Single Wire Power - A Search for Ambient Power to do Wwork

[dR-Green]

Seems I'm not going to be able to get you to visualise this DR .. I must confess I'm getting a bit frazzled by the diminishing returns. I'm trying very hard to make you consider an unknown and you return a bit of copy and paste and a page of bog standard well known wiki . Wavelength is the unit of the electromagnetic wave. It certainly isn't the unit of the longitudinal wave . although it may be said to have a period. As I'm asking you to consider the electrical (equivalent) affects of this wave after what you may consider the (equivalent) of demodulation it is essential that you grasp the nature of it.
without rancor I urge you to watch and pay attention to this early presentation on the longitudinal wave. Particularly to the units whilst noting It isn't a sine wave and nothing to do with wavelength or really anything else your considering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7oAlvaC8ls

Alas if you can't grasp that this phenomena exists and its conversion produces something different to anything you (or I) know --(or is on wiki) there will be no progress , please avoid looping on sine and square waves - it doesn't apply as I explained I used it to indicate 'at a limit' a transformation to a different dimension.
of course Eric does it better Kind Regards Duncan

You're mixing up terms and components.

A longitudinal wave has a wavelength. Wavelength is the distance between any one point and the same point in the next repeating cycle. That is the length of the full wave, or one whole cycle.

If a longitudinal wave didn't have wavelength and frequency then there would be no such thing as music as it would be impossible to play any pitch (frequency).

A sine wave can be representative of anything. It's a value that changes over time.

A picture of a sine wave represents a longitudinal wave just as well as it represents a transverse wave. The compression and rarefaction zones are distributed as a sine wave.







A longitudinal wave can be sine or anything else, which is how it's possible to produce different sounds.

If you press a button softly and increase the pressure gradually before easing off the pressure again, the pattern it produces when pressure vs time is plotted on a graph is a sine wave. Switch the button on and off and the graph gives you a square wave. Vary it in any given fashion and you produce all kinds of waveforms. Value over time.

acoustics - How can a sine wave represent a longitudinal wave? - Physics Stack Exchange

AT&T Archives: Similiarities of Wave Behavior (Bonus Edition) - YouTube

Sine waves have nothing to do with propagating through space while still looking like a sine wave. It's a visual representation of how the value of some variable changes over time.

[Bob Smith]

I don't agree that what are often referred to as longitudinal "waves" are actually waves at all. It is my understanding that they are more like vectors or impulses.

I believe these longitudinal impulses are what we are looking for with single wire power, and that standard electrical measuring equipment is unable to measure them. Graham Gunderson seems to allude to this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...nMSIBTi8#t=914

Bob

[Duncan]

if the cap fits ..

https://vimeo.com/41021469

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcRf0y5-_Uw

[mikrovolt]

Categories of Waves

When Dollard made that video he was adapting the lecture on math equivalents for
a ham radio club distracted by audience member. It may have been more accepted at that time if expressed something like this:

The oscillating current (mode) of the impulse waveform
used by Tesla was utilized in units of cycles decibels per second.
Note the non-asymptotic attribute on a graph dips below zero.
Here is the hyperbolic expression...

What is important is that he stated the idea that probably someone with
RCA helped in his learning long ago and we get a mix of his own math and research.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=r7oAlvaC8ls#t=520

Using a current probe type instrument would be inherent to antenna design
radio enthusist spark gap transmitters a favorite subject was the best voltage and velocity
for ham transmission such as 80 and 160 meters. In making strong reference
I can tell you his talk off air was more radio philosophy from a math research.

[BroMikey]

https://vimeo.com/41021469
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcRf0y5-_Uw

Woe Doggy Nice Doggy.

[DavidE]

dR-Green

You're mixing up terms and components.

And you are acting as though your interpretations are somehow universal law. Man in this age can only see according to their momentary frame of reference. This somehow escapes you.

[dR-Green]

dR-Green



And you are acting as though your interpretations are somehow universal law. Man in this age can only see according to their momentary frame of reference. This somehow escapes you.

It's not my interpretation. Sine waves don't imply transverse waves. Longitudinal waves can be sine or of any other conceivable waveform. Wavelength is not the unit of the electromagnetic wave. That's just how it is.

Being limited to seeing something according to one's limited momentary frame of reference doesn't escape me. I'm witnessing it right now.

