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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion
    In order to produce electricity in what we call a generator you must turn the rotor that has magnets on it past the coils.

    if you have enough coils on your generator, your motor will draw so many amps you will be able to roast marshmallows over the flames.

    Last problem is the heat generated by the coil cores. Change core material, figure out a way to transfer or dissipate the heat. Water works.
    Even a washing machine motor rated at 1100watts has a cooling
    mechanism built right into the rotor. They are called "FINS" or we will
    call them blades/paddles that move the hot air out every second of
    operation also drawing in cool air.

    Motors rated at 2500 watts such as your would certainly need something
    to dissipate normal heat build up. Even the smallest fan would help or
    in this case a heat sink on each core since these motors are not like a
    conventional one where all core poles are connected together on a single
    piece of iron.


    I was thinking of making the core 2" longer so it will extend out the back
    of the coil away from the rotating apparatus where an aluminum sink
    could be installed. I am afraid that will alter the coils field and change
    production, have not tried it.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Rakarskiy View Post
    [VIDEO]watch?v=jUmD0td5NdI&t=33s[/VIDEO]
    Author IVCHENKO, demonstrates and tells about the new engine with energy recovery. Energy recovery is displayed on the light bulb for demonstration. He claims. that by weight they managed to get 10 kW with a 3 kW motor without abnormal heating.
    Looks like a 4sale sign video. Me no Russian, me English, me not buy
    me build.

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  • Rakarskiy
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    [VIDEO]watch?v=jUmD0td5NdI&t=33s[/VIDEO]
    Author IVCHENKO, demonstrates and tells about the new engine with energy recovery. Energy recovery is displayed on the light bulb for demonstration. He claims. that by weight they managed to get 10 kW with a 3 kW motor without abnormal heating.

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  • lotec
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    Originally posted by Turion
    lotec,
    Why bother with all the electronics when you can get a coil to speed up under load simply by winding it correctly? You have several variables in your ideas you have not even worked out yet that will affect success. And NONE of it has been tested to see if it even works. Why not just do something we already KNOW works? If you want a no brain absolute solution to getting your coil right, and can't be bothered to build the one I have shown already working, just add a capacitor to a coil like they used to do in the good old days to increase its capacitance. A variable cap would be best. Adjust it util the coil speeds up under load. Done.
    Thanks Turion,
    When you put it that way, why not indeed. The easiest solution is often the best and I like easy. That will be one of the first things I try when I get up and running.

    Regards

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  • alexelectric
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    Originally posted by lotec View Post
    Hi Alex,
    Thanks for the comments on the diagram. As far as whats out there on the network, I don't know, I only visit this site for alternate energy, I figure that most of the things out there will find their way here sooner or later.

    The dual rotor test bed was a project I started working on and it was going to be used to test a few different inductors, One of which is a distant cousin of the Faraday's homo-polar generator, where the hope was it would output four times the voltage, and it would be AC. That project is on hold for now until I get access to better tools like drop saws and drill presses,

    I have to ask, There is this guy called Alex, It looks like he is the inspiration for SkyWatchers latest thread, and also the above diagram, and also your name is Alex.
    Are you that Alex?
    Hello lotec
    thanks for the reply,
    for the gentleman that you ask I am not that Alex, that man has several videos and very interesting projects, and announces his advances,
    I am another user, very interested in the new generation of energy
    of the coil project that shows what I'm going to do and I'll comment on the advances
    see you soon

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  • BroMikey
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    Yes shorting or discharging can produce the anti-lenz effect
    while collecting energy back thru that relay switching.

    Now I understand your goal.

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  • lotec
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    Hi Bro Mikey,
    Caught your videos, nice work.
    Yes I could have explained that a lot better. This schematic might help. The ideas I posted where speculative at best, and not tested by me yet.
    The context here is trying to use generator coils as motor coils.

    The kind of delay I was proposing, is preventing the generator coils from conducting immediately at the beginning of the induction cycle. The hope here is that while they don't conduct they are not producing a magnetic field that opposes the rotor on it's approach to TDC, and at that time, the cores might be polarized for attraction.

