Basic Free Energy Device

[Aaron]

3 battery setup

Might be helpful to post John's diagrams from his old site showing the basic 3 battery setup with a light bulb. Would help orient people to the basic concept that you do have a usable potential between the positives with a common ground.

[shylo]

Expierimenting

Hi Dave , I was running a test today and yesterday with my modified Matt winding.
I was using three dead batteries , the battery in the #3 position has a couple dead cells (it will only charge to 10.5vdc) .
The 2 primaries will charge to ~12.5vdc, but when you load them , they drop out of site.
I ran for six hours , #1 was up, #2 was down, and #3 was up. Batts 1&3 added value exceeds the lose in #2, plus 6 hours of a motor running.
I also tried the transformers but that was a fail.
Still trying.
artv

[Turion]

For quite a while I bought a single 1/16 inch iron rod every time I went to Lowes. I have a bundle of them two inches in diameter and planned on building this some day. I even experimented with wrapping it with wire, but never got around to any serious testing.

There is a dutch patent that is very similar to this, only at the end of his core he has a nonconductive spacer and then a magnet with the same diameter as the iron rod. I don't remember any other specifics of that patent, and can't seem to find it.

Found the one I was looking for:

http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Patents/DE3024814.pdf

There is a much better diagram of it here: http://www.jcornett.com/jc/misc_docs...y_Handout3.pdf but you have some other stuff to wade through to get to it. Some of you might like that stuff you have to wade through.

On another note, here is someone working on something that has some things similar to what Matt and I have been talking about. He also has some things that are quite different.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuq92YQKmbk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KGLWjmxSsU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkXTu0az2Vs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOShTT2H-rY

[boguslaw]

I think this info will blow your mind
Do you know/remember Daniel McFarland Cook patent from 1871 ?
I have found that people did a lot of research on this person and it appear to be prolific inventor of his times like Tesla and a mighty , rich man who spent every penny on experimentations to finally find overunity generator.
This is back in time before Tesla vs Edison "currents war", before all electric era.
After this findings of old invention , now I believe ancients could have free energy....it's just a matter of how hard you try to find data in archives...

Mansfield's D.M. Cook and his enduring energy - Richland Source: Community News | Richland Source

[Ted Ewert]

In any public forum you're going to get all kinds of wonky responses from people who don't understand your presentation. A new concept often has to be repeated over and over for people to get it.
Inventor types usually don't have the kind of patience it takes to be a good teacher.
I have had detractors in the past who forced me take a closer look at what I had brought to the table. They made me to put into words what I sometimes only vaguely understood. A healthy amount of skepticism is necessary to keep the project grounded.
Angry or frustrated people don't generally provide healthy skepticism, which tends to annoy everybody. I don't know how you get around it, but it's part of the nature of the beast and needs to be born with patience and resignation.
That said, I'm a firm advocate of the "build more, talk less" school of discovery. I realize that not everyone's a builder. Nonbuilders don't realize what a handicap this is and think that the mind is sufficient to resolve new concepts. I can't tell you how many theories I've had which stood up to rigorous mental scrutiny and utterly failed on the bench. That's why I build.
New discovery is a long and difficult process. Working together with a positive and hopeful attitude will go a long way towards solving problems instead of creating new ones

[TheoriaApophasis]

most is only the stuff I feel has no real commercial value.
AC

honest question.

WHY MUST IT?


99% of knowledge and wisdom doesnt "put out" .
must it be about $$$$$ ???



What happened to a PURE desire to KNOW for sake of KNOWING

[Allcanadian]

@Turion

I can barely stand to come to this forum anymore. Most of the builders I have worked with for so many years have given up and moved on, although I am in contact with MANY of them by email or phone on occasion. All we are left with now are a bunch of folks who jump from thread to thread posting videos they have seen on YouTube that they believe are "for real" and a bunch of others who feel compelled to share how the "THEORY" they have come up with applies to every possible thread on the forum.

That was NEVER the purpose of this forum. NEVER.

I believe the purpose of this forum is to share our thoughts and insight's with one another. However we should understand that sharing means giving and to truly give something means there can be no strings attached.

We could also think of this forum as a transition point because anyone who has been here for any length of time understands that the people who may actually have something that matters always leave this place for greener pastures without sharing what they have learned. It is an unfortunate truth and in the words of T.H.Moray...you cannot prove anything to anyone who will not prove the matter for themselves.

So I believe we should take what is given at face value, it is what it is, and if anyone really wanted to give away all they have learned they would have. The question is, if you really have something and claim to want to share it then why haven't you?, why not just lay it out for everyone to see just as you would expect them too?. You see that's not the way we operate is it and I only share maybe 5% and most is only the stuff I feel has no real commercial value. I have no problem admitting this openly and as such I have low expectations of others sharing anything of real value.

