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[Ernst]

I am not cheering for anyone. I see that you guys have nothing to offer to the discussion but mainstream science. You prefer to believe in already accepted models without questioning them which I find vapid.

You are wrong! As I said numerous times, I have personally reviewed various experiments proving the rotation of the Earth. And as for its shape, read up a bit on map making.

Of course, Cikljamas might be wrong too, but at least he doesn't blindly believe in mainstream science. He might fanatically defend his own belief, well, you're doing absolutely the same. Everyone has the right to believe in whatever they want, especially when it comes to such things, I think it cannot be determined easily so one should remain skeptical.

Again wrong! But, the ease of the proof also depends largely on the knowledge and understanding of the observer. The proof can be very obvious, yet you lack the skills to understand it.

As for the Moon and all the celestial phenomena there might be a million explanations, just use your imagination as the 'scientists' often do. You can construct a model of your own and if you had the authority to enforce it, it would be a credible model too. That is the difference.

And wrong again! Why haven't the both of you come up with one plausible explanation if you have millions to choose from

People five centuries ago were not dumber, they were just as smart as modern day folks, but people in general believe in whatever they are told by the 'educated' ones, so there you go. They regurgitate the information they heard somewhere, don't really think for themselves.

We have gained knowledge since then, by doing experiments. We also have tools today that were unavailable in those days. Like computers. I can model 1000 coils in 1 day and choose the one that fits my application best. In Tesla's time that was unthinkable.

As for the flat Earth idea, I think it is possible, after all this idea is as old as humanity, so it pisses me off when people ignore all possibilities just because they don't like them and prefer to believe in science authority figures to appear cool, well-informed and modern.

There must be millions of ancient believes that have proven to be nonsense. Example: The drinking of the urine of a mule would improve fertility, because a mule can not reproduce. This 'void of fertility' would attract fertility, just as cold attracts heat, + attracts -, etc.

I would know for sure if it is flat or round if I see it with my own eyes from space. However, since it appears flat it is much more rational to take it as it is than invent all kinds of complex models.

Again, try making a map of Russia, or North America with all distances to scale.

How the idea that the Earth is round actually helps our civilization in any way? What is so great about it?

For instance that we CAN actually make maps now. Those things are quite useful, don't you agree?

I would understand if it is 100% proven, but that is very doubtful.

It is indeed very doubtfull if you would ever understand it. And it HAS been proven 100% numerous times. You just fail to understand this evidence.

People are corrupt and they lie all the time, so why should I trust 'authorities'.

Modern Science: If you loose 4 litres of blood, you will die.
Modern Science: If you run 5 amps DC through your body, you will die.
Modern Science: If you hold your breath for 10 minutes, you will die.
Modern Science: If you inhale pure H2S, you will die before you exhale.
Modern Science: You need legs to walk.
Modern Science: Chlorophyll makes most plants look green.
All these facts you must doubt, because modern science says so?
There is a difference between an open mind and a stupid one!

Now, about rotation, that is even harder to verify through observation, so I am skeptical about that too. It can be a variety of things, but not necessarily the Earth rotating.

I am perfectly fine with a non-rotating Earth and the universe being much smaller than currently thought. Foucault pendulum and Coriolis effect might be due to other reasons, the 'scientists' haven't looked for them though, since to them it is obvious as they are deeply indoctrinated. That is not how you make discoveries and find the truth.

If you could understand the derivation of the coriolis force as I showed a few pages back, you would understand that there is absolutely no other option than a rotating system. The same goes for Foucault's Pendulum. If you could only understand it.

If modern science warns you that you are about to fall into a deep hole, ignore that because you can never trust authorities.
If modern science warns you that you should not go to an Ebola invested village, go there and find out what they were trying to hide!
If modern science tells that grass is green, cheer for everyone who says it is red.
But do not expect to be taken seriously.

Ernst.

[cikljamas]

This debate was over long time ago, but since i wanted to beat HC empty heads on their own ground (in mud waters) that is to say: in details, i have continued to present facts which undoubtedly prove simple and clear truth that The Earth is flat!

Allow me to present you one short youtube video in which you can see a demonstration of a very simple and plausible FET proof which no round earther can refute by rolling in heliocentric mud which comes out of his hollow head:

The water surface shows neither an increase nor a decline of light reflection regardless of the distance from the observer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQRp9KAOBHA

[Saros]

While I admit I picture TA as Yosemite Sam with in a lab coat, I see you not as a skeptic but as more a cheerleader in the special Olympics. You don't contribute one way or another but you are ready to cheer for the drooling Croatian kid chewing on one of the hurdles while he humps it and screams for his bible. I asked about the disappearance of objects like the moon which is one of HIS arguments yet he is unwilling therefore unable to answer it as he is willing to make up any sort of Topsy turvy bull crap about everything else. If he has incomplete arguments, why are you cheering for him! Let me guess I think I know why Arithmophobia! a fear of all those evil math problems! No wait that can't be it I submitted star trail pictures showing his south rim bosh is just bosh by the fact star motions contradict the flat earth star trails. Yet you mysteriously view him as still credible, which of his double talk fantasy world arguments instilled you with this sense of credibility?

