Gray Tube Replication

[nat1971a]

ok i can confirm that the thyratron reduces the sparking at the commutator just as the patent says......the distance between the anodes and grids is really finicky....appears to be working now.....

[nat1971a]

YouTube - Update 33 - Edwin gray's circuit diode versus thyratron

me tinkering with grays circuit diode versus thyratron......

volt meter readings are from the charge receiving grids.

I am using a carbon resistor (buss bar) on the so called LV anode 1.....more tinkering required................

[nat1971a]

hmm well i got my $3 thyratron working briefly just as grays shows in the circuit...unfortunately my dodgey built system is becoming unreliable otherwise i would have posted a video.....and with nothing connected to the grid in the thyratron

[nat1971a]

I believe that charge receiving grids are negatively charged like a capacitor.
I made two square sheets of aluminum..placed them close together separated by some dielectric....e.g glad wrap....(what you wrap food in) then connect to a large battery bank....one plate is negative the other is positive...then use the negative plate as the charge receiving grids.....this is my understanding from what is in the jj thomson document the Tesla refers too

[nat1971a]

Quite some time ago i bought 2x svetlana sv811-10 power triodes from the USA. It was quite expensive and i remember thinking i was crazy at the time for spending the money. These are the ones gary mcgratten had listed in his documents on the gray tube. They are half wave rectified vacuum tubes which also matches up with the specifications for the ones Tesla used in the car (half wave). From what i gather half wave reduces current. I know nothing about vacuum tubes and they have been basically sitting in the garage until recently. I will hopefully have a go at putting them into the circuit.

I also bought a russian thyratron from ebay for about $3 quite some time ago....dont know what the part number is....i might try that out too.

[antena]

@Nat1971a -interesting idea with the sun.So connect negative outher grid with GND ? And what type of vakuum tube u have and it is possible to buy that on ebuy ?
Antena

[ahura999]

[nat1971a]

i'm back from holidays.....and had time to think about grays circuit.
I reverse engineered grays circuit into something simple that i could understand from the point of view of natures creation of lightning. Not sure if it is 100 complete. But happy to share the information. Basically confirms what i thought which was that the grids are negatively charged and it appears that the vacuum tube is mandatory if you want to replicate nature.

The drawing shows the sun emitting a unidirectional dc pulse hitting the upper atmosphere which provides resistance which then generates the high voltage. The rest is self explanatory

The carbon resistor is the primary and the grids are the secondary.

cheers
Nat

[antena]

@Martin -I am not skiled in English well - sorry
have fun Antena

[martin]

Hallo
@Nat in Comparsion of devices U wrote - plate P on the first picture is negatively charged. But what I know ground is negative and air have positive polarity. In some dokument Tesla wrote that air is positive too...Where is the true ?
It is interesting idea that vakuum tube 28 is for collecting radiant energy.
I spekulate about tubes 34 around high voltage anode that it is spiral wounded too.
@Martin why U think that vrill is joke ? It consist from 3 bifilar coil...Read Teslas patent No. 381970 from 1888, see Chapter9.pdf on Free-Energy Devices, zero-point energy, and water as fuel Here is described that 3 coils on toroidal core can produce aditional energy. It is free energy device.
Teslas patent no 512.340 Coil for electromagnets speaks about bifilar wounded coil. I think that pancake coil bifilar wounded with end of the first winding connected to the start secondary winding when such coil is in resonancy, electromotoric force disappears, so due to low resistance we can get something interesting. I read that it can be power source. Not if it is wounded on tube with constant diameter. This appear only in the coils with constantly growing diameter. So pancake coil or cone shaped coil.
We need to get vortex nothing more.
I think that in Greys tube is important polarity of the metals. Silver is positive and copper negative.(carbon maybe negative dunno)
What do U think folks ?
Antena

Ok, I NEVER said the vrill was a joke or the theory of how it works.

There's an individual on that post that seems to be a little off in left field.

Did you even goto the site because, seriously,.... just take a look and at least read page 7.

[antena]

polarity

Hallo
@Nat in Comparsion of devices U wrote - plate P on the first picture is negatively charged. But what I know ground is negative and air have positive polarity. In some dokument Tesla wrote that air is positive too...Where is the true ?
It is interesting idea that vakuum tube 28 is for collecting radiant energy.
I spekulate about tubes 34 around high voltage anode that it is spiral wounded too.
@Martin why U think that vrill is joke ? It consist from 3 bifilar coil...Read Teslas patent No. 381970 from 1888, see Chapter9.pdf on Free-Energy Devices, zero-point energy, and water as fuel Here is described that 3 coils on toroidal core can produce aditional energy. It is free energy device.
Teslas patent no 512.340 Coil for electromagnets speaks about bifilar wounded coil. I think that pancake coil bifilar wounded with end of the first winding connected to the start secondary winding when such coil is in resonancy, electromotoric force disappears, so due to low resistance we can get something interesting. I read that it can be power source. Not if it is wounded on tube with constant diameter. This appear only in the coils with constantly growing diameter. So pancake coil or cone shaped coil.
We need to get vortex nothing more.
I think that in Greys tube is important polarity of the metals. Silver is positive and copper negative.(carbon maybe negative dunno)
What do U think folks ?
Antena

[martin]

Rotating magnetic fields

Well, if anyone likes a little humor, I found this link discussing rotating magnet fields. Reading completely through at least page 12 is must!

VRIL Counter-Rotating Fields

[nat1971a]

The thought crossed my mind too

[Inquorate]

What if

What if the 'negatively charged plate' is just the battery terminal?

Then 99% of the energy would be going back to the battery right?

[martin]

Ok, if Im understanding these papers, one should be able to build this box I uploaded. Im thinking that if you run air currents through hole A, static should build up on delrin block E. Now, apply a HV static charge to electrode D and it should cause the static build up to discharge a current between electrodes B and C (C is ground). The only difference in this and the papers is this uses positive air flow to build static on the dielectric block.

Im thinking that if the rays emitted by electrode D causes a current to flow in electrode B, then the accumulated static charge on the dielectric block would add to this. According to JJ Thomson, the radiant rays cause dielectrics to conduct. So, one would have to turn off the HV on D to allow static to build on the dielectric and have the load disconnected from B. Then the load would have to be reconnected when the HV is applied on D for current to flow through the load.

Edit: Actually, if the radiant rays cause dielectrics to flow current, assuming the dielectric block E has an opposite charge of the air dielectric, applying a HV to D may cause a constant current to flow as long as air is moving across the block E. Also, the diagram isnt drawn like this, but electrode B possibly should be totally enclosed by dielectric block E.