey, Thank you very much again. I haven't looked at it yet but i'm sure it will be good.




Edit cikljamas Have a look at this for now -
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...001.JPG?psid=1

A few posts back there are a couple of picture's and a video.

Thanks Farmhand !
Well, now i must to put you a few questions..
That ignition coil, where i should search to provide that ?
Volcano coil, that is something homemade i suppose ?
In that drawing there is no 3 to 1 transformer, you should add that too
for us suckers !
And how to recognize 3 to 1 transformer, could you express it in voltages ?

I hope too ,you are making something really marvellous !

Cheers!

[crackahcrackah]

Update- After resting both batteries for 30 mins souce battery is 12.82v it started at 12.76v, the charging battery is at 6.42v it started at 5.5v and that is after only about 10 mins operation. Oh my goodness. I think i found some gold. Very early days yet need an extended test problems will arise for sure, I will try it with a busted bulb for a spark gap if I can find one. That might help. Any other idea's for a durable very small spark gap, I tried a neon but it's not as good for some reason. A better way to pulse the energy back to primary would be handy too.

Oh and I forgot to say I am using a 3 to 1 transformer after the symetrical series caps, to charge the electrolytic cap to pulse back to the source battery.

Run all these tests with capacitors in place of the batteries to make sure you're not encountering issues with the batteries. Capacitors are more accurate and don't have the bounce back and fluctuation that batteries do.

[Farmhand]

cikljamas, Don't worry everything is already shared, I am uploading a video now and will make an updated drawing tonight, I didn't want to post too many drawings because I am changing it every 5 minuits .

Just did another short test and lost a bit on the source battery trying different tuning, but it still ended up .02v higher than first start this morning.

I'm not jumping to any conclusions yet thats for sure, I wont be lighting any 150 watt bulbs with it. It's very hard to explain without going round and round in circles and tying myself in a knot. You'll get it it's not complicated just a bit strange.

Seamonkey, Thank you very much again. I haven't looked at it yet but i'm sure it will be good.

Cheers

Edit cikljamas Have a look at this for now -
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...001.JPG?psid=1

A few posts back there are a couple of picture's and a video.

[SeaMonkey]

...
Any other idea's for a durable very small spark gap, I tried a neon but it's not as good for some reason. A better way to pulse the energy back to primary would be handy too.
...

Go to the bottom of THIS PAGE for an innovative alternative
to a spark gap.

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[cikljamas]

Farmhand, give us diagram of your gold device, i understand almost
nothing what you are talking about ...So if you have found the gold
than it would be better to give us diagram before you became sure that
it is what you, for now, just THINK it is...Because once you become sure
i am not sure you are going to give us all details about it just like that
...No, i am just joking, i am sure you would give us your gold, though
maybe we are not deserve it...
Cheers !

[Farmhand]

Hi all, I think i've got something very interesting, it's a bit soon to say, but I think i've got a self runner/charger that charges another battery and does wireless or one wire lighting to a degree and I think I can harvest more yet.

I've got the setup using only about 250.Ma maybe less and the totally separate collecter coil is output through symetrical series caps through a bridge and charging a 220v 200uf cap which is feeding the source battery through a neon every 10 seconds it drops a few volts from 78v aprox to 70v aprox, source battery voltage is rising 12.76v to start and after 5 mins 12.8 v after stopping ( I think it is getting feedback aswell somehow to the source battery when tuned correctly), then I have a battery charging from a diode in the standard recovery from stingo, it's 6v at the moment and is gong over 7.6 volts also neons and fluro's are lighting one wire or just grounded fluro's aren't very bright though.

I've tuned it down to a very small spark gap back to the negative, no top spark. It's fairly quiet like that and minimal interference, the output can be adjusted by very small adjustments to the spark gap distance. The top air gap needs to be adjusted to suit as well ( a one off when top gap is right for the coil no more adjustment needed).

I will make a video later today when I get time and a proper drawing aswell later. I'll leave it run for a couple of hours to see what happens, but I got to find a battery to charge, I had to stop it because the charging battery is charged.

Cheers all

Update- After resting both batteries for 30 mins souce battery is 12.82v it started at 12.76v, the charging battery is at 6.42v it started at 5.5v and that is after only about 10 mins operation. Oh my goodness. I think i found some gold. Very early days yet need an extended test problems will arise for sure, I will try it with a busted bulb for a spark gap if I can find one. That might help. Any other idea's for a durable very small spark gap, I tried a neon but it's not as good for some reason. A better way to pulse the energy back to primary would be handy too.

Oh and I forgot to say I am using a 3 to 1 transformer after the symetrical series caps, to charge the electrolytic cap to pulse back to the source battery.

[cikljamas]

I forgot to say that i even replaced 1n4007s with 1n5408s on my stingos
too, not just on the combiner...

[cikljamas]

Yes.

Forget about efficiency for a moment and please answer this question:
- what is the output current of your three stingo while charging the battery?
- what is the output current of your single stingo while charging the battery?
- what is the input current of your three stingo while charging the battery?
- do you use big diode? It is very important for you to use more than 2 Amp diode.
- can you show your FWBR cominer photos?
- do you connect your circuit like this bellow? This incorporate three stingo which you already have, and you need to rebuild the FWBR to connect like shown.

Hi Sucahyo !
Let s answer your questions one by one :

1. Output of my three stingos while charging the batt. = 180mA (input 340)
2. Output of my single stingo while charging the batt. = 180mA (input 350)
You see : this 10 mA difference (340-350) is too little to be consider as
anything significant, that is the problem that i am talking about....
3. Regarding diodes, i used until today 1n4007s, but after i today saw
your notice about minimum requirement of 2 Amps i went to store and
bought bunch of 1n5408 and i of course at once tested them hoping that
this was the problem, but unfortunately nothing happened, maybe some
slightly, slightly improvement that i can not even register with my meters...
4. picture of my combiner :

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7060&stc=1&d=1290811938

5.Yes, i combine my circuit like this above !
In fact, when you see my combiner you will see everything because you
know how this thing works, if anything was wrong than you would/could
notice that in that picture of my combiner, am i right ?

Finally, stingo is superb, i am not disappointed at all, but of course that
i would be even more content and after all these problems HAPPY, if we
could solve this problem of NOT RAISING EFFICIENCY connecting more
stingo together !
It is also kind of contradicting to common sense that more stingos dont
give more power than single one...
I just do not know what else i could do to solve this problem.
The only one solution is to wait and see if Father of stingo could figure out
what is wrong here.

Rgds !

[Guruji]

winding the torroid

Today I began winding the torroid. It's a hell of a job Been winding it about 2hours now. Hope I did not use a thick gauge now

[Farmhand]

Here's another vid and a drawing or two.

YouTube - Volcano-3-1.wmv





More pics





It's still getting better i've got a flashing neon on the collector coil output now.

Cheers