In any case if we expect people to be honest and openly share everything then we should do the same with no string attached...it is a two way street and what goes around comes around.

AC

[DavidE]

Let's stop talking and start doing.

Turion,

"The Trinity Device" (or whatever you decide to call it if you lead the project)

Propose your proof of concept build with enough details that people can decide for themselves if it is a worthy build. Start a builders thread and request that only those building and testing your concept device are to post on that thread.

Maintain a public list of those participants that are building or testing, and be clear that others (non-builders) can only communicate with builders/testers by PM if necessary.

If you set up the thread like that and others still don't follow the rules of the thread - all builders and testers on the thread need to learn the discipline of stepping over non-compliant posters so as to not feed distractions.

As you and I have discussed before, the concept build must be of manageable size and scope and have the potential to prove (through experimental evidence) a new proposed belief. The proof of the proposed device and result will in time be obvious by actually delivering a common result through replication.

No matter what you propose and build, there will always be people that choose the course of disbelief - they will shout from the rafters about the injustice of what you believe. The rule of life is that agendas are innumerable and should remain the sovereign property of each life. Let's spend every waking moment focusing on what you say you believe to exist, and with just a few other souls - a movement will begin.

Don't let the howler monkeys spook you from your game - have no doubt they are here to stay and they do have their place in the food chain. Think about it like a jungle - don't try to shape it, learn how to navigate it.

Keep it simple, begin.

[Aaron]

purpose of this thread

Aaron,
I was just a watcher back when John was posting here frequently, but I watched him as he was challenged time after time after time. I saw Matt go through the same crap on the Use for the Tesla Switch thread long after John quit posting there.

I was at the first conference, but haven't been able to make it back for a second round yet. Life got in the way. I know John likes to leave SOMETHING out when he gives us info because he worked hard for the expertise he has, and everyone just wants to be spoon fed all the answers instead of having to work for the solution. There's helping, and then there's doing it FOR someone.

Matt and I want to work with some folks who actually want to BUILD something and improve upon it, without having to listen to the useless babbling of people who say it can't be done or want to spend all their time trying to cram THEIR theory down OUR throats. We have some things that work. We though about starting small and taking folks through a building process step by step, and not giving them the next step until they show they have completed the previous one correctly. Matt tried something like that on the Tesla switch thread, and it was a pain in the butt for him.

I have a tie in with a Major Sillicon Valley corporation whose chief electrical research engineer has been down in my basement and seen my 3BGS running on one of the GOOD days when it was doing things he could not explain. And he was using HIS meters. So they have been supplying me with lots of free stuff. Magnets, all the AWG 18 wire I can possibly use, and they are even prepared to buy me a coil winder when I get my new shop up and running. They are interested in the potential of some of the things we have been working on.

We thought about just grabbing some of the people we know and going to a private forum to do this where we can uninvited anyone who doesn't get with the program, but thought we would give it a shot here first. Matt has his own server and has hosted us at other times. But like Matt said, we grew up here.

Dave

I'll look forward to the progress! It's your thread so if you only want people to post here after they actually build something the moderators will help enforce it.

There are a few private forums here for people's private projects and there are options to have a pw protected forum, etc... only for people building. All that can be setup here. I think it is best to have it in the open so everyone can learn and just delete unwelcome posts.

If people are skeptical or whatever, they're welcome to start a new thread and do what they want as long as they don't disrupt the conversation.

[Turion]

Delima

Aaron,
I was just a watcher back when John was posting here frequently, but I watched him as he was challenged time after time after time. I saw Matt go through the same crap on the Use for the Tesla Switch thread long after John quit posting there.

I was at the first conference, but haven't been able to make it back for a second round yet. Life got in the way. I know John likes to leave SOMETHING out when he gives us info because he worked hard for the expertise he has, and everyone just wants to be spoon fed all the answers instead of having to work for the solution. There's helping, and then there's doing it FOR someone.

Matt and I want to work with some folks who actually want to BUILD something and improve upon it, without having to listen to the useless babbling of people who say it can't be done or want to spend all their time trying to cram THEIR theory down OUR throats. We have some things that work. We though about starting small and taking folks through a building process step by step, and not giving them the next step until they show they have completed the previous one correctly. Matt tried something like that on the Tesla switch thread, and it was a pain in the butt for him.

