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HANS VON LIEVEN - Hans Von Lieven is a clever man...

Anyway, there is no "guy" who can replicate the water heater or their quantum device simply because the challenge of cutting and tuning the crystals to balance would be an insurmountable mountain to any normal man with little time and money. Remember nano engineering, what is the cost and complexity of one such cutting machine??.... Different level, that is all. And Witts must change marketing strategy if they are going to get any sort of success.

This is the reason why you all believe this is a scam - "nobody" knows which kind of mountains Mr Keely and Witts climbed, start educating yourself is my advice. This is always the best medicine. How do you think Mr Moray achieved his results? Well, Keely(interpreted by crystal vibrations and modern electronics instead of acoustic sympathy which demands unhuman precision) here we go again.

Times are getting interesting, that is for sure. When there are more educated people(and they are growing quickly these days thanks to the web) we can finally end the miserable status quo. The story with NSA and Mylow gives us a clue of what is happening out there, still today.... And they are not advanced or strategic when they go after a truck driver with no means at all...

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News from Witts:

Timothy Thrapp of WITTS and the 'dominant energy' field


Anyone ready to learn more?

[dambit]

The way these people (witts) go about promoting themselves does reek of a scam. Having said that, I am familiar with much of Keeley's work and the water heater they show does have a lot of similarities to many of Keeley's common design elements. This could be done on purpose to make people think it is Keeley inspired, or it could be because it works and that is just the way it looks.

Bottom line is this, the intellectual diode analogy seems to fit and unless they give something, they will always be labeled a scam.

Lets face it, if they had even one of these devices working they would not need donations. Case closed.


Cheers,

Steve.

[ashtweth]

Giving money to Thrapp

NO comment

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@Dambit; IF(Keely is far from easy) you are familiar with Keely you would know his original devices demand an unhuman mechanical precision to achieve stable resonance and balance between the tripolar energies by tones, geometries, rotation and (con)chords. That is why nobody has ever managed to copy his machines, they all have to use crystals and electronics. Keely is seen as a scam because he was truly beyond anyone.

Witts water heater crystals are cut by hand and tuned during several months by many people. Crystals are damned difficult to tune. And a machine to cut them with the right precision costs many many MUSD(nano cutting machines). In fact Witts once got money for the machine but the MIB destroyed the factory. If that happens again the next time, well, it is not unlikely.... But maybe by that time the headlines after that action will make it a real success for FE anyway... I assume Witts use crystals in most of their FE devices like their quantum device.


Just donate 20 USD and have a look at the stories from famous engineers and scientists. Those guys(pHDs, R&D bosses of Fortune 500 companies etc, etc) with names and contact data tell the whole story about Witts. This is for real and 20 USD is not a whole lot of money to risk anyway... Good that they come forward anyway and hopefully soon they will open source some stuff. That is when this gets really interesting.

[sucahyo]

Here is a book about Keely:
Internet Archive: Free Download: Keely and his discoveries; aerial navigation

The file is searchable, there is no mention about crystal in his device. It is mentioned about water and air or mercury inside his copper sphere.

For very efficient water heater, read Dr Robert George Adams work:
Aethmogen - March 2001 Information Release

There are also radiant energy OU generation.
Aethmogen - March 2001 Information Release

For any device utilizing frequency like what Keely does, I think learning Royal Rife work should be important, also John Hutchison effect. At ancient time there are even men that can cure people, stopping wind, teleportation and fly utilizing flute and vibration technology, King David and King Solomon and their scientist.

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@Sucayho: Well, somehow you got to interpret Keelys work.....

That is why you use crystals because no single man(without 10s of millions on his hands) on this planet would be able to build the devices he built with the kind of mechanical precision demanded to make it work, and still you would have to be a musical genius to get anything out of it. A crystal(ie Piezostrictor) can generate acoustic waves with good precision, that is the key.

Pls check HANS VON LIEVEN for more info. Keely is the highest level because he went the deepest inside the aether and life giving energies.

[wrtner]

Get the book "Universal laws never revealed" and think again. In the future we can all dump our tank circuits and go to a higher level of perfection with crystals. Read HANS VON LIEVEN - Hans Von Lieven is a clever man...

That fascinating book is by Dale Pond.

Don't confuse Hans' site, HANS VON LIEVEN with the original Keely
site, KeelyNet 2009 - Free Energy / Gravity Control / Electronic Health / Alternative Science - 01/01/09, i.e. KeelyNet 2009 - Free Energy / Gravity Control / Electronic Health / Alternative Science - 01/01/09

Why would anyone create such a confusion?

[Peter Lindemann]

Trolling for Money

Just donate 20 USD and have a look at the stories from famous engineers and scientists. Those guys(pHDs, R&D bosses of Fortune 500 companies etc, etc) with names and contact data tell the whole story about Witts. This is for real and 20 USD is not a whole lot of money to risk anyway...