[thx1138]

Seems I'm not going to be able to get you to visualise this DR .. I must confess I'm getting a bit frazzled by the diminishing returns. I'm trying very hard to make you consider an unknown and you return a bit of copy and paste and a page of bog standard well known wiki . Wavelength is the unit of the electromagnetic wave. It certainly isn't the unit of the longitudinal wave . although it may be said to have a period. As I'm asking you to consider the electrical (equivalent) affects of this wave after what you may consider the (equivalent) of demodulation it is essential that you grasp the nature of it.
without rancor I urge you to watch and pay attention to this early presentation on the longitudinal wave. Particularly to the units whilst noting It isn't a sine wave and nothing to do with wavelength or really anything else your considering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7oAlvaC8ls

Alas if you can't grasp that this phenomena exists and its conversion produces something different to anything you (or I) know --(or is on wiki) there will be no progress , please avoid looping on sine and square waves - it doesn't apply as I explained I used it to indicate 'at a limit' a transformation to a different dimension.
of course Eric does it better Kind Regards Duncan

After studying Tesla for 4 1/2 years I don't recall Tesla every using the term "longitudinal wave" although I do remember one paper or lecture he did in which he called what he was doing similar to sound waves. I suspect that got translated to "longitudinal waves" but that misses one very important feature of sound waves - they are unidirectional. Although the air is oscillating in its density the waves only travel away from the source.

Classic longitudinal waves are oscillations of density with areas of compaction and rarefaction and they can be either stationary waves with the density peaks in the same place or traveling waves with the density peaks moving.

The video at the link above only confuses the issue. In one place Dollard speaks of the waves traveling at c X Pi/2 (superluminal) but at the end of his presentation he and the other presenter do the demonstration with the garden hose where they say when you move one end of the hose the other moves instantaneously.

The former I can see as a wave but the latter is not a wave at all. It is instantaneous movement so no wave is formed and therefore it has no period or frequency. It's what is called "entanglement" in quantum physics. The distance between the two points that are the ends of the transfer medium become irrelevant. If the distance is irrelevant there is no wave.

The movement that is transmitted can have a frequency or period if and only if the force causing that movement is continually re-gauged to its origin and applied again. That will not happen in a unidirectional transmission. There can be multiple series or parallel unidirectional transmissions but the transmission system is never re-gauged.

Think of X-rays, alpha, beta, or gamma rays. That is unidirectional transmission of electrical charge.

But all of this is only transmission. It is not extracting energy from the environment to do work. As far as I know Tesla never claimed that his transmission method extracted energy from the environment and he never said there were no losses. He did say the losses were minimal - less than 3% if I remember correctly - and the only additional power that would have to be supplied was that consumed. The point, however, was that the generating plant could be built at the source of the fuel and that power could then be transmitted anywhere in the world without the expense of building and maintaining power lines. The power station at Niagara Falls would be the perfect example. The power station is already there and it could operate without transmission lines. He also noted that the problem was that it was geographically dependent on the location of suitable dams. With his system power plants could be built right at the coal fields so not only would the transmission lines be eliminated but the cost of transporting the fuel to the power plant would also be eliminated.

But still that is only transmission, not extraction of energy to provide that power. He believed that all energy was derived from nature yet if we walk outside and look around, man made objects are easily distinguished from natural objects. In fact, the way we camouflage man made objects is by breaking up their man made outlines. The basis of that is that we make our objects utilizing Euclidean geometry and it is that geometry of near perfect lines, corners, and circles that make our constructions stand apart from the natural environment. It seems to me that doggedly clinging to the sine wave may, in fact, be one thing that is holding us back.

I think fractal geometry can lend a hand in that endeavor. It leads to the bizarre (at least to me) concept of fractional dimensions – say, 2.68 dimensions rather than 1, 2, 3, etc integer dimensions – which is the basis of the name.

“Why is geometry often described as 'cold' and 'dry'? One reason lies in its inability to describe the shape of a cloud, a mountain, a coastline, or a tree. Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a straight line... Nature exhibits not simply a higher degree but an altogether different level of complexity.” - Benoît Mandelbrot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yE4d7O17wE – The best overview of fractal geometry I’ve seen.

Note in that video the role computers played in the development of fractal geometry. It could not be useful until the advent of the computer. Euclidean geometry served mankind well but I think its time has passed in development of power systems that extract energy from the environment.

The only things I've seen that get near fractal geometry are the antennas said to be fractal antennas yet they too are built with three dimensional geometry with straight lines and sharp corners.

