Stingo Solid State Battery Charger

[Farmhand]

Yes I think it did really improve my neck pain or lessen it I mean to say.

I had the HV from the car coil connected to one conical coil on one side then the air gap between the two tops then on the other side the end of the conical coil was put really close to the common negative of the car coil so to make a very small spark gap an the side but a sparkless air gap at the top, I used a neon aswell for the side spark gap and a blown bulb, both were better for maintainance free use, the very small spark gap was better for output to recover to source battery from the collector coil.

What about a SIDAC device would that work, it would be good to get the benifits without the troublesome spark gap, the sparkless one is fine but the sparking one is a bit of a nuisence.

I have a couple of idea's to try on the conical air gap setup yet but it'll have to wait for a week or two.

Cheers

[sucahyo]

I've touched the HV terminal and stuff a few times by accident and it's just like a buzzer. I wouldn't do it on purpose though.

I do it on purposes a couple of time. reason see bellow.

I noticed that if I use a steel core in my recovery transformer it's not as good air core seems much more often discharge.

Yes .

So whats the best PNP transistor is there one like ksc5027 like a match for it ? A complimentory one I think is the word.

I have been looking for that too. PNP seems to be most vulnerable. even TIP2955 still as weak.

I use fan cooling too.

Is that how Tesla did his sparkless air gap ?

Many expert are already trying to explain that but I don't see a satisfying explanation yet.

Many university researcher use arc that is sparkless. Many observe anomalous heat. There are also those who report transmutation. Paulo Correa notice 5 times gain.

There is current, it usually noticed by faint glow in negative electrode. To get gain, it must be DC, so only one electrode will glow.

My take for this is the sparkless air gap absorb some aether with it.

Thank you very much for this post. I have been searching for an alternative to air spark gaps as well. Here are some possibilities from the section "devices used to suppress transients" in "practical electronics for inventors"

I don't understand, how we can use it?

Could we see that toroid, it must be something interesting ?What is efficiency of that stingo with two toroid ?

Nothing unusual. between 50% to 75% depend on load.



After rereading you post, I found this weird:
"1. Output of my three stingos while charging the batt. = 180mA (input 340)
2. Output of my single stingo while charging the batt. = 180mA (input 350)"

How can that be? If all three of them running, then the input current must be at least tripple?

If it do not consume more then the other stingo must be dead.

Try this. Disconnect all stingo from the bridge and use neon bulb only each.


The input must be tripple if all three neon output litted up.

If all three produce output, then connect them to combiner one by one.

I finished winding my toroid but it's giving me 0.7ohms could not put more on it. Toroid is full. Hope this would be good.
Regarding spark gaps I read that they emit X rays so be aware guys for your health.

I think it work too, although may not be able to run high frequency.

Is that true about the X-rays? I thought that too but then an electrical engineer friend of mine said that X-rays can only be produced in a vacuum.

Jbignes5, Thanks for all that info, now i'm officially spooked out, sounds dangerous, I think i'll set it aside for a while and have a think about it,

Funny thing is my neck problem feels a bit better, probably just another coincidence. There is a lot to be learned by experiment unfortunately it's difficult to express in words some things observed.

I gotta put this aside and go beck to some other things, enough spark gap action for one week. I think I will limit myself to a couple of hours a week near a spark gap, it does make me feel a bit woozy.

First please mention to which part you connect the car coil common terminal? For now I highly suggest everyone to only connect the car coil common terminal to battery positive.

Then for Xray. Anyone ever heard Tesla Violet Ray device? That is a popular health device (before world war) that use spark to heal people. You expose the skin to the violet spark gap, heal the ozone, sting your self, etc. It is based from Tesla design.

I don't think that what Farmhand experience is a coincidence. That may be the result from spark gap healing property. I really like to know how you connect the common terminal...Because it is possible that we can only observe healing effect with common terminal connect to NPN, at the cost of producing headache if you use it too long.

I believe that using spark gap for healing is approved or even encouraged by Tesla. This is what I mean by implementing Tesla from different direction.

I wouldn't worry about Xray. Tesla die at old age even after years of being exposed to the world most violent spark gap.

If I do not worry about power consumption or transistor heat, I wouldnt doubt to use spark gap in my house near my family to run it all day long. But only when the car coil common terminal connect to source battery positive. From hours of running it at office, no one complain, in fact everyone feel better.

Sucahyo, I had the regular battery charging from stingo wrong, but I have it worked out now, when I get the charging battery connected properly the other outputs go down a fair bit, good charging though.

Yes, the output will be split between charged battery and the HV part. If the output is low you may only get one without other. It is a good achievement if you can do both at the same time.

