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  • #16
    and here is how it looks

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhjHzdDYRXA

    thx to Gotoluc for forwarding ....
    please note


    Wesley will have plenty of thoughts and hopefully experiments on Zenneck .

    respectfully
    Chet K
    Last edited by RAMSET; 11-12-2018, 03:48 PM.
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    • #17
      More from Wesley and Ivan [speedy25]

      Quote Speedy 25
      Hi Wesley!


      Surface waves-general knowledge :

      1. https://cosmolearning.org/video-lect...rface-waves-2/
      1a. same but in PDF http://emlab.utep.edu/ee5390em21/Lec...ce%20waves.pdf

      Review of Electromagnetic Surface
      Waves: 1960 Through 1987 (Naval Weapons Centar) http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a197278.pdf

      Isolation of the Zenneck Surface Wave: http://www.ee.ucl.ac.uk/lcs/previous...11/LCS1137.pdf
      END QUOTE

      Wesley

      Quote


      Ivan thank you very much I did not sort out your links as I'm not at home
      for sometime and somewhere ... trolls should not know it.
      You are great man from the country of Nikola Tesla
      ================================================== ========


      Update:Wesley quote
      WOW:......
      and again... wow

      From the perspective of you the readers and viewers this is easy language
      and it saves me many hours of creating additional video introducing phenomena
      of interest.

      I'm dealing not only with you but with some of very fundamental big brains
      having science on daily breakfast as somehow typical meal.

      The problem I have with some of them is that Zenneck Waves in did, have not been seen by anyone who has freedom to talk about it.
      That is why for many of them , Zenneck Waves are theoretical.
      So there is a need for most of you to know and understand what is surface wave
      This video starts from certain point of interest
      https://youtu.be/wIIABIU3tRw?t=541
      For these who are into understanding surface wave please watch this video from the beginning.


      Mechanism of forbidden knowledge :
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_knowledge

      Works both ways
      1. creates rapid and collective need , in direction of understanding and explanation.
      2. makes sometime questionable assumptions , fueling both these pro and the against it. ( whatever that "it" is) .
      And the primary question ask is
      Why?
      -Why do they build this Tesla like Tower?
      -Why it is so secret with so much security around it?
      -What is going to happened when it works and how it works?
      -Will my father lose his job as wires are no longer needed?
      -Will the cars and ships be able to be energy supplied and battery charged as they are in motion?
      -Will it make us to pay less?
      -Is there any way to crack it and get some of it for less or for free/( human nature)?

      Wesley

      ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

      corrected link:
      http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a197278.pdf

      Quote

      Barlow and Brown define a surface wave as
      "...one that propagates along an interface between two different media without radiation,
      such radiation being construed to mean energy converted from the surface-wave field to some other form (Reference 7)."

      Since this definition covers a lot of territory, one of the major problems
      with the surface-wave literature is
      the proliferation of different names for what is essentially the same physical phenomenon (References 2 and 8 )

      These waves:
      -Zenneck,
      -Norton,
      -Sommerfeld-Goubau,
      -inhomogeneous, -
      radial,
      -axial,
      -azimuthal,
      -lateral,
      -creeping,
      etc.-are all (at least in some sense) a type of or associated with a type of surface wave.

      Throughout this report we will try to clarify all such terms and use them correctly
      in association with the appropriate physical geometry or guiding process


      From the quote of article (link above)
      we see that:

      1. Viziv used Zenneck Wave as one of the names.
      2. that may be intentional as:
      a- there is little to none publicly available literature about it.
      b.-There is estimated half of a billion dollars at stake from the investors.
      c.- investors must contribute and do not understand to much
      d.- public must do not interfere and do not understand to much

      2. form of phenomena in question can be ironically simple but just in some part of it
      matching one basket of all of mentioned names for Zenneck waves

      3. Viziv might not have patent rights to any of these waveforms so how they can protect their investment?

      By means of scrambling access to the receiver that must match the same algorithm
      to gain access to energy that is already converted to Zenneck wave or any other name they hide it at.
      By simple words:
      You have Viziv transmitter and the receiver is like your satellite dish.
      The satellite signal is out. All you need is to access it. and that is what you are paying for
      - the code.
      But if you just couple straight right into the Zenneck Wave or whatever name you give to it they going to go bankrupt.
      But if you use your own energy from your own water mill and use Zenneck Wave as means of transportation than you can sale it to your neighbors
      or power your own electric car in withing boundaries of your own area of coverage. ( city , county, state)


      Picture :
      Red rectangle: explains controversy about different names associated with Zenneck Wave
      Blue rectangle: explains simple conditions needed for Zenneck Wave and its associated other names for the same, to exist.