    Then at some point in the induction cycle somewhere Between 0v and the peak of the first sine, depending on the coils inductance value relative to the rotor speed, the discharge happens. If it happens at just the right time while the core is reversing polarity to repulsion, it might neutralize the attraction at TCD and maybe even provides a push as it goes past.

    The relay idea is a crude one to be sure, and it's not tunable, so the time taken to turn itself on is what creates the delay. If the effect were to happen at all, the relay coil would need to have relatively small inductance compared to the gen coil and the rotor would have to be going at just the right speed. I said it wasn't a great option because the coils would have to conduct enough to turn the relay on to make the intended discharge.



    All the options where designed to do the same thing, just using different methods. In hinesight I can also see a problem with the third option, and think it would work better with a Hall Effect Sensor used in a similar way to how they are in motors. The center of the discharge would be determined by the position of the sensor, and the duration of the shot either side of the center could controlled electronically with the trimpots. The circuit might look something like this, but Ive only ever used it to switch conventional motor coils, and gets some serious heat issues if I try to switch much more than 4 amps or so.



    Possibly more useful for people who's machines can't rotate fast enough to get their coils into the zone. A problem you don't seem to have using your methods. I'm looking forward to see what happens next.


    Regards.
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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by lotec View Post
    Here are some other ways a possible delay might be created.

    1. For a relatively low voltage system. Split the two legs of the output coil into two, then hook them up to a relay. Not a great option because some conducting of the generator coils would be needed to switch on the relay, before the main discharge.



    Cheers.
    What does a relay do in #1, split which legs? Are you assuming ppl
    already know what you are thinking? Plz explain your way of delay.

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  • lotec
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    Hi.
    I hear that there are some interesting effects that can be observed by creating a delayed Lenz effect.

    Here are some other ways a possible delay might be created.

    1. For a relatively low voltage system. Split the two legs of the output coil into two, then hook them up to a relay. Not a great option because some conducting of the generator coils would be needed to switch on the relay, before the main discharge.

    2 For higher voltage setups, there may be something lying around on the bench that could be used as lower voltage plasma switch, like a fist full of small neons, surge protectors, or a fluro light. I noticed that a lot of Gerrard Morin replications used the fluros.

    3 For lower voltage, lower power setups. The output could be rectified and fed into a discharge circuit, made from tirmpots, an op amp comparitor, feeding a transistor or fet driver. This is my personal favorite for an idea because it can be tuned to discharge at any voltage along the inducted sine wave. So if speed up were to occur then the delay could continue to be shortened as the motor speeds up.

    4 Or even a reed switch. Very fiddly, and not tunable.

    Cheers.

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  • lotec
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    Originally posted by Rakarskiy View Post


    Dear colleague! Anti Lentz is a great "duck" of General science, tucked among those who are looking for the formula of their device. This figure correctly shows the formula of magnetic switching, their total vector, action-counteraction, rotor rotation, which will be minimal. But the magnetic flux in the core and how EMF is formed are fundamentally wrong. Apply the "right hand" rule to the solenoid core, to the electromagnet and as the receiving coil of the external field of excitation? You won't see the difference. The greater the external flow, the greater the attraction between the magnet and the core, and more EMF.
    Hi Rakarskiy;
    Thanks for the reference to the E core generator. Ill have to look into it more before I'll understand it properly.

    cheers.

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  • lotec
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    Originally posted by alexelectric View Post
    the design is fine, in fact in the network there is a configuration of this type that has only the magnets on the one hand, this configuration has been configured and working to have double pole its N and S by the inductive part of the core will be more V / amp.
    when I visualized in other images of the network and had only one pole, I thought that why not close for the other end with the opposite pole.
    You can also try the top where the coil is not, the nucleus can be separated as Mr. Alex does.
    all these prototypes should be tried with a small replica and according to the results try to make one of larger size and capacity, as well as wind turbines from 1000w to 2500w or more, the advantage if built with this coil anti lenz would move easier .
    forward continue with your projects greetings
    Hi Alex,
    Thanks for the comments on the diagram. As far as whats out there on the network, I don't know, I only visit this site for alternate energy, I figure that most of the things out there will find their way here sooner or later.

