ENLIGHTENED MAGNETISM (The Full Proof of Ken Wheeler's Theories)

[Ufopolitics]

Just do it...

Magnetic flux take the path of least resistance N to S. Tiny even micro specs of iron do not overpower a strong magnets field
to any appreciable amount and most readers can see your ironic twist alright. Even with photoshoped imagery to paint a deluded importance to
small artifacts. Iron filings are not misconception or a major contributor to suppression.

The glass exibits no twist and the flux path has a very low percentage of
deformity in the flux. Small percentages of vortex is all you got or plagerized
the rest is simple fantasy magnifying low torque exaggerated spiral flux field.
A lens of deception. Amplification and overemphasis on artifact, tiny bubbles illustrated as yielding great horse power.
A mad man without common sense.

Concentration of flux lines; that is the distance between flux lines is a common relationship with ferrous materials.
You cannot improve on the lamenated cores that drive the real energy producing machines.

It is obvious that magnetic field strength lessens over distance.
It is not enlightenment that for over 200 years there have been people
playing with magnets tell us something new !

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All You have to do is test it for yourself.

Get a piece of iron near a magnet's North Pole (like you have in that picture)...and see for yourself if there is any South pole in that iron...something so simple to check with a cheap compass...

Then comeback here and do the talking.

I won't be wasting my time arguing with you about something am sure off.


Bye


Ufopolitics

[mikrovolt]

Magnetic flux take the path of least resistance N to S. Tiny even micro specs of iron do not overpower a strong magnets field
to any appreciable amount and most readers can see your ironic twist alright. Even with photoshoped imagery to paint a deluded importance to
small artifacts. Iron filings are not misconception or a major contributor to suppression.

The glass exibits no twist and the flux path has a very low percentage of
deformity in the flux. Small percentages of vortex is all you got or plagerized
the rest is simple fantasy magnifying low torque exaggerated spiral flux field.
A lens of deception. Amplification and overemphasis on artifact, tiny bubbles illustrated as yielding great horse power.
A mad man without common sense.

Concentration of flux lines; that is the distance between flux lines is a common relationship with ferrous materials.
You cannot improve on the lamenated cores that drive the real energy producing machines.

It is obvious that magnetic field strength lessens over distance.
It is not enlightenment that for over 200 years there have been people
playing with magnets tell us something new !

[Ufopolitics]

WRONG Concepts...

We can ask just what is a magnetic moment:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_moment

In materials science at a quantum level we can ask what do magnetic materials have
in common even though the orbital geometries are different ?

The ferromagnetic elements have large magnetic moments due to un-paired electrons in their outer orbitals. This is like having current flowing in a coil of wire, creating a magnetic field. Even the spin of the electron is thought to create a minute magnetic field. When you get a bunch of these fields together, they add up to bigger fields.

It is the concentration that works and with electromagnetism the concentration is in a coil.
vortex being an element within the flux concentration unit,

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Mikrovolt,



Those are WRONG CONCEPTS we had for over 200 years friend.

You will find them in old and new books about Magnetism...they were based on the Iron Particles Model...which shows absolutely ZERO Polarization Nature.

I will never allow this WRONG CONCEPT image to be showing around without being rectified by me.

[IMG]Whenever You guys post something like this, it means you are ACCEPTING IT...it makes me think that you just BELIEVE BLINDLY in whatever they tell you or show you out there.

Please DON'T...Always go to your BENCH and verify it YOURSELF.

I have done it and do it ALL THE TIME!!


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Lorentz Force...

Yes, I thought I had made that clear. But the electron beam or stream is moving charges which constitute current by definition so it is current. The wire or conductor is not necessary for current. The electron beam, a single charge moving or a current all have a magnetic field around them as described in the references in my earlier posts.