[SeaMonkey]

If they can be produced in vacuum why not in air too. X rays can be stopped by lead only they say and they pass from any medium.
I read about spark gaps on a file link presented in this forum. This guy was a russian scientist if I'm remembering rightly.

This Page has some safety tips for arc welding.

The "rays" produced can be quite harmful
by direct exposure.

[Guruji]

X rays

Is that true about the X-rays? I thought that too but then an electrical engineer friend of mine said that X-rays can only be produced in a vacuum.

If they can be produced in vacuum why not in air too. X rays can be stopped by lead only they say and they pass from any medium.
I read about spark gaps on a file link presented in this forum. This guy was a russian scientist if I'm remembering rightly.

[Farmhand]

7imix

Is that true about the X-rays? I thought that too but then an electrical engineer friend of mine said that X-rays can only be produced in a vacuum.

I'm not sure about the x-rays maybe a kind of vacuum is created around the arc in certain conditions even in free air. I do notice that some types of light coming off the arc can burn your eyes a while afterward, like a very mild welding flash injury, i've had a few of those i'm a boilermaker/welder, by trade.
But I don't do that work anymore only for personal projects.

And it occurs to me that a welder is just another kind of spark gap, the very high frequencies would probably not occur in a normal welding operation. There are some welding machines that have a high frequency arc start function to eliminate contact contamination.

I would say that a spark gap sparking very brightly could do damage to the eye's the same way a welding machine can.

Cheers

[7imix]

I finished winding my toroid but it's giving me 0.7ohms could not put more on it. Toroid is full. Hope this would be good.
Regarding spark gaps I read that they emit X rays so be aware guys for your health.

Is that true about the X-rays? I thought that too but then an electrical engineer friend of mine said that X-rays can only be produced in a vacuum.

[Farmhand]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Farmhand
Sucahyo I still don't understand exactly how this works.

Can anyone tell me kinda what is happening with my setup? How does it complete the circuit with an air gap like that?

Is that how Tesla did his sparkless air gap ?

It's very strange I imagine there is an ionised path there between the terminals of the air gap so potential can pass but there is not enough current flow for spark .

I wonder what sort of frequency it has. I can get the small spark gap so small it sounds like whistling air. Thats when the charging is best and least draw.

I think the best I will get is very slow drop on the source battery, at least how it is anyway, one thing left is that the collector coil is two wires parallel if i connect them in series the coil will be twice as long. Yeah i'll try that.

Any idea's welcome, even the wierd one's i'll consider them all.

I think I need to make a different conical coil too one for high frequency, with thinner wire and more coils and no reverse of direction at the top.

Anyway i'll mess about some more.

Cheers

Get two small magnets, preferably neo's. Strap on onto each side of the spark gap. Poles should be in attraction mode, north to south. This should make your gap run super fast with multiples of switches per sec over what you have now. This type of gap should replace your transitors for switching the high voltage. You will need the trannies for the beginning to get the high voltage but after the coil you only need the gap to multiply the frequency.

The gap that does not fire but still allows the connection is exactly what Tesla figured out with his multiple gap setups. He could still get the oscillations but there was no damage to the electrodes or loud sounds from that setup. I believe the frequency is so high that the gap can not fire but still transfers the energy to the rest of the setup.

Let me be the first to say that you should take care in experimenting with this kind of setup. Not only could you expose yourself to RF energy but you can also expose yourself to microwave energies when the frequency rises. I have been reading about what the frequency would be in the range that a magnet can interrupt the spark. This would be in the Terahertz range or 10^12 range of frequency. This area is the top of the microwave and the lower infrared frequency ranges. This is what they call the magic area and has many different qualities if you enter that range. Like I said please be very careful of not exposing yourself to these energy fields for extended times. RF burns can be very deep and not apparent after being exposed to the RF field

Jbignes5, Thanks for all that info, now i'm officially spooked out, sounds dangerous, I think i'll set it aside for a while and have a think about it, i've learned a bit about what I can do so now i'll have a think about some different ways to do some things, I don't have any neo's but i'll try to get some, all up I only ran it for an hour or three. Funny thing is my neck problem feels a bit better, probably just another coincidence. There is a lot to be learned by experiment unfortunately it's difficult to express in words some things observed.


7imix,

The next post I make will talk about air spark gap alternatives...

Awsome i'll be watching.

Sucahyo, I had the regular battery charging from stingo wrong, but I have it worked out now, when I get the charging battery connected properly the other outputs go down a fair bit, good charging though.

