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[Hrothgar]

refuted

This debate was over long time ago, but since i wanted to beat HC empty heads on their own ground (in mud waters) that is to say: in details, i have continued to present facts which undoubtedly prove simple and clear truth that The Earth is flat!

Allow me to present you two short youtube videos in which you can see two very simple and plausible FET proofs which no round earther can refute by rolling in heliocentric mud which comes out of his hollow head:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4Ei7ZZsVDM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQRp9KAOBHA

Something more on pendulum garbage "argument":

Many were the experiments made in the Pantheon and other halls of science to test the truth of this wonderful experiment, but the indignant Pendulum would not lend itself to lure men into the belief of a Rotating Earth, for its vibrations were most variable, and even sometimes entirely contrary to what the Newtonians said they ought to be, so that this marvellous experiment, which was to convince the public at sight, that the world is a Rotating Planet, had to be abandoned with disgust. But how could it be otherwise? If the Earth rotates at the rate of 1,000 miles per hour at the Equator, and in the same space of time goes 65,000 miles on its journey round the Sun, how could any Pendulum, under such disadvantageous circumstances be ever expected to beat equal vibrations? It would be an impossibility. Hence no proof can be adduced from the Pendulum that the Earth is a spheroid rotating on an imaginary axis. Vunch could not miss the opportunity of having a joke at the expense of this rotating -fiasco, with which I shall close my remarks of the supposed manifestation of the rotation of the Earth.

To the Editor of Punch,

Sir,

"Allow me to call your serious and polite attention to the extraordinary phenomenon demonstrating the rotation of the Earth, which I at the present moment experience, and you yourself or anybody