Thanks Bistander,

So, in the CRT case, we have a constant stream of (q-) electron particles flowing and hitting the fluorescent screen to form a dot of light when phosphorous area lights up. This stream of particles is constant (regulated by the Control Grid and the Source, both regulated by a constant signal) on the dot...Therefore, we may say that also the particle field hitting screen would be also constant...even though we know this is based on a constant flow of different particles and each one having a magnetic field.

There is a B field vector at every point in the magnetic field. When looking at the force on a charge traveling in that field, you must use the B vector at the field location where the charge is at the exact moment in time.

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You mean this picture?

Yes, that was it.

The magnets (S of one shown & N of the other) are not independent. The same flux passes through both of them. They are simply "cut off" in the illustration for clarity; obviously there cannot be an independent S magnet on one side of the gap and a different independent N on the opposite. But that illustration does in fact show the magnetic field as uniform; for simplicity. In the real world, the field would not be uniform. It would fringe at the edges of the poles and, depending on the rest of the magnetic circuit (not shown), may even be weaker near the center of the poles.

You can see in that picture 3 force vectors. Each force vector would need to be calculated using the B vector and v vector for the charge q at that particular location and time. The force at that instant acting on q along with all the other forces acting on q at that instant will determine the acceleration according to the mass of the charge and ultimately determine the trajectory. That is why it is shown as a curve instead of a sharp upwards turn.

Hope that makes sense.

bi

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When I wrote "Independent Poles" I meant that each belongs to a separate magnet...in other words we are facing Two Magnets where one has a North facing the other magnet South Pole.

So, that is called a Uniform Field...right?

A "Uniform Field" is not considered to face either a S>S or a N>N...since we will not have the darn "Lines of Force"...

Now, related to the picture I traced all the three different Forces acting on particle q+...

Let's look at that picture above from a different angle:

[IMG]We have as result a Spiral/Vortex.


Agree with me so far?

And do not get me wrong here...I know Lorentz Forces are very real, therefore, I do agree with the angular deflections response from field.

What I do not agree with... is to look at it as One straight singular vector event, whenever we see one of this pictures containing just one particle which only reveals a couple of straight vectors of force PLUS One straight Vector of Trajectories...one result...that "apparently" do not configure any geometrical shape related to the Centripetal field Forces versus the Centrifugal Forces (end trajectory Arrows) ejecting particle away from field.

And it is very logical and common sense to see and understand that ANY Magnetic Field is a Three Dimensional Volume

[mikrovolt]

We can ask just what is a magnetic moment:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_moment

In materials science at a quantum level we can ask what do magnetic materials have
in common even though the orbital geometries are different ?

The ferromagnetic elements have large magnetic moments due to un-paired electrons in their outer orbitals. This is like having current flowing in a coil of wire, creating a magnetic field. Even the spin of the electron is thought to create a minute magnetic field. When you get a bunch of these fields together, they add up to bigger fields.

It is the concentration that works and with electromagnetism the concentration is in a coil.
vortex being an element within the flux concentration unit,

[bistander]

Moving Charge

The electron beam is a current (negative) without a conductor or wire.

Yes, I know that Bistander.
My question was...does the Electron Stream (Beam) have a magnetic field?

And that a current (as in a conductor or wire) creates a magnetic field around that wire.

Yes, I thought I had made that clear. But the electron beam or stream is moving charges which constitute current by definition so it is current. The wire or conductor is not necessary for current. The electron beam, a single charge moving or a current all have a magnetic field around them as described in the references in my earlier posts.

However, I know deflection does take place at exact center of magnet...or electromagnet...and that is where the B Field Vector is right?

There is a B field vector at every point in the magnetic field. When looking at the force on a charge traveling in that field, you must use the B vector at the field location where the charge is at the exact moment in time.

A "Uniform Field"...I guess you are referring to a N>>S from two independent magnets like shown in previous pics right?.

You mean this picture?


The magnets (S of one shown & N of the other) are not independent. The same flux passes through both of them. They are simply "cut off" in the illustration for clarity; obviously there cannot be an independent S magnet on one side of the gap and a different independent N on the opposite. But that illustration does in fact show the magnetic field as uniform; for simplicity. In the real world, the field would not be uniform. It would fringe at the edges of the poles and, depending on the rest of the magnetic circuit (not shown), may even be weaker near the center of the poles.