Gauss, Tim, and other WITT supporters,

The dictionary defines "donation" as something "freely given, with nothing expected in return". But since the "donation" you are asking for is "REQUIRED" before you share, it is obviously NOT a donation at all, but a FEE. You say "$20 is not so much to risk", but its not a risk at all if the money is actually DONATED. Just the way you talk unmasks your silly game.

You hide behind your religious organization and the false history of WITTS, but no one here is fooled. You are here, just TROLLING FOR MONEY!

By contrast, this forum consists of the LARGEST GROUP of genuinely generous people in the entire FE movement. Dozens of people here routinely SHARE their ideas, insights, designs, schematics, and videos of their experiments running, so the rest of us can learn, grow, and replicate the work.

You people have shared nothing, shown nothing, and DONATED nothing to us. It's only right that we behave the same towards you! Don't think of it as "negativity". We are not the one's suppressing your work, YOU ARE!

I have a proposal for you. SHARE SOMETHING with us that is of actual value, that a few people here can replicate and report on as REAL. That will go a long way toward dissipating our skepticism. If you are unwilling to do that, then why don't you just go TROLL FOR MONEY somewhere else.

You must think you are the WITTS and we are the DIM WITTS, but I don't think so.

Peter

[Mark]

Well stated Peter! Pay $20.00 and they'll give you some testimonials!

What a joke

[sucahyo]

That is why you use crystals because no single man(without 10s of millions on his hands) on this planet would be able to build the devices he built with the kind of mechanical precision demanded to make it work, and still you would have to be a musical genius to get anything out of it. A crystal(ie Piezostrictor) can generate acoustic waves with good precision, that is the key.

I don't remember reading something about the need of precision to build Keely device, that only Keely can make it. Initially Keely even want to make his device replicable by anyone. At King David era the sound is hearable by human, at Keely era too, by Dale Pond too, some Royal Rife too.

A page at John Bedini website mention that the frequency is best to be in sine from. Since John Bedini already work with custom frequency generator for sometimes, we can expect John Bedini will publish a true device that work by Royal Rife principle. From the page I have conclusion that to make a device it's is not just crystal that need to be tuned to achieve the frequency, every component has to be selected carefully from a large batch.

If you can get contact to some copper musical instrument maker, you can ask for their help to tune for you. Most of the musical instrument in Indonesian Java's Gamelan are made from brass or copper, there are some maker that still make them. You can ask for their help to tune to what ever frequency that you need.

I somehow doubt that crystal tuning technology is superior than copper/brass mechanical tuning tradition. You need to hear it directly to know the quality. Maybe crystal can achieve that precision, but it would take a mastery to tune them. A single hammering at certain location in a brass "gong" can change how it's sound and the maker have difficult problem to make two equally sounded "gong". I can not imagine how a 3 dimensional crystal would be tuned? sawing? cutting? hammering? punching? with laser? if the dimension is the same, would two crystal will have exactly the same vibration?

For anyone interested in tuning brass musical percusion instrument, Kraton in Yogyakarta have the best gamelan, they has a tuner or you can ask where to find them.

[Matthew Jones]

They could solve all the delimas with one well documented open source project.

But they haven't and they don't look like they will anytime soon.

Its a shame to think they may be telling the truth and they may have some technology, but they maintain the secrecy, so you have to doubt.

Matt

[elias]

Reasons for Not Open Sourcing

Hi everyone,

There are only two reasons for not open sourcing:
1- Greed
2- Hoax

That's all, I cannot find a third category?! Maybe mistrust, which also belongs to "Greed" or Fear, which I doubt they have, otherwise, there was no website to promote their idea unless it is a hoax.

If they truly love humanity why are they gathering money from people? Instead they'd better open source the idea and share it among everyone as well as themselves.

Peace
Elias

[WeThePeople]

Can we continue now?

Um,
While trashing this (Alleged) buffoon seems to be playing out in great length at this point,
Am I going to get slammed if I suggest we get back to basic premis of this posts topic?
I mean was it supposed to mean "Lets rant about this guy claiming this instead"?

Soooo, in YOUR opinion,
what IS the "Most Efficient" one then?

Lemme offer the first move in a more informative direction.

What about "Cavitation" water heater ideas like:
Hydro-Sonic - James L. Griggs (HPump)


I mean, we've all seen this idea heating this Fire-Station, right?
YouTube - FUELLESS HEATER NO FUEL NO GAS NO WOOD NO GREEN HOUSE GASES

References:
General Griggs Info/;
YouTube - FUELLESS HEATER NO FUEL NO GAS NO WOOD NO GREEN HOUSE GASES

Strobescope Freeze - Shows effect real-time/;
YouTube - SPR Cavitation

A sample company...:
Hydro Dynamics, Inc - The Solutions Company

I hope this induces informative influx of useful info (Instead).


The problem I've seen is that never has a smaller one been made that I can find by google to indicate that a central water-heater/enviroment-heater/slab-heater of a residential nature would be cost effective.

Correct me if wrong, and provide links please, TY.

(Oh, and what a wonderful forum. It is now my homepage, and I will try to read for a month or so before my second post. But this was clearly off the tracks and needed the "goodwill" bump.)

We The People

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