I am not cheering for anyone. I see that you guys have nothing to offer to the discussion but mainstream science. You prefer to believe in already accepted models without questioning them which I find vapid.

Of course, Cikljamas might be wrong too, but at least he doesn't blindly believe in mainstream science. He might fanatically defend his own belief, well, you're doing absolutely the same. Everyone has the right to believe in whatever they want, especially when it comes to such things, I think it cannot be determined easily so one should remain skeptical.

As for the Moon and all the celestial phenomena there might be a million explanations, just use your imagination as the 'scientists' often do. You can construct a model of your own and if you had the authority to enforce it, it would be a credible model too. That is the difference.

People five centuries ago were not dumber, they were just as smart as modern day folks, but people in general believe in whatever they are told by the 'educated' ones, so there you go. They regurgitate the information they heard somewhere, don't really think for themselves.

As for the flat Earth idea, I think it is possible, after all this idea is as old as humanity, so it pisses me off when people ignore all possibilities just because they don't like them and prefer to believe in science authority figures to appear cool, well-informed and modern.

I would know for sure if it is flat or round if I see it with my own eyes from space. However, since it appears flat it is much more rational to take it as it is than invent all kinds of complex models. How the idea that the Earth is round actually helps our civilization in any way? What is so great about it? I would understand if it is 100% proven, but that is very doubtful. People are corrupt and they lie all the time, so why should I trust 'authorities'.

Now, about rotation, that is even harder to verify through observation, so I am skeptical about that too. It can be a variety of things, but not necessarily the Earth rotating.

I am perfectly fine with a non-rotating Earth and the universe being much smaller than currently thought. Foucault pendulum and Coriolis effect might be due to other reasons, the 'scientists' haven't looked for them though, since to them it is obvious as they are deeply indoctrinated. That is not how you make discoveries and find the truth.

[Hrothgar]

Saros

While I admit I picture TA as Yosemite Sam in a lab coat, I see you not as a skeptic but as more a cheerleader in the special Olympics. You don't contribute one way or another but you are ready to cheer for the drooling Croatian kid chewing on one of the hurdles while he humps it and screams for his bible. I asked about the disappearance of objects like the moon which is one of HIS arguments yet he is unwilling therefore unable to answer it as he is willing to make up any sort of Topsy turvy bull crap about everything else. If he has incomplete arguments, why are you cheering for him! Let me guess I think I know why Arithmophobia! a fear of all those evil math problems! No wait that can't be it I submitted star trail pictures showing his south rim bosh is just bosh by the fact star motions contradict the flat earth star trails. Yet you mysteriously view him as still credible, which of his double talk fantasy world arguments instilled you with this sense of credibility?

[TheoriaApophasis]

Go back to kindergarten now.

Even the dumb little children in Kindergarten arent so dumb as to believe in FLAT EARTH twaddle.

[Saros]

How to sound REALLY REALLY OLD



Yes, I remember debating with people ignorant enough to believe the earth was FLAT



Ohhh, damn!!!! YOURE OLD!!!!

You're the one who BELIEVES! I am the one who is a skeptic of your belief. You might laugh as long as you want, but you're the person who is gullible in this situation. You cannot test your belief, but you believe nonetheless. That is dumb. Just saying. It is comical how fanatical you guys are.

Your friend, Ernst, on the other hand has also proven to be incompetent reader as he didn't even try to argue the points made in the links provided nor the points made by Cikljamas.

Seriously, if you're going to pretend you're 'scientific' show a bit of scientific skepticism, as it is the nature of science to put things to the test and they don't always pass it.

There are many examples of when scientists believed in one thing, but later on changed their mind. So, if you wish, believe in your omniscient science but do remember that it might turn out one day they were wrong and you will be the fool then. You actually prove that they might very well be wrong, because arrogance often leads to mistakes and poor judgment. I can easily imagine how they wrongly assumed something out of mere arrogance and pride and of course never bothered to research it more, because it is all clear for everyone and there is no point to research it.

Go back to kindergarten now.

[aljhoa]

I really don't know what is happening here. Did the IQ of humanity as a whole suddenly drop 90 points, or does this place or thread attract stupidity, or does it have something to do with how internet functions? What happened to the education systems? Is there any in Croatia? What went wrong with this Saros character?

The mark of a fanatic

George Santayana famously said that "Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim." But that describes the most extreme fanatics. The lesser fanatic is harder to spot. Fanaticism partakes of some of the characteristics of a cult....

Fanatics are objectionable mostly because they're tiresome. There's a time and place for everything. For a fanatic, now is the time and everywhere is the place.

USS Clueless -- The mark of a fanatic


Al

[TheoriaApophasis]

How to sound REALLY REALLY OLD



Yes, I remember debating with people ignorant enough to believe the earth was FLAT



Ohhh, damn!!!! YOURE OLD!!!!