You can see in that picture 3 force vectors. Each force vector would need to be calculated using the B vector and v vector for the charge q at that particular location and time. The force at that instant acting on q along with all the other forces acting on q at that instant will determine the acceleration according to the mass of the charge and ultimately determine the trajectory. That is why it is shown as a curve instead of a sharp upwards turn.

Hope that makes sense.

bi

[Ufopolitics]

Hi Ufopolitics,

The MHD video posted is interesting. Generally you will find with this kind of thing there are actually two rotations (or more). One rotation seen as CW and another seen as CCW and being separated by a shear zone.

Thanks Sputins,

Yes, exactly I noticed that shear zone (shifted area, no vortex activity right?)
The Vortexes concentrate on the upper end of the magnets.

Of course there are other rotations...and not well defined...Low, Mid and High pressures are all inside bowl.

I’ve done this first hand with my Silver Cell, (used for refining silver to 99.999%). So the anode is located at the top with the cathode at the bottom. (The pure silver crystals form on the cathode, from Ag stock in the anode). The electrolyte is a very strong solution of Silver Nitrate.

Upon placing a Neo magnet on the underside of the cell, one can see the electrolyte begin to turn. It turns CW around close proximity to the anode and further way, the electrolyte actually turns CCW. There is a zone in the middle where it’s neither.

Tiny (non-magnetic) silver crystals that end up floating on top of the solution (surface tension) spin around with the solution, at a fixed speed.

It’s an odd thing. So-called electrons going from the cathode to the anode, as sliver metal crystals form on the cathode while branching out towards the anode. Meanwhile the electrolyte solution turns clockwise and also counter-clockwise. (The electrolyte turning is helpful in refining the silver as it keeps the solution “fresh” on the surface of the cathode).

Interesting, when one turns the magnet around the other way, the spin direction(s) of the electrolytic solution remains the same in this case. (Anode and cathode positions and polarity are kept the same).

One day I’ll try making a short video of this in action.


@Idrancer. Please go find another thread to bother.

Very interesting tests you have done!...please, whenever you get a chance, will love to see them in a video.

One question...have you ever tested an iron core electromagnet inside the electrolyte?

That would be my next test...and it could be moved around to observe all vortex details...

I believe we could have some spinning activity just with electromagnet running ...without input to anode-cathode...cause we have them both, electric and magnetic field in one shot.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Hi Ufo,

The electron beam is a current (negative) without a conductor or wire.

Yes, I know that Bistander.
My question was...does the Electron Stream (Beam) have a magnetic field?

Nothing says the change of direction of the charge occurs in the center of the B field.

I know...there are many things that are not mentioned...

However, I know deflection does take place at exact center of magnet...or electromagnet...and that is where the B Field Vector is right?

And my answer above is based on the CRT Electron Particle Accelerator Gun testing I have done many times.

Where the deflection happens and to what degree depends on many factors including the charge's momentum.

On the CRT, once you disconnect both Deflector Drivers (Horizontal & Vert)...you get a Dot on very center of screen, regulated by the Control Grid...as all the Cathode-Anode Accelerating Circuits control that the Charge Momentum Flow/Stream to be very constant.(no flickering light dot)

The Angle of Deflection is basically controlled by the Field Intensity when we are talking about the fixed coil on tube neck of CRT (actually that is how an image is produced...by fluctuations and reversals of field input)...Now, as for experimenting...As you approach the magnetic field to the beam by the neck...it increases the deflecting angle up to a Max point. And of course, according to type of magnet strength you could reach the max point at further distance.

Also, placing a magnet on the outside surface of the CRT does not present a uniform B field on the other side of the screen. So the charges will not behave exactly like theoretical examples which use a uniform field.

bi

A "Uniform Field"...I guess you are referring to a N>>S from two independent magnets like shown in previous pics right?.