I was looking at natural fractal patterns of river beds the other day and it occurred to me how similar they are to lightning and Lichtenberg figures. That got me thinking about things that flow and there are a lot of similar patterns, like the circulatory systems of plants and animals and, to some extent, the neuron networks in brains. That is somewhat interesting because the second presentation in the longitudinal wave video linked above mentions these thing but doesn't get into fractals. That might be because they weren't commonly known at the time the video was made.
Trees
Lichenteberg Figures
Lightning
Google Earth Rivers

More later. This is probably too long now.

[DavidE]

dR-Green

Wait for it...

dR-Green said:

That's just how it is.

At least we agree relative to your black and white attitude - and you demonstrate it beautifully, "That's just how it is."

Might you hold open a small space of possibilities that you are not yet able to comprehend?

[dR-Green]

dR-Green

Wait for it...

dR-Green said:


At least we agree relative to your black and white attitude - and you demonstrate it beautifully, "That's just how it is."

Might you hold open a small space of possibilities that you are not yet able to comprehend?

I didn't make it up so what's your point? If you can't comprehend how the motion of a piston can be represented by a sine wave or at least a triangle wave, and that sine waves don't automatically and exclusively imply electromagnetic waves, and prefer to dispense insults claiming that it's (I'm) wrong then there's nothing more to say. The fact that you are able to hear different waveforms and pitches proves it for a start. You are the one who's missing the point so all the more that you don't understand.

[mikrovolt]

Like biology the nomenclature had to be revised many times.
They finally got it down to a hierarchy charts and now computers use genes.

The electric universe has some interesting beginnings and interesting scientist.
To compare Tnx images to planet surface scaring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xxaP91FdijU#t=2678

"If we could just make an I-Max movie of this I think we could make it "

[thx1138]

https://vimeo.com/41021469
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcRf0y5-_Uw

So we put the dog on a flywheel and connect a generator via a shaft to the flywheel and WA LA - FREE ENERGY!

But the key question is do we get more energy out of the generator than we put into twisting the dog's tail?

[Bob Smith]

So we put the dog on a flywheel and connect a generator via a shaft to the flywheel and WA LA - FREE ENERGY!

But the key question is do we get more energy out of the generator than we put into twisting the dog's tail?

I think the point is that we can get caught up in minutiae and end up going in circles, instead of moving forward.

What I can take away from the last page or so is an affirmation that we indeed live in an electric universe, and that no electrical system is a completely closed system, while some are deliberately designed as open systems. The electric universe or aether can supply additional energy to an electrical system under the proper conditions, particularly when a pulse is involved. And the energy output of a pulsed system (drawing on the ambient) is equal to the cube of its frequency - doubling the frequency of a pulse can increase the aether's charge response by a cubed factor of that doubling (i.e., 2x2x2 = 8).

There's a vast reservoir that can be tapped with the right wave forms and coil arrangements. This reservoir will supply a circuit, particularly one using a lead acid battery, with a huge amount of charge which does not behave like ordinary voltage (or current), and is difficult to measure.

Now, keeping in mind that the aether's response to an open system produces a different kind of charge than that which is conventionally measured, we need different terminology to account for its movements in supplying a system.

One of our contributors has talked about charge density and its relationship with voltage in a pulsing system. I'll defer to him to perhaps say something when he's ready, or if he prefers, I'll take a crack at it from our exchanges.

Bob

[Jeff Pearson]

Let us not forget the classic sine waveform actually represents a helix and not the two dimensional representation we see even when it represents a standard sine wave

[Duncan]

Ah well - In for a penny in for a Pound

Here's a scribble to consider ..