I gotta put this aside and go beck to some other things, enough spark gap action for one week. I think I will limit myself to a couple of hours a week near a spark gap, it does make me feel a bit woozy.

Thanks for all the info guys.

Cheers

[Guruji]

toroid winding

I finished winding my toroid but it's giving me 0.7ohms could not put more on it. Toroid is full. Hope this would be good.
Regarding spark gaps I read that they emit X rays so be aware guys for your health.

[cikljamas]

No. My charger use two toroid without secondary. It work the same way with air core or iron core transformer.

Could we see that toroid, it must be something interesting ?
What is efficiency of that stingo with two toroid ?

I tried today my last attempt to find out what is going on with my
three stingo combiner and i noticed that maybe nothing is wrong
with my stingo combiner but the problem might be my interpretation
of stingo efficiency and how i measured it...Other problem could be
the fact that i removed those pots, so i brought myself in even worse
situation regarding accuracy of measurement...I mean, if you measure
three stingo efficiency in range between 200 - 500 mAmps it is not
enough to see benefits of more stingos...

But, doing this last attempt i noticed something very, very weird, and
i think that there is great possibility that even you do not know about
that. And if you know it is going to be very interesting to here your
explanation for that.
That weird discovery is this : If you disconnect all R (stingo outputs)
except one, nothing happens, it means that you can adjust your three
or four stingo combiner with all pots on all stingos having just one
stingo output (for instance R1) connected to charging battery positive !!!
It seems impossible and stupid but it is as say ! Try if you do not believe
me and you will see that i am right !
And if i was not clear : the thing is that mAmps (input and output) stay
the same (no changing at all) when you disconnect all but just one stingo
output, nothing happens !
But it is recommended to connect all outputs just in case that something
happens with one of three or four stingo output connections, but it is not
necessary !

But the question remains : How can it be ?
So much diodes for nothing ?
But stingo is great, this discovery can not overshadow stingo greatness !
I am just very surprised with that discovery,but nothing more than that !

Cheers !

[7imix]

Go to the bottom of THIS PAGE for an innovative alternative
to a spark gap.

Modern Technology at work...

Thank you very much for this post. I have been searching for an alternative to air spark gaps as well. Here are some possibilities from the section "devices used to suppress transients" in "practical electronics for inventors"

Zener diodes
Transient voltage supressor diodes (one of these is used in one of Don Smith's schematics)
Metal oxide varistor
Multiple layer varistor
Surgector
Avalanche diode
Gas discharge and spark gap tvs
Polyswitches

[7imix]

Sucahyo I still don't understand exactly how this works.

Can anyone tell me kinda what is happening with my setup? How does it complete the circuit with an air gap like that?

Is that how Tesla did his sparkless air gap ?

It's very strange I imagine there is an ionised path there between the terminals of the air gap so potential can pass but there is not enough current flow for spark .

I wonder what sort of frequency it has. I can get the small spark gap so small it sounds like whistling air. Thats when the charging is best and least draw.

This is a dark mode plasma discharge. Electricity is flowing through the ionized plasma between the spark gap but not enough to cause light or heat or much sound, which is just wasted energy and should be minimized. I showed one of my spark gaps operating in dark mode in one of my videos... The one-wire video I think...

The higher the frequency the better. Above audible frequency is probably best, although it might be difficult to achieve with a car coil (iron core remagnetizes too slowly) and an air gap (voltage required to jump the gap is too high, requiring a big transformer that's probably too slow because of iron core)

The next post I make will talk about air spark gap alternatives...

[Jbignes5]

Try this...

Sucahyo I still don't understand exactly how this works.

Can anyone tell me kinda what is happening with my setup? How does it complete the circuit with an air gap like that?

Is that how Tesla did his sparkless air gap ?

It's very strange I imagine there is an ionised path there between the terminals of the air gap so potential can pass but there is not enough current flow for spark .

I wonder what sort of frequency it has. I can get the small spark gap so small it sounds like whistling air. Thats when the charging is best and least draw.

I think the best I will get is very slow drop on the source battery, at least how it is anyway, one thing left is that the collector coil is two wires parallel if i connect them in series the coil will be twice as long. Yeah i'll try that.

Any idea's welcome, even the wierd one's i'll consider them all.

I think I need to make a different conical coil too one for high frequency, with thinner wire and more coils and no reverse of direction at the top.

Anyway i'll mess about some more.

Cheers

Get two small magnets, preferably neo's. Strap on onto each side of the spark gap. Poles should be in attraction mode, north to south. This should make your gap run super fast with multiples of switches per sec over what you have now. This type of gap should replace your transitors for switching the high voltage. You will need the trannies for the beginning to get the high voltage but after the coil you only need the gap to multiply the frequency.