    The dual rotor test bed was a project I started working on and it was going to be used to test a few different inductors, One of which is a distant cousin of the Faraday's homo-polar generator, where the hope was it would output four times the voltage, and it would be AC. That project is on hold for now until I get access to better tools like drop saws and drill presses,

    I have to ask, There is this guy called Alex, It looks like he is the inspiration for SkyWatchers latest thread, and also the above diagram, and also your name is Alex.
    Are you that Alex?

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  • Rakarskiy
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    The device of the compensated two-phase generator of the increased efficiency Russian patent RF 2317628

    The disadvantage of existing synchronous machines is that the magnetic flux created by permanent magnets of the rotor poles crosses the conductors of the stator winding located in the grooves of the inner surface of the stator. In this case, the generated electrical power in the generator is equal to the required mechanical power supplied to the generator rotor (excluding energy losses in the stator and mechanical energy losses in the rotor).
    In connection with the above, the efficiency of all existing synchronous generators is always less than one.

    The technical result, to achieve which the present invention is directed, is to create simple in design two-phase electric generators with efficiency greater than one.
    Figure 1 Figure 2

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  • alexelectric
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    Originally posted by lotec View Post
    Hi,
    I had this rough diagram I wanted to put out there for consumption. Although I think it is in the spirit of the first experiment in SkyWatchers latest thread, I thought it might be better if I posted it here so as not to be too bigger distraction.

    It is a partial side view of an axial flux generator with a two piece rotor, that is bolted together, as it passes the gen coils. The hope here is that the flux made by the generator coil, ignores the rotor, and chooses it's closed circuit path. It's untried and untested by myself.

    The blue shows the flux path that does the inducting, when the generator is not conducting, and the red shows the hoped for flux path of the gen coil when it is conducting.



    Edit....... ps I forgot the washers that space out the 2 pieces of the rotor.
    the design is fine, in fact in the network there is a configuration of this type that has only the magnets on the one hand, this configuration has been configured and working to have double pole its N and S by the inductive part of the core will be more V / amp.
    when I visualized in other images of the network and had only one pole, I thought that why not close for the other end with the opposite pole.
    You can also try the top where the coil is not, the nucleus can be separated as Mr. Alex does.
    all these prototypes should be tried with a small replica and according to the results try to make one of larger size and capacity, as well as wind turbines from 1000w to 2500w or more, the advantage if built with this coil anti lenz would move easier .
    forward continue with your projects greetings

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  • bistander
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    Benchwork

    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
    Very funny, the man in the video said hypothetically he was way
    over unity tho he said he had not finished by attaching a generator.

    My question is base on the weight of the wheel tell us how much
    he could get out of it. It is zero yes, which shows how absurd you
    are in defending your position.

    Answer plz. How much. See how incapable you are? There is no shame.

    It is best to be evasive like you are doing since no bench work will follow.
    Since you favor benchwork, do it and find out for yourself.

    Or, go to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flywheel , scroll down to the physics section and calculate it.

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  • Rakarskiy
    replied
    Originally posted by lotec View Post
    Hi,
    I had this rough diagram I wanted to put out there for consumption. Although I think it is in the spirit of the first experiment in SkyWatchers latest thread, I thought it might be better if I posted it here so as not to be too bigger distraction.

    It is a partial side view of an axial flux generator with a two piece rotor, that is bolted together, as it passes the gen coils. The hope here is that the flux made by the generator coil, ignores the rotor, and chooses it's closed circuit path. It's untried and untested by myself.

    The blue shows the flux path that does the inducting, when the generator is not conducting, and the red shows the hoped for flux path of the gen coil when it is conducting.



    Edit....... ps I forgot the washers that space out the 2 pieces of the rotor.


    Dear colleague! Anti Lentz is a great "duck" of General science, tucked among those who are looking for the formula of their device. This figure correctly shows the formula of magnetic switching, their total vector, action-counteraction, rotor rotation, which will be minimal. But the magnetic flux in the core and how EMF is formed are fundamentally wrong. Apply the "right hand" rule to the solenoid core, to the electromagnet and as the receiving coil of the external field of excitation? You won't see the difference. The greater the external flow, the greater the attraction between the magnet and the core, and more EMF.

    Leave a comment:

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