High Voltage from Thin Air?

[DrStiffler]

Ok so I see everyone's playing around with variations so I figured why the heck not.

I recalled how we started all this and that Dr. Stiffler's SEC did not use an air coil but a choke.

So, does air coil matter I asked myself?

The answer would seem to be no. But does SGate matter? Again, it seems not...

PSU ~10V @ ~40mA; no air coils - all chokes; no real SGate - replaced by capacitors.



What does "mass" have to do with it?

In case of AV plug and DC voltage - once again it appears mass has nothing to do with it.

By the way, I have deliberately used a standard daylight short exposure so you can see the amount of illumination, thus the grainy-ness in the photos.

Oh yeah, that's 40 white LEDs of 50,000mcd each.

@amigo
Interesting all the components that you feel make little difference or are not needed or of value. Guess I went to far to much work here.

I would be interested in the quantitative comparisons that support this opinion?

[amigo]

@amigo
Interesting all the components that you feel make little difference or are not needed or of value. Guess I went to far to much work here.

I would be interested in the quantitative comparisons that support this opinion?

@DrStiffler,

I am not sure I am even qualified to give any quantitative comparisons, as everyone has their own standards, and then there's the academic standards.

I made subjective observations as they appear to me from my own practical experimentation. Far from me to say that my observations are something conclusive, as they mandate more experimentation on everyone's part.

It does not mean that the effects are not there, on the contrary. Achieving similar effects using different components suggests to me that those specific components might not be what causes the effects.

Granted, specific components could be enhancing the effects, though I have not spent enough time tuning the circuit with chokes to have an opinion about it either. Besides, from my limited understanding of HF, one would not use ferrite cores or chokes in MHz circuits, thus the use of air coils which do appear to perform better.

All in all, to me it seemed more like a curiousity that it went a full circle back to where we started at...

[Jules Tresor]

What mass has to do with it ...

@Dr Stiffler:
Hello Doctor,
Should we increase the mass/length of the 'antennas' to catch more wireless power ?

I mean Lidmotor and Slayer007 use short wires loops and can light LEDs around a working SEC; could they 'catch' more power if they were using longer wire loops or multiple loops, or heavier gauge of wire (more mass) ?

Or is the mass more important in the 'emitting' part of the circuit, connected to the SEC ?

Thanks for sharing this great discovery,
God blessings,
MDG

[samedsoft]

@ALL

What is the effect of S-GATE in terms of CEC? Does it helps out to increase CEC of the system?

How is the size important for S-GATE?

I remember Dr. had a picture on his web site looked like a huge CAP and it was copper..

Where is the source of amplification? How this Stiffler effect can be further increased? CEC of 100 ???


God Bless all!

[DrStiffler]

Charge Polarization

@Lidmotor and @All
Have any of you working with the FL's noted the starting problems where it will not start unless you flip to the opposite end? This applies to one that has already been lit for a short period. I have mentioned this often.

[slayer007]

@ Dr. Stiffler

NO..I have not had any problems relighting the FL's.
So far they have been lighting ever time without having to flip them.

I have only been lighting them for about four days now.
But in that four days it's been getting a lot of use lol.

[Mutten]

@Lidmotor and @All
Have any of you working with the FL's noted the starting problems where it will not start unless you flip to the opposite end? This applies to one that has already been lit for a short period. I have mentioned this often.

I've noticed it. Sometimes the FLs don't want to start unless you flip them over or pull them out of the field for a short time.

First thing that came to mind was they were being polarized by something.

I still can't get a 40w tube to light up but the only one I have is burnt out on both ends. Might be why.

[Lidmotor]

Lighting the Fls

@Dr. Stiffler. I have not had to flip the FL tube bulbs to light them. I have had some other interesting problems though. The 'loop' bulb is harder to get fully lit than a tube bulb. I tried a 'round' bulb yesterday and got that to light up all the way around and it seemed to produce the most light. What I am most concerned about now is getting the 'full brightness' effect out of the bulbs. They come on half bright without a problem only the smallest ones will light up bright. Can this circuit be scaled up somehow to get more light from larger FLs or am I going in the wrong direction with this circuit? Should we leave it to drive LEDs for light and let it go at that?

Lidmotor

[slayer007]

@Lidmotor

I was going to make two SEC's with two antennas.
For the big 40 watt bulbs and have one sec on each side.
I'll let you know if I can get the big bulbs to light at full brightness.

[amigo]

Has anyone checked the temp of their neons off the sphere. With leads connected to the top and bottom, and foil tape wrapped around the glass connected to ground it's topping out at 273'F. I think I can fry an egg on this thing.