I have a tie in with a Major Sillicon Valley corporation whose chief electrical research engineer has been down in my basement and seen my 3BGS running on one of the GOOD days when it was doing things he could not explain. And he was using HIS meters. So they have been supplying me with lots of free stuff. Magnets, all the AWG 18 wire I can possibly use, and they are even prepared to buy me a coil winder when I get my new shop up and running. They are interested in the potential of some of the things we have been working on.

We thought about just grabbing some of the people we know and going to a private forum to do this where we can uninvited anyone who doesn't get with the program, but thought we would give it a shot here first. Matt has his own server and has hosted us at other times. But like Matt said, we grew up here.

Dave

[Aaron]

@Matt

David is building a larger one, but we have a basic blueprint in mind for a motor gen that will incorporate several of the known effect to show gain. Not anything mind blowing but that something that can be built and through building it you should gain basic understand of the right and wrong way to employ effect. Coil shorting, drag Free (Lenz free) techniques, recycling of current through high speed switching, ect.

And we want to share it, preferably here. Since we both grew up here if you will.

But you yourself Aaron know the delima of posting anything and trying to maintain a track for progress without everyone knowing better or comparing or whatever.

Every attempt someone has made within the last year was sidetracked by the usual suspects pushing there own agenda.

So David and I have been going around with each other trying to figure out how to get this out without hitting the wall.

We have no firm plans as of yet but the thought of working on a plan and at the same time start challenging people cooperate instead of all the crap they wanna do first. And even just see if it can happen at all without publishing and charging for it.

Follow Me? Its tough to consider others in any of these environments. Maybe its the same as always or maybe its changed, I don't know.

Matt

Whatever you want to post here would be great. I can put out announcements to drive traffic to any thread, etc. at anytime. And I can also delete distractions at anytime as well.

[Aaron]

free energy

There are STILL things about that build John has not shared. Maybe in the advanced book he will. But I am not holding my breath.

Getting a COP of 1.5 is not nearly enough.

Actually some of the most important things going back to the 1984 book are in plain view but have never been discussed over all these years. These will be pointed out in the advanced book as well as other things that will take everyone's experiments to the next level. If everyone applies what is already in the first and second book, they'll get over 1.0 COP if they add the mechanical work. It won't self run but it proves the point and that is all the SG/SSG was ever supposed to do.

You're right. COP 1.5 is easy to do but is not enough to "save the world" or whatever. Again, it just proves the point and extends our understanding of these kind of electrical systems beyond the closed system propaganda in the books. It is a learning tool and that is all anyone should expect out of it.

Yes, they can be scaled up for bigger practical applications.

And for anyone that followed the history - John did explain one self runner that kept itself charged up. Swapping batteries from back to front with large cap dumps and a mechanical switch. That was with the plexiglass wheel and the coils hitting the side of the wheel instead of the edge. The circuit was important - not the geometry but large cap discharge and mechanical switch always gave the best that I can recall.

Thanks for supporting others in their experiments. I'm glad you can see it for what it is.

[Aaron]

have to charge batteries matched for the size of the SSG

Bedini SSG worked nicely made from old child bicycle wheel....though I was unable to desulphate my dead batteries...maybe my fault.

The reason for this in most cases is that too big of a battery is being charged with a certain size coil. There are people who have a single power winding of 150 feet 18 awg for example and they're trying to charge a car battery. Ideally, it has to all be matched.

On a 7 transistor circuit to spec in our book, we can draw 1.3 amps so * 20 = 26 amp hour battery at a c20 rate so 7 power windings at 150 feet of 18 awg I believe and 1 trigger of same size is a pretty good match for a 26 amp hour battery.

20-30 amp range will be fine that is the upper limit to what that particular SSG should charge. Charging a 600cca - roughly 60ah battery with a machine that size isn't going to cut it. Lucky to push it to 11-12 volts or so, which isn't enough when it needs to go to 15.0-15.2 for flooded cell batts for the final topping charge.

Not sure if you're using batteries too big but point is, has to be matched.

[Aaron]

John Bedini

You stated Dave that you didn't think John Bedini failed us in the instructions of the BUILD HE TOLD US TO make, right?

Well that is right. The Build that John has us all building is the one where he states you have everything you need. Right? Right!!!!

John said this to the audience, "BECAUSE THE PEOPLE ON THESE FORUMS PISSED THE INVENTOR OFF!!!!

@All,

As far as the SG/SSG - our SG handbooks are the only authorized books on the subject that give the EXACT specs that John uses to build his own. We even show how to match the transistors, etc...

For the "Ferris Wheel" shown as the conference, it had a COP minimum of 3.0. Not only did it keep the back batteries charged up, the front batteries never dropped. Everyone was allowed to look at the machine up close and John even had a drill and a hole saw and asked if anyone wanted to drill holes in the coil stands to see if anything was hidden in there. Nobody took him up on that offer - there is nothing in there however. The only thing he didn't show was his cap discharge circuit.