OOOPs in my hast CAP is wrong side of FWBR-still you get the idea I'm sure!
Thx really thanks for taking the time and trouble to reply in detail – I know the cost . I have not studied Tesla in great detail and although I quoted Tesla regard's longitudinal wave the truth is I was quoting some one else's interpretation.
Its Bobs thread and the man points out its getting bogged down as we each try to make our visions and interpretations stand up .
So I offer you a very simple circuit to try. For all its simplicity each of you will view it very differently.
Each component is not reacting as you are taught that it should. Huge amounts of energy will be transferred to a single wire . So much so that internal battery connections may melt . (although melting doesn't describe disintigrate is a tad better)fellow member tachyoncatcher (Randy) had some nice pictures of this effect once . don't know if they are posted anywhere
Every part of this is controversial and in no way can it be said to be an invention or anything else that pertains only to me , It is rather parts, of the work and statements of many others, That I have cut down to the very bone and then assembled into the very crudest and simple (but working) example I can.
Whilst In its simplest state this is shown connected to the mains supply (because it requires timing and an antenna) That introduces an element of danger so .. At your own risk ! Mains supplies have a characteristic called PSCC (prospective short circuit current) which in turn allows the impedance of the supply to be considered (Typically 1000s of amps and under 1 ohm) you could I guess view this as similar to the internal resistance of a battery . Having had my knuckles wrapped for miss quoting Tesla once I hesitate to quote again but “consider the whole circuit” comes to mind
Regarding this circuit impedance needs to be low. So if your tempted to make things more comfortable by using a transformer try and find a largish one. The source impedance is important .. (seems others have matched that impedance by various methods usually reserved for antenna work.) DL Smith TK Moray ect
Those of you who have toyed with Mr Bedini's SSGs (and I guess most have been tempted at some time) know that one of the great mysteries is their ability to resuscitate and rejuvenate Batteries .
Batteries that have been left to sulphate and crystallize for years. It should also have become apparent that some folks (however rarely) managed to loop their machines. (IMHO the resilience of the crystal structure is the main component here.) Any circuit or device that rejuvenates lead acid batteries as opposed to charging them then requires scrutiny … Its doing something very special and unexplained its also a step along the road to 'free energy' To say “any capacitor in an AC circuit causes a 90 Deg phase shift” sounds rather ridiculous to analog electronics guys but millions of electricians world wide are taught 'that’s how it is'

capacitor - How are current and voltage out of phase in capacitive circuit? - Electrical Engineering Stack Exchange

Along with that, and sometimes even in the same lesson comes this power equation for AC circuits
P = VI cos Ø to combine these two bits of truncated teaching would mean any circuit containing a capacitor uses 'no real power' and can do no work …. whilst making no attempt to correct this something is obviously very wrong. If there's a fudge in electrical theory there's something to exploit!
Electrical terms and teaching are very different from electronics teaching. Electronics folks are for the most part totally ignorant of the spinning vortexes made up of harmonics and overtones which make up the teaching of power grids. The teaching of Radio folks is different again
On this occasion however the electronics view is needed . A variable series capacitance will at some point make a series resonant circuit such that P = VI cos Ø is Zero
because P = 0 energy = 0 although of course huge currents may flow there can be no heat ! That requires 'real energy' … This current is referred to as 'reactive current' and the product of reactive current and voltage is ' reactive power' reactive power we are taught “can do no work” Its called by some ' The wattless component' Volt Amps reactive = VARs If VARs can do any work at all then the text books must be re-written and the view of energy revised … That’s how it stands!
It transpires that whilst VARs may not do work in any detectable or definable sense (to our instruments or senses) given a crystal structure such as the LA battery it will (and sometimes frighteningly, pretty much instantly)
rejuvenate any number of Batteries.
This is not a Current many folks are familiar with. It used to be called 'Magnetic current' It circulates in ground wires and in the ground itself it conducts easily through some things we consider insulators.
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After my 35 years of experiments with the term "free energy" and "over unity machines". This is what it turns out to be "Reactive power" and that's it!
John Bedini

So read this Carefully first before you attempt – It is basically 'the front end' and all the cautions apply.
Especially the rating and quality of capacitors and bridge.
Capacitive Battery Charger - John Saves Energy

LA batteries you may recall are rated in amp/hours there is no power and hence no energy component required. You simply assume its a requisite IMHO and practice that’s a big mistake!
Although you cannot detect see or measure this amazing current and it can effect its own path through almost anything it is greatly assisted by a very solid earth connection and large copper cable strapped to one battery connection. (It doesn't seem to matter which)
In other incarnations and I think here of TH Moray this magnetic current flow is from a good solid ground connection , Through a crystal structure (he devised far more efficient than chance LA Battery condition)
and exited via a tuned antenna. The tuned antenna isn't a requirement here as the negligible resistance of the grid means its responsive to a very wide bandwidth . So Do your net work operator (NWO) a favor and build this It is almost pure capacitive load using no 'real power' and your providing PF correction on their lines FREE ! … very philenthropic !
Of course a fully charged LA battery itself has only a very small Internal resistance so once charged the advantage is then lost. (hence JBs swapping batteries buisness) Its not a linear curve ! kind regards Duncan
PS Rotoverter info regarding capacitance variable box is useful