[cikljamas]

[Ernst]

3

New magic number: 3

65689986 - 65689983 (egyptian pimple) = exactly 3
PI/PI + PHI/PHI + EPSILON-0/EPSILON-0 = 3
SQRT(144)/4 (perzian eyebrow) = 3
SQRT(5x5 - 4x4(four wheel drive)) = 3
(7x7 (days/week) + 30 (Vladiwostok nose) - 70 (Roman middle finger)) / 3 = 3


Makes you wonder, huh?

Ernst.

[Ernst]

It doesn't revolve around you obviously, since you're the one spinning and laughing around like a mindless fool.

Indeed, indeed! And you and your master are the cause of all this spinning and laughing!
Thanks! Thank you both so much!

Your so-called entire universe is just a bunch of lights in the sky which might or might not be actual celestial bodies, however, you're too smart to ever doubt what you have been told in kindergarten.

And tell me now, Saros, when will you enrol in kindergarten? Did you pass the admittance test already?

For those who have more than 1 brain cell and still have some control over them:
The Foucault Pendulum would not rotate if the Earth were not rotating. In fact most of the rotation that we observe in the pendulum is in reality our own rotation. Even if the entire universe were rotating and the Earth were standing motionless, the Foucault Pendulum would not rotate. It is as I said conclusive evidence of the Earth's rotation.
The difference in rotational speed at various locations is strong evidence for a spherical Earth.

Then the Coriolis force is a force (actually a pseudo force) that would NEVER exist with respect to an inertial frame of reference. The presence of this force is conclusive evidence of rotation. It CAN NOT exist without it.
Then our young flatliner points us to some documents in which they can not even derive the formula for this force, something I showed a few pages ago. And another page that declares that the Coriolis force is an optical illusion....
In that case the major winds and ocean currents must be optical illusion as well!

And the little extra I gave you, about mapping cities? Also conclusive evidence that the Earth is a sphere.

I really don't know what is happening here. Did the IQ of humanity as a whole suddenly drop 90 points, or does this place or thread attract stupidity, or does it have something to do with how internet functions? What happened to the education systems? Is there any in Croatia? What went wrong with this Saros character?
He used to cut my grass...
He was a very nice boy...

Take care you guys and take it easy on the chickens!

Ernst.

[Saros]

You are hilarious!
But OK, now I understand, the Earth is standing still and the entire universe revolves around it.

Great thread!

Ernst.

It doesn't revolve around you obviously, since you're the one spinning and laughing around like a mindless fool. Your so-called entire universe is just a bunch of lights in the sky which might or might not be actual celestial bodies, however, you're too smart to ever doubt what you have been told in kindergarten.

[Ernst]

Foucault's pendulum - it only demonstrates the movement of the celestial bodies not the Earth.

You are hilarious!
But OK, now I understand, the Earth is standing still and the entire universe revolves around it.

Great thread!

Ernst.

[cikljamas]

Foucault's pendulum - it only demonstrates the movement of the celestial bodies not the Earth. Some experiments actually point to that possibility as well (Allais effect; Coriolis effect; Coriolis effect 2)
Coriolis effect - same as the above; the stars and the celestial 'bodies' might be the reason for the observed effects...and, of course, the deceptive nature of the 'scientists' explaining the 'observations'.

Also take time to read the information here: Inventions and deceptions coriolis effect

Perhaps you should also argue with the scientists who think that the pendulum's behavior and the coriolis effect are due to something else, and not the Earth's rotation.

Perhaps he should give a try to this "pendulum":

At all events the Dial has been long enough known to make every Modern Astronomer blush for shame, when it is mentioned, as its faithful, though silent, testimony gives daily visible evidence of the revolution of the Sun. This is easily proved. On a fine summer day, take a rod and place it perpendicularly in any quiet spot, a garden for example, where it can catch the rays of the Sun all day, and watch it for about twelve hours. Every quarter of an hour place a small peg at the extremity of the shadow, and you will find that the line described by the shadow is a curve. At the beginning of May, in the neighbourhood of London, the curve made in twelve hours will be nearly the half of an ellipse, the greater diameter of which will be about thrice the length of the shorter diameter. If you test this in different places, or in the same place at different times, you will get the data for proving the Sun's particular motion over a stationary Earth.

[Saros]

You're dodging my question, just like your master! You're a great pupil
I'll repeat one for you:

Give me one plausible explanation for what we see in Foucault's pendulum and/or one plausible explanation for the Coriolis effect. Come on, don't be shy!

Foucault's pendulum - it only demonstrates the movement of the celestial bodies not the Earth. Some experiments actually point to that possibility as well (Allais effect; Coriolis effect; Coriolis effect 2)
Coriolis effect - same as the above; the stars and the celestial 'bodies' might be the reason for the observed effects...and, of course, the deceptive nature of the 'scientists' explaining the 'observations'.

Also take time to read the information here: Inventions and deceptions coriolis effect

Perhaps you should also argue with the scientists who think that the pendulum's behavior and the coriolis effect are due to something else, and not the Earth's rotation.