Well, when you are approaching Magnetic Field through the neck of CRT Tube...you could do two magnets one on each side...so, that is a Uniform Field.

See CGI Frames below when field is closing up on beam from both sides:

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The "Not Uniform Field" (single magnet) is a lot of fun when it does face the beam(dot) directly... as when approaching the sweeping vert or horizontal lines...you will see that on video.

There are many spatial positioning you could do around CRT...where a Uniform Field could be used besides the neck area of the glass tube.


Cheers


Ufopolitics

[mikrovolt]

There are a variety of various aetheric structures in the universe.
I will take a stab at trying to bring some meaning to this passionate discussion.
It is just specualtion that magnets are doing things that we did not expect.

There are flux disconnects and shedding of some of the outer energetic layer
but homestasis remains stable do to the great design of the earths magnesphere.
It is beneficial to flatuate as part of a cycle to rebalance our symbiotic microorganisms.

In contrast to saturns ring the form and function with earths magnetoshere are different.
Too gravity is said to be intensely repulse in places near ring where as the earth magetoshere
acts more as a shielding rather than a sling shot.

In forming bodies in space the vortex does play a roll. Because aether is capable
of changing forms. The roll of the vortex would most likely be found as a functioning
part of a different variety of aetheric structure or stage of development by function.

The picture does deserve some attention. the helix appears to be around arc
rather than a nucleus but as a busy composite around a core.

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/earth/spiral.gif

[bistander]

Charges

Hi Ufo,

The electron beam is a current (negative) without a conductor or wire.

Nothing says the change of direction of the charge occurs in the center of the B field. Where the deflection happens and to what degree depends on many factors including the charge's momentum.

Also, placing a magnet on the outside surface of the CRT does not present a uniform B field on the other side of the screen. So the charges will not behave exactly like theoretical examples which use a uniform field.

bi

[Ufopolitics]

Hi Ufo,

So you have a charge traveling through a magnetic field and wonder why the resultant force is perpendicular to both the magnetic field and to the direction of travel. Realize that a traveling charge is a current pulse albeit a very short one. And that a current (as in a conductor or wire) creates a magnetic field around that wire. This can be observed several ways including your favorite; iron powder. From: The magnetic fieldMagnetic Fields

[bistander]

Which finger to use?

Ok, but, like I wrote before...

The Hand Rules are REFERENCE METHODSWhere is the FULL SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION

Even if We go back in time and start from the famous Hendrick Lorentz "q" charged particle from the "Lorentz Forces" Chapter...and the Vectors and reactions against a Magnetic Field (B)and an Electric Field (E)...we can perfectly notice that those angles and vectors were just pushed arbitrarily without a reasonable explanation at all.

Again:

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The E-Field and q particle is completely understood, as it is a Parallel Response, straight and very obvious one...negative particle (q-) will definitively follow and be attracted towards the Positive Plate of the electric field...and so on with the positively charged particle (q+) will go to negative plate of electric field...simple, very simple...

If you are familiar with the way Electric Field Drivers for a Radar or old Oscilloscope CRT works...it is based on this principle, positive and negative plates deflecting beam...simple and basic way.

However...

Why does the particle chooses to follow such ANGLED path for the magnetic B Field?

[IMG]Ever, anyone of you asked this question to your teachers...or even to yourself?

Hi Ufo,

So you have a charge traveling through a magnetic field and wonder why the resultant force is perpendicular to both the magnetic field and to the direction of travel. Realize that a traveling charge is a current pulse albeit a very short one. And that a current (as in a conductor or wire) creates a magnetic field around that wire. This can be observed several ways including your favorite; iron powder. From: The magnetic field



The traveling charge will have an accompanying magnetic field just like the current in the wire only it will exist only around the charge. This field due to the moving charge is independent of the external field meaning it would exist if there were no external field. But when in the presence of an external magnetic field, it will interact with that field. The resulting "distortion" field will create a gradient which produces a force on that charge which is in a direction perpendicular to both the velocity and external field.