      At the bottom of the page #4 please look at propagation phenomena and types of waves:
      -Transverse electric
      -Transverse magnetic TM
      Transverse magneticTM is the wave that is mentioned in :
      https://s3.amazonaws.com/texzon/Texz...Corum_2016.pdf
      by Viziv.
      Attached Files
      Last edited by RAMSET; 11-14-2018, 04:21 PM. Reason: Forum is slow/refusing taking addendum's
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      • #18
        some MEAT on the Viziv history from Wesley

        https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley....S013i006p00969


        Quote

        Excitation of the Zenneck wave is examined for both finite and infinit vertical apertures over a homogeneous conducting flat ground.
        The infinit vertical aperture with a Zenneck wave variation is found to excite only the Zenneck wave with NO radiation field.The finite vertical aperture excites a field which is similar to the Zenneck wave near the aperture but resembles the usual ground wave at large distances.
        Numerical results for various aperture heights are given for frequencies of 1 and 10 MHz. Both homogeneous ground and sea water paths are considered

        .
        From that we know that vertical apertures over a homogeneous conducting flat ground. -Are the one responsible for phenomena known as Zenneck wave with NO radiation field
        http://nedyn.com/Goubau_1951-X.pdf is original uncut German article in English translated by James F. Corum, Ph.D.
        CPG Technologies, LLC
        February 17, 2015
        -we need to remember that this article was translated by the same Corum that is involved in Viziv. So this is the evidence of logical path of the guy who was originator of all of it. He than attracted to the idea big guys with big money.
        What we do here is fallowing his steps to collect all of pieces of puzzle. We may call it also stepping on his thoes

        Wesley

        EDIT to fix translation link

        Chet
        Last edited by RAMSET; 11-14-2018, 04:50 PM.
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        • #19
          striking attribute

          Wesley
          Quote

          and there is some striking revelation about Zenneck Wave in the picture below.
          Yes it is striking.
          Think about coverage of entire earth.

          Wesley
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          • #20
            Hi all, hi ilandtan, it is not the humanity that is the problem, it is the very few beings, humans or otherwise, that are the main obstacle.
            Do you really expect intelligent ones in this realm and forum, to think that humanity would reject free power.
            No, we know who is rejecting it, and it is not the majority of humans.
            This technology, could be already in use for some time now, and these few I AM referring to, are reeping the rewards, whilst still charging all of us.
            So there you go, that is how they overcame the money issue, just use it and keep it secret, that it is already being used, possibly even right under our very noses.
            Ever look at so called water towers, they look like the perfect tesla tower to me, but alas, this reality is nothing more than mind games being played and will we ever wake up from this dream, i hope so.
            peace love light

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            • #21
              Sommerfeld-Zenneck surface wave

              link provided by Member Blueplanet
              Quote

              Zenneck wave is a well-known science.
              His teacher was Sommerfeld who was the originator of eigenmode theory in waveguide. So far there has not been anyone capable of disproving any of Sommerfled's theories.

              https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Zenneck_wave

              --------------------------------------------------------------------
              Experimental tests of the eigenmode theory of auroral roar fine structure and its application to remote sensing
              https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley....9/2007JA012525
              Last edited by RAMSET; 11-17-2018, 04:22 PM. Reason: spelling of Sommerfeld
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              • #22
                a fellow with definate thoughts on the topic

                Research website of Vyacheslav Gorchilin

                The transformation of transverse waves into longitudinal

                to note great care should be taken with translations [link is translated text]