I still haven't gotten a wireless temperature meter here so I can't really tell, but judging by the illumination, it does look fairly hot. Though how would one even utilize that for any heating when we are talking about a tiny neon bulb?


@DrStiffler,

I did notice that my FL won't light up on it's own, or that it will only light up on a certain side (on my FL the side without the text on the glass ). Though if I slide my fingers across the length, the charge transfers and the other side would more readily light up, until the charge is drained.

[mlurye]

I was playing with tuning and managed to get S-Gate operate at low voltage. Transistor is not heating up at all. I cannot light up CFL or neon, but 12V incandescent bulb at full brightness and I don't need to have ground or closed circuit.
If anyone want to try: C1 ~30pF, Lb 2.2uH.

P.S. Played with same values of components and got my HV back. Now I can get neon, CFL and incandescent to light up and transistor is not heating up!!! (input voltage tried 14-24V)

[Parav]

Silent Replicator - more results

Dr. Stiffler

I've been silently and dilligently following your great forum since day one and have pretty well replicated most of the SEC circuitry with the same trials and tribulations as the other guys in the group.
My thanks to you and Mutten, Amigo, Mluyre, Freezer ,Stphenafreter (and Slayer007 and Lidmotor, my heros from the Joule Thief forum).

I've noticed that no one has come up with any results on the circuit you posted on page 8 ,post # 228 (april15 /09)- to light up some LEDs.
Well, I've been working on that one for the past 3 or 4 days and I've come up with some impressive results.
For coil L4 , (since I don't have an LC meter) , I had to try different configurations for the coil until I came up with this--1and5/16th coil form (pill bottle) 22 turns of #22 wire--I don"t know if that comes out to 54uH but it's working.
I first hooked up up 24 LEDS and I had to turn my power supply down to 6 volts for fear of burning up the LEDS , they were so bright.(16 to 36ma draw)
I next got a string of 35 LEDS that you put on a Christmas tree and they all lit up nicely , but I could only go to 10 volts -again they were almost too bright--most important was the amp draw, was from 20ma to 50 ma. Next I plugged in another set of 35 Xmas lights (70 total) I could go to 12 volts --amp draw was 20 to 50 ma ,lites were as bright as could be . That's not all , I plugged in another 35 LEDS (105 total) and once again the lites were as bright as can be --amp draw was 20 to 50ma, I couldn't believe what i was seeing. Note: that the amp draw of 20 to 50ma was being tuned with the variable coil (Lb/L2). The lites would dim below 20ma , so basically the intensity didn't change even when you adjusted the coil to up to 90 ma draw, amazing.
I don't know what you guys think but me,being just an electronically challenged (just a hobbiest) kind of guy -Iam seeing a tremendous amount of extra power being made here.
Thanks again Dr Stiffler , for sharing your wonderful invention for all of us to share and enjoy.

Parav

[slayer007]

I made another sec so I could try two on a 40w bulb.
It did make it brighter but it didn't work as good as I thought it would have.

I then went back to just one and tried charging a battery.
Using the Alu ball with a capacitor attached to the bottom of the ball and sec attached to the top.
The source battery was 12.53 charge battery was 11.23

I let it run for around 30 to 40 min.
Source battery went down to 12.46 from 12.53 then settled back up to 12.51
The charge went from 11.23 to 12.24 then settled back down to 12.01

Not to bad for running a small 6 watt bulb at the same time.

[amigo]

Dr. Stiffler

I've been silently and dilligently following your great forum since day one and have pretty well replicated most of the SEC circuitry with the same trials and tribulations as the other guys in the group.
My thanks to you and Mutten, Amigo, Mluyre, Freezer ,Stphenafreter (and Slayer007 and Lidmotor, my heros from the Joule Thief forum).

I've noticed that no one has come up with any results on the circuit you posted on page 8 ,post # 228 (april15 /09)- to light up some LEDs.

Hi Parav,

Welcome aboard !

I actually posted a replication of the LED experiment, in conjunction with the alternative circuit setup (no SGate, no air coils) - please see the following post:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3934-high-voltage-thin-air-13.html#post51979

And you are absolutely right, the potential for light application is tremendous. If you have the time you might want to read the thread over at OU forum where we had lit 100s of LEDs at the time with various incarnations of Dr.Stiffler's circuit:

Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[sucahyo]

diode resistance

@Dr. Stiffler,

What is your suggestion for the diode?

I ask because my recent test show that HV diode will decrease power significantly on one wire neon bulb. 1N4002 and 1N4007 don't decrease it much but they still reduce the power. I see that your circuit use diode. Is there a way to build it without diode or get a diode that do not reduce the power much?

YouTube - Diode effect on one wire radiant oscillator lighting

I also rather confuse to why the diode seems do nothing except decreasing the power. It dont direct the current at all.