When searching around looking for an iron powder image I came across the image you used to state the question. Further into that reference is some explanation*, although I don't think it is very clear. So here is a image showing the field distortion I spoke about:



Magnetic Fields

[Ufopolitics]

You can do that.

I prefer the other hand.

Actually I do use my right hand for current and flux and visualize the fields from there for force, motion, etc.

bi

Ok, but, like I wrote before...

The Hand Rules are REFERENCE METHODSWhere is the FULL SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION

Even if We go back in time and start from the famous Hendrick Lorentz "q" charged particle from the "Lorentz Forces" Chapter...and the Vectors and reactions against a Magnetic Field (B)and an Electric Field (E)...we can perfectly notice that those angles and vectors were just pushed arbitrarily without a reasonable explanation at all.

Again:

[IMG][/IMG]

The E-Field and q particle is completely understood, as it is a Parallel Response, straight and very obvious one...negative particle (q-) will definitively follow and be attracted towards the Positive Plate of the electric field...and so on with the positively charged particle (q+) will go to negative plate of electric field...simple, very simple...

If you are familiar with the way Electric Field Drivers for a Radar or old Oscilloscope CRT works...it is based on this principle, positive and negative plates deflecting beam...simple and basic way.

However...

Why does a straight trajectory traveling particle chooses to follow such RADICAL ANGULAR TURN away from the magnetic B Field Vector?

[IMG]Ever, anyone of you asked this question to your teachers...or even to yourself?

[ldrancer]

I would question you on the frist post of the video but anybody can easily think about it for a second and know thats not a working model. You claim the magnet when you claim you know how it works but nothing do you know how it works. you could make a working model if you could. not in the way you probably think it just needs to prove the concept.

a concept doesnt prove and doesnt belong in science. its religion. simple. can you end this crap. whers wheelers topic on it why didnt he start it this whole topic is propoganda. see it for yourself first then THEN tell everybody else. your believing things that arent there you physcizes.

[ldrancer]

This is the stupidest thread ever. The fact that vortexes are concepts has already been done. TH evortex concept came from magnets almost 80% sure on that. and the vortex is already been debunked and thought about by a lot of scienetists. so you guys are the idiots. its to you all you care about is how many people you can fool and scam. fcuk you you little stupid ****s. you are a waste of MY AND EVERYBODY ELSES TIME. and anybody who gives yo money is an idiot too cause ITS FIAT. so your all FAKE.

any thing to say for yourself but attacks?

5 year olds have heard and still today are alive so they learned from wheels on the bus. you guys are stupid. I dont need to think it through for you cause i wouldnt know how you think, but following it, we can reach a way to speak but you gusy are not attempting so you leave. this thread is retarded. you guys are retarded for being here. Ken is a scam artist. wheres the vortex mowers? where s teh vortex hardrives? none? thats what I thought. Oh me acts big and bad and might get money but whne its ran by a private company, well, that means jack ****. you guys, live off of false ideas and you live in a fake world which will be took ut with you going with it

Are those Idrancer hands??

That's the reason why he can't build sh**t...

wheres the response to me from earlier where you deleted your post? i quoted you and you tried to spam me with your video, claiming ooh look at me im right, and claimed i never saw it. Its been done before. and you dont even respond to it. you got no cred. along with ken he cant talk to me. ........

when you attack me(ken wheeler) on about a permanent magnet it was a mistake. he called me stupid. it was an honest mistake. None of you guys have any cred. or any respect. you wont answer and you wont end this stupid discussion. prove it, quit tryint to prove it to everyone else. see it one time for yourself, and **** ing shut the hell up

Are those Idrancer hands??

That's the reason why he can't build sh**t...

DUDE answer me the magnets doing the work, NOT YOU. quit stealing off of oh my god everything. your a scam artists. you work for wheelr

@Idrancer. Please go find another thread to bother.