The gap that does not fire but still allows the connection is exactly what Tesla figured out with his multiple gap setups. He could still get the oscillations but there was no damage to the electrodes or loud sounds from that setup. I believe the frequency is so high that the gap can not fire but still transfers the energy to the rest of the setup.

Let me be the first to say that you should take care in experimenting with this kind of setup. Not only could you expose yourself to RF energy but you can also expose yourself to microwave energies when the frequency rises. I have been reading about what the frequency would be in the range that a magnet can interrupt the spark. This would be in the Terahertz range or 10^12 range of frequency. This area is the top of the microwave and the lower infrared frequency ranges. This is what they call the magic area and has many different qualities if you enter that range. Like I said please be very careful of not exposing yourself to these energy fields for extended times. RF burns can be very deep and not apparent after being exposed to the RF field.

[Farmhand]

Sucahyo I still don't understand exactly how this works.

Can anyone tell me kinda what is happening with my setup? How does it complete the circuit with an air gap like that?

Is that how Tesla did his sparkless air gap ?

It's very strange I imagine there is an ionised path there between the terminals of the air gap so potential can pass but there is not enough current flow for spark .

I wonder what sort of frequency it has. I can get the small spark gap so small it sounds like whistling air. Thats when the charging is best and least draw.

I think the best I will get is very slow drop on the source battery, at least how it is anyway, one thing left is that the collector coil is two wires parallel if i connect them in series the coil will be twice as long. Yeah i'll try that.

Any idea's welcome, even the wierd one's i'll consider them all.

I think I need to make a different conical coil too one for high frequency, with thinner wire and more coils and no reverse of direction at the top.

Anyway i'll mess about some more.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Quote:

Originally Posted by cikljamas
I even ordered today several ksc 5027 since you said it is the best npn option for stingo, and for about two weeks i will have them too, to try stingo with this transistors, but i doubt that it could be that
missing link...It must be something much more trivial, but still hidden from my power of understanding...

Great . It is not the missing link but will provide huge boost .

I agree I am using one on my stingo and I see a better form from that side of the AC than the TIP32c side any tips for a better PNP? I burned one Tip32c already doing high volume spark experiments. The ksc5027 handled it ok though. I'm using small heat sinks, but for long time high volume hi AMP spark experiments I need a big sink, I got a 60mm x 60 mm heat sink from computer processor with fan already attached to big fins, I think I will drill and tap some holes for mounting two sets of parallel transistors for more current. Pots and all should fit on there, like what 7imix did.

I've touched the HV terminal and stuff a few times by accident and it's just like a buzzer. I wouldn't do it on purpose though.

I noticed that if I use a steel core in my recovery transformer it's not as good air core seems much more often discharge.

So whats the best PNP transistor is there one like ksc5027 like a match for it ? A complimentory one I think is the word.

Rgds

[sucahyo]

Sucahyo, you have to have some stingo with trasformer on the output or something like that to increase efficiency, or i am wrong ?

No. My charger use two toroid without secondary. It work the same way with air core or iron core transformer.

So, what is your estimation what output should i have with three stingo and with 350 or 400 mA input if i have with one stingo and 350 mA of the input, 180 mA on the output ?

Did you limit the input current? If not then if one stingo is 350ma, then three stingo consume about 900mA with output about 500mA.

I put instead 500 K to all three stingo same resistors of 100 K, and instead of two 10 K i put 68 K resistors, and just one stingo has one pot in the place of 10 K pot., and it is not 10 K but 100 K pot., so i described to you even these details in order to help you to get a clue since i am left without further ideas...

Thanks. The charger I have now combine two stingo and only one has 500K potentiometer. I remove the other 500K one.. don't replace it with smaller pot, remove it.

Start the one with 500K pot first. Then turn on the other one by one and see if you get more output.

And i noticed that 100 K resistors are very important, that is about minimum value for that resistor, but also there could be resistor with higher value, but not with lower...

The stingo range value will depend a lot on coil. But I agree that smaller range is better for charging application and toroid.

I even ordered today several ksc 5027 since you said it is the best npn option for stingo, and for about two weeks i will have them too, to try stingo with this transistors, but i doubt that it could be that
missing link...It must be something much more trivial, but still hidden from my power of understanding...

Great . It is not the missing link but will provide huge boost .


Make sure all three stingo run. I notice that I sometime have to touch some wire to allow them all to run. This is happen on some occasion but I don't keep mark of what cause it.

When I see the amp out is half of what expected, I began touching terminal....