In any case, a machine that big can't just be build by anyone - the coils alone cost thousands of dollars in wire - those coils were bigger than the batteries and someone can kill themselves with coils like that if they get the discharge into their hand because they don't know what they're doing. This machine had the lower circuit and the upper circuit around the axle, which is related to the moon boot circuit and almost nobody is going to easily find those magnets he used.

John was kind enough to personally post stuff here for quite a few years and everyone that has been around knows what happens. We get a bunch of clowns who think they know everything yet they know nothing. They claim something doesn't work because they've been brainwashed in school - they build nothing to actually find out and if and when they do, they don't even build it as instructed. That has been the case for years and is no surprise why you don't see John post here anymore. The other forum is the only place he will post anymore.

[Aaron]

@Turion

I know what he has built and what he has actually working, which is more than I can say about anybody else who is posting on the forum. Matt is a builder. When he says something doesn't work, it is likely because he has built it and tested it and put in the time and effort to try and make it work. When he says something DOES work, it is because he has a working model.

TA,
You say John is wrong. Apparently you didn't read my thread, or just don't care. So now we have your "Theory" of the ways to build an energy device. Exactly what I asked NOT happen. Congratulations, you have proven beyond a doubt that you have nothing to contribute except theory, so from now on I can simply ignore you. I don't know why you bothered to even comment here. You have started like five threads of your own and you comment on every single thread on the forum. Can't you just let this one alone so that people who want to build don't have to listen to your endless babble? The components John listed for a working machine are exactly the components I have in a machine that works, so I would have to disagree with you on your statement about John. You are entitled to your opinion and your "theories", but I would rather deal with facts.

Farmhand,
I know how to measure power out vs power in. It isn't difficult. You are absolutely correct about batteries. I have seen all kinds of wonky readings out of batteries over the last ten years of experimenting. I am not going to argue with anyone about whether or not working device can be built. That is a complete waste of my time. If you don't have a prototype sitting on your bench, how do you know it doesn't work? If you DO have a prototype, lets discuss how to improve it and MAKE it work. If that can't be done, then you can tell everyone what an idiot I am. That should make you happy. Acceleration under load happens, but only with resistive loads. I can make that happen all day long, but I want to run more than resistive loads.

I am about BUILDING SOMETHING, not arguing whether or not it is possible. If you want to build, lets get busy. If you want to theorize and whine and argue that it can't work, please go away. You have NO business on this thread.

The proof is in the math folks. No one should believe anything they see in some video. What they SHOULD believe is a device sitting in front of them on their own bench that they can put their own meters on and test. But most of you won't take the time or spend the money. AND IT DOES take money. You have to be willing to wind lots of different coils before you get one that will do what you want, and copper aint cheap.

Most will do as TA and Farmhand have done. Come on a thread where I proposed we build something and do everything they can to derail it with negative statements. I can tell you right now that I will respond to no more statements by either one of them. They have shown in their first post that all they want to do is talk and prevent actual building from going on. Why is that, I wonder?

If you can show me a battery attached to a motor and flywheel running a
rotor with magnets on it and two coils that you have wound, we have some common ground to begin a discussion. If not, please don't bother to post here. Can I be any more clear than that? You don't need to be the self appointed Guardian of the Galaxy making sure I don't lead someone down the wrong path. I am not selling kits or books or charging for workshops. I am trying to form a group of like minded individuals who are willing to build a device and improve it. Why can't you naysayers just leave us alone and let us do that? Why do you feel you HAVE to stick your nose in and comment? PLease just go away and babble on someone else's thread. Please. Pretty Please. There, I asked nicely.

Dave

@Turion, I met Matt at that same conference too but there are others here who are builders as well. I've personally put multiple gigabytes of schematics, videos, photographs, explanations, etc... of my own experiments right here in this forum since I started it back around 2007 or so. John and Peter has also personally put quite a bit right here in this forum as well as many others.

@All, here are a couple facts about John Bedini's work. At the 2013 conference, he showed everyone the "Generator" mode to run the SG in. It draws more from the front end but it also outputs more than in normal "spike" mode or normal spike mode charging caps, etc... Only a few people seemed to have tried to replicate it to see what it does and almost all of this is being discussed over at Activity Stream - Energy Science Forum

Even without Generator mode, it is over 1.0 COP, but I'm not going into that right now. I will mention that at the recent 2014 conference Peter Lindemann showed a SSG with the comparator cap dump circuit on the back end and ran it in normal mode where spikes charge the cap and cap to battery then switched it to generator mode. With normal spike to cap mode, we already know we can get over 90% back from the back end battery.