                Wesley typically checks for accuracy .

                respectfully
                Chet K
                Last edited by RAMSET; 11-19-2018, 10:25 PM.
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                • #23
                  More on Gorchilin [Wesley may not approve ? ,we shall see

                  The transformation of transverse waves into longitudinal
                  Quote from Link [Fig 5]
                  By the way, this dispels the myth that standing waves do not transfer energy

                  here a comment from Gorchilin researcher SolarLab [i believe he is working on Parker solar probe project https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46030852]

                  SolarLab made this observation

                  Quote

                  Another interesting series of Gorchilin observations involves his work with Slow Waves.

                  Медленные волны в катушке индуктивности
                  [Slow Waves in an Inductor]

                  œедленн‹е магни‚н‹е волн‹ (all 4 pages - circled at page bottom)

                  From Page three (3) - is very intriguing (IMO); We get slow magnetic waves

                  "After the publication of the two previous subsections, readers had many questions about how to get unusual, from a classical point of view, magnetic waves in a conventional inductor. They have a unique property: at relatively low frequencies (kilohertz), with a more or less constant distribution of the electric field, several magnetic poles appear in the coil. As it turned out, their uniqueness does not end there. If the coil is divided into two halves, one of which will have a left-sided one, and the other has a right-sided winding, then regardless of their connection, magnetic waves will still form. However, depending on the compound, the distribution of the magnetic field (MP) will change, which is best measured using the indicator proposed here in figure (3)."
                  ...

                  "The conclusions from these studies are obvious. Slow magnetic waves are formed due to a completely new and little-studied type of resonance, which does not obey classical laws. For example, more detailed studies have shown that an increase in capacitance C1 by 4 times leads to a decrease in the resonant frequency by 1.4–1.5 times, and not by two, which would correspond to the Thompson formula. This frequency, among other things, is influenced by both the active resistance of the coil, the capacitance and the key, and the supply voltage. Also, in classical resonance, a phase shift between current and voltage of 90 degrees should form, which we absolutely do not observe here (Fig. 7, 8). All this allows us to build electric power generators on completely new principles." ...

                  And from Page four (4); Second kind resonance

                  "This is a completely different kind of resonance. It does not look like a classic even externally , if you look at it through an oscilloscope screen. Its resonant frequency depends not only on inductance and capacitance, but also on the active resistance of the circuit and the duty cycle of the pulses. The mathematical dependence of these parameters among themselves is very different from the classical Thomson formula [1]. With this resonance, you can get slow magnetic waves in a conventional inductor. In this note, we will offer its mathematical model and formulas for calculation, and we will call it further the resonance of the second kind." ...

                  http://gorchilin.com/articles/coil/m..._resonance.png (Ruslan ?)

                  Further analysis => a work that is still in progress...

                  end quote
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                  there is no dedicated thread yet at Stefan's ....discussion in Wesley's topic here
                  https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-...msg527144/#new
                  Last edited by RAMSET; 11-20-2018, 02:55 PM.
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                  • #24
                    plenty being bandeed about

                    https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-...on-forum/1245/

                    Wesley quote
                    SO WE DEALING WITH DIFFERENT ANIMAL HERE AND GOUBAU IS PART OF IT.
                    Wesley
                    end quote




                    I am sure more actual testing and Vetting...will evolve .

                    Chet
                    Last edited by RAMSET; 11-24-2018, 02:05 PM.
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                    • #25
                      I will attenpt to get more clarity from Wesley today

                      post number 1314 is a summary here.
                      https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-...on-forum/1305/

                      however...
                      seems a connection to Tariel's work is evolving now

                      to note Wesley has visited Tariel Kapanadze and has very strong positive opinions on his work.

                      Chet
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by RAMSET View Post
                        post number 1314 is a summary here.
                        https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-...on-forum/1305/

                        however...
                        seems a connection to Tariel's work is evolving now

                        to note Wesley has visited Tariel Kapanadze and has very strong positive opinions on his work.

