Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[mr.clean]

i still believe there is benefit to using the coils, but i just think that there was a reason Don's briefcase had no inductors (according to him)
and the odd other devices using only capacitors (commercial mod and plasma tubes )

i plan to improve on my setup, and possibly go back to using coils if and when i find an increase using them (Kapanadze-style improvement)

im planning on the input set for 48 watts as i did for lighting the two 50 watt bulbs... but only power 1 bulb, and run the excess power to the source.

...but i have to clean up the output, or run it directly to a cap and battery?
that's a problem as my invertor shuts down when NST goes on
but i'll figure a way

[kenssurplus]

The idea is kind of like this, the plates would be all 1/4 circle segments, one
plate fixed and connected to the HV, two other plates opposite each other and
insulated form each other and connected to the primary windings of the
transformer by slip rings or such other way so that they can be spun in close
proximity to the fixed and charged capacitor plate, as the rotating plates passed
the capacitance sould increase to maximum then decline to nil when the next
one begins it's pass. There could be variations, maybe there could be two fixed
plates one positive and one negative. But the theory would be that energy
would be transferred to the rotating plates as they passed the fixed charged
plate and this could be stepped down and transformed to AC by the transformer. The plate spacing would depend on voltage.
This maybe not scaleable to 60 Hz. Just an idea. And by design very
dangerous, almost a rotary guillotine.

I would actually like to try this in small scale at high speed, but a certain
amount of engineering is involved and commitment.

This is my old drawing, it's a bit rough.



Level, I'm flattered, I think I have a "feel" for it but I'm not very technical, I
struggle with the numbers. I'ts nice to be able to connect up the big coil and
show people who haven't seen such things before.

Oh the coals and ash around the ground stake I used just because I thought
it might improve things.

Cheers

Are you meaning something like this?

[ctbenergy]

im planning on the input set for 48 watts as i did for lighting the two 50 watt bulbs... but only power 1 bulb, and run the excess power to the source.

...but i have to clean up the output, or run it directly to a cap and battery?
that's a problem as my invertor shuts down when NST goes on
but i'll figure a way

hi buddy, my NST running with pure sine wave inverter.

not a self runner, but maybe in the future
Don Smith Table Top Device Part 3 - YouTube

[level]

i plan to improve on my setup, and possibly go back to using coils if and when i find an increase using them (Kapanadze-style improvement)

im planning on the input set for 48 watts as i did for lighting the two 50 watt bulbs... but only power 1 bulb, and run the excess power to the source.

...but i have to clean up the output, or run it directly to a cap and battery?
that's a problem as my invertor shuts down when NST goes on
but i'll figure a way

I don't know that much about batteries, but the voltage being applied to the halogen bulb is probably fairly high voltage spikes that may be in the KV range at the voltage spike peaks. If you were to apply those HV spikes to a lead acid battery or gel cell, it might well damage the battery or maybe even cause the battery to explode, but I don't know enough about batteries to say for sure. It would be good if you can step down the voltage first. One way is to use a step down air core transformer tuned to resonate with the HV pulses, and then convert to DC, but you say that using your NST and sparkgap messes up your inverter and you would be back to using coils again as well. Off hand I can't think of an easy solution, but somebody else may have some other ideas. Something that really makes me wonder about Don Smith's devices is that the ones he showed all seemed to be incomplete in the sense of missing pieces that would make the extra power that is supposed to be generated usable. I mean 3000VDC to 7000VDC is not a useable form of voltage output. That's why I would be inclined to step the voltage down as AC to a suitable voltage first and then convert to DC, but that doesn't seem to be the way Don Smith did it on his dual coil device. He apparently converted to high voltage DC, and that was the output on that demo board. It doesn't seem to make sense...

[mr.clean]

hi buddy, my NST running with pure sine wave inverter.

not a self runner, but maybe in the future
Don Smith Table Top Device Part 3 - YouTube

cool man, keep going

[mr.clean]

Hello Zilano!
I'm in process of building Don Smith board device.
Could you please clarify quick question for me. I read all the forum through and studied ur older deleted posts but could not find the information.

Looking at Don Smith board device the secondary coil with 17+17 turns has CW winding direction.

What winding direction does have primary L1 coil with 5 turns? CW or CCW?

Thank you!

A.

hi Al
Dynatron has posted his build and he winds all CW i believe, it's a matter a phase.
if you wind cw primary, and then ccw secondary, they are phased 180, if cw secondary, then In phase with primary.
Of course there is a slight lag, but anyway. i have found that it doesnt matter, it does matter with the secondaries tho,
i phase the secondaries together to parallel them +-+-, whereas Don and Dynatron have them +--+.
That works great if your diodes can effectively deal with the volts, current, and switching speed
On my large double helix board from vid 30A, i have added now 3 parallel diodes each rated 30kv20mA... and they still are failing HOT... (that's 1800 watts!)
and still overheating and flaming out!

So i have given the smaller scale a try, but personally having better luck with secondaries separately tuned and parallel connected...

...that all being said, forget the coils, and read back a few pages
Best performance yet, with no coils... and ~resonance~ is still involved

Although i may use step down trafo

[mr.clean]

i dont meant to toot my own horn, but in case anyone missed these.
I present Don's "commercial model" concept design...
part1
42A Don Smith Device: Simplifying - YouTube
part2
42B Don Smith Device: further understanding - YouTube

[mr.clean]

question

hey i just noticed something very cool

i ran the recent system for about 10 minutes, running 2 of the DC 50 watt bulbs, and have a 10 watt 1 ohm resistor in-line with the supply, and one also in-line with the load...

...the load resistor is RED HOT and the supply resistor is slightly warm.

shouldnt both resistors be the same??.....

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5757/imagenxpa.jpg

[African]

Hi
You can do what you want if you don’t understand how the atom works, you will never get it right you have to nock off electrons from the atom to get free energy
Maybe if you study that we could get better results
Best to all

[level]

Hi
You can do what you want if you don’t understand how the atom works, you will never get it right you have to nock off electrons from the atom to get free energy
Maybe if you study that we could get better results
Best to all

Hi African. When using a high voltage to create corona discharge, this is basically accelerated ionization or electron avalanche. Ionization occurs when electrons are stripped from atoms. When electrons recombine with ions, energy is released. A sparkgap discharge causes a lot of ionization.
Mechanism of Corona Discharge

[rosehillworks]

@Mr.clean Thank you for posting a schematic of your circuit .

[African]

on that subjecj

There is materials that you can bombard with high voltage sparks and they would react by creating more electrons and every one will knock more of it,it becomes a knock on efeect it is called the Townsend discharge, look and you will find Dont shoot the messanger

best regards

[mr.clean]

this is a must-see...
Eric Dollard 2007 Presentation - Misconceptions of Electricity and More - YouTube

JJ Thompson and Steinmetz came to the same conclusion that the conductor does not conduct, it translates the electrostatic and magnetic.
And Maxwell figured out that electricity flows in the insulators, not the conductor.
i may have the odd thing wrong, i dont claim to know exactly what the human eye cannot see, but those are some of the experts.

i dont mean to sound rude, but it sounded like unconstructive criticism... if im doing something wrong "and not understand the atom"... then what is the correct method?
hehe offer a solution, rather than a problem

[African]

MR Clean

I have tried some projects but no luck at this time, i did however followed yours and i am very impressed with what you have achieved so please forgive me if i gave you the wrong idea it was not in anyway to take away from what you have done it is only to ad another perspective to some possible things
Best Johan

[mr.clean]

@Mr.clean Thank you for posting a schematic of your circuit .

no problem im pretty happy with it