As a note about the battery, Farmhand keeps whining about the measurements because he is a fraud and weasel. He acts like he is just trying to ask questions, but he is full of crap. In OU, he slanders Jim Murray, Paul Babcock, and myself comes here and posts in the 20.0 COP thread with his weasle words about how I have a right to be angry but he is just trying to ask questions? He is a weasel trouble maker who admits here he is new to the electrical experimentation yet he is qualified to dispute what he can't even understand? It's hypocritical. And he doesn't have the slightest ability to comprehend very basic English. The SERPS device isn't producing 50 watts of light from 1 watt draw - 1 watt is the NET draw. If 50 watts leaves the power supply to light 50 watts of bulbs and the circuit returns 49 watts - that power is what lights the bulb NOT the 1 watt net and he is too ignorant - arrogant more like it - to realize that his analysis of what is going on with any of these kind of circuits is so far gone from reality that he can't figure out which way is up. Just a warning to everyone - Farmhand is a disingenuous fraud and a weasel who will twist your words to mean whatever he needs them to mean in any moment out of convenience.

Anyone that knows what they're doing understands that you can't measure the output directly with a meter - the only honest way to see what you get is to drain the back battery to see what it actually did to the battery. That is because what happens in the battery is NOT directly proportional to what can be measured leaving the circuit. That is because BOTH the capacitors (electret effect) and the battery getting charged are both open to the environment (open dissipative system). Obviously if the output was directly proportional to what can be measured leaving the output, we would no longer have an open system.

By electret effect in the caps, when you charge them with high voltage spikes, it conditions them in a way that their self charging ability goes into super mode so it takes less from the circuit to actually get the caps up to the same level. We know that you can short a cap and it goes up a bit but that is similar but not the same. I found that out years ago charging a 1uf or so 1000 volt cap to a couple hundred volts from my Sony Capstan SG motor and I did it so much that I could short it out and instead of it just climbing itself up to a few volts, it would actually bounce back to over 100 volts over and over and over. It was a novelty to me at the time as I did not yet realize what a good application for it was but that is happening at a certain level in the cap dump circuits for the SG where the caps get charged by the inductive spikes.

Anyway, when Peter put it in generator mode, the input draw increased by 50%, however.... the output of the caps increased by 100%. Those caps in the comparator circuit are discharging at the SAME voltage each time and they obviously get charged to the SAME capacity each time meaning each discharge there are the same joules of potential energy being discharged to the battery - but by increasing the front side draw by only half, we're able to have the caps output double?

If in normal mode we can get 90%+ from the back end on a computerized battery analyzer like the CBA IV that I have then what does it mean when you double the output of the caps by only increasing the front draw by 50%? And that doesn't even include adding the mechanical work done at the wheel.

I still haven't heard from one person that realized what they just saw there with that exact demo. That model was sitting around for the whole conference for anyone to go look at it and write down any specifics on the circuit, how it was modified, how the generator coil was wired, etc...

Furthermore, Peter showed a generator coil (not to be confused with "Generator Mode") lighting a bank of LED's yet it did not slow the speed of the rotor at all. The RPM's dropped 0.00 RPM while powering the generator coil. What are the implications of a drag free generator coil?

We were also able to have it run all 7 power windings of course with 7 transistor, but at only 1.3 amps draw on the front end. That is 186ma per transistor average but most people are normally able to get it to run at 1.7-1.8 or more for 7 transistors. This is in normal mode and not common ground generator mode. Just by tuning it right to drop the input from 1.7 amps to 1.3 amps is already about a 25% saving or reduction on the front end with an increase in both mechanical power and electrical output.

For anyone seriously interested in the Bedini SG cicuits, which there is plenty about this deceptively simple circuit that most people have not realized yet - Activity Stream - Energy Science Forum is where most of that is posted. At least spend time in there to do some reading and then post here.

John already showed the Generator mode in whatever video set Tony Craddock released.

With the latest build that Peter and I have worked on, I can't say too much until we release the book because it will show many new things but also some things that have been sitting in plain site since the 80's that John released but to date, I'll leave it at that for now.

For now, if anyone wants to work with any of the Bedini circuits, which actually do what is claimed when people build them to spec, the Generator mode schematics I believe are in the other forum. I can help where I can. And attraction mode is how we want to run these energizers - not in repulsion mode because the coil bucking against a magnet has losses that cannot be recovered and that loss is non-existent in attraction mode.

Anyway Turion, just a few things that I wanted to mention about John's circuits.

What specifically do you have in mind as far as building something? Is it based on an SG type circuit or something different?