                        Chet
                        Wesley said

                        This technology may be also related but may not be as well. to Tariel Kapanadze Free Energy device.
                        I have witnessed his device working and found it legit.
                        But there was report that when Tariel presented his device on the island , lights in Motel from the other side of the water dividing Island from steady land lost its power for around 70%
                        This was the Motel where crew of Tariel Kapanadze was residing during the show time.
                        So it this is true than
                        Motel was acting as transmitter of energy and Tariel device on the Island was acting as receiver.
                        Is he then saying that a Kapanadze device is just a receiver, then really it's just a slight of hand, isn't it?

                        Legitimately functioning, however not taking the energy from the ambient, but just "tuning in" to a transmitted source.

                        Why does that sound right? HAHAHAHAHA

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                        • #27
                          not sure how far that is [distance to motel] ?

                          how amazing if it was indeed Zenneck waves which Tariel had used ?

                          Wesley is much more familiar with all of the "possibilities" for Tariel cheating at the isolated island demmo.
                          hidden supply cables were supposedly ruled out ?

                          I do believe there is a reboot of all the possible power methods in light of this Viziv work.

                          wild stuff IMO

                          Chet

                          PS
                          not gonna bump the thread until I get a clear direction from Wesley ,things are getting a bit busy at his topic ATM
                          new Guy from Latvia sharing "Secret"?

                          https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-...msg527435/#new

                          will be plenty of opinions I am sure.
                          and questions on how to see this "anomaly" on the bench.
                          Last edited by RAMSET; 11-28-2018, 08:05 PM.
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                          • #28
                            Corum Bros RECENT Patent and more

                            Wesley
                            quote
                            In the simplest language for the least advanced people in the planet earth I can say:
                            Self runner can exists and we do not have to pay for energy.
                            But energy conversion is mandatory.
                            Energy must come from interaction and by means of interaction.

                            What you may have problem with is to understand that Viziv transmitter in its simplest form is just two sphere configuration.
                            is that simple enough? https://patents.google.com/patent/US20140252886A1/enbut
                            what about the sphere or two spheres inside the sphere ( earth/ ionosphere) https://electronicspani.com/spherical-capacitor/

                            but if you rather prefer donuts than look here:
                            https://patents.google.com/patent/US4751515A/en and picture here
                            https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-...topicseen/#new [post 1352 ]

                            end quote

                            Chet K
                            Last edited by RAMSET; 11-29-2018, 05:30 PM.
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                            • #29
                              15kW/h FE selflopped device (video made by Wesley)

                              Between... working on Viziv I was able to concentrate on :
                              Ted Annis Free Energy Device .
                              Ted is fighting from 2006 to make it happened. - that means to receive patent on it.
                              Despite the normal willingness of anyone of us to have everything for free, there is also inside every single human being, a need to have something that is only your/his/ her own.

                              Some of us think about family, some others about property and that includes intellectual property protected by patent office.

                              As a community we need to make most of that intellectual property unrestricted .
                              So even me digging in it for the best of humanity ... I must pay respect to these who wants to be the owners of it.
                              Please watch this video and if you like it, than mark it I like it.
                              15kW FE
                              https://youtu.be/DNxob3yY4LE
                              1 to 10W in and....and the output well it is stated 100kW/h.
                              Last edited by stivep; 12-06-2018, 01:00 AM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by stivep View Post
                                Between... working on Viziv I was able to concentrate on :
                                Ted Annis Free Energy Device .
                                Ted is fighting from 2006 to make it happened. - that means to receive patent on it.
                                Despite the normal willingness of anyone of us to have everything for free, there is also inside every single human being, a need to have something that is only your/his/ her own.

                                Some of us think about family, some others about property and that includes intellectual property protected by patent office.

                                As a community we need to make most of that intellectual property unrestricted .
                                So even me digging in it for the best of humanity ... I must pay respect to these who wants to be the owners of it.
                                Please watch this video and if you like it, than mark it I like it.
                                15kW FE
                                https://youtu.be/DNxob3yY4LE
                                1 to 10W in and....and the output well it is stated 100kW/h.
                                I'm sorry, to ask but you are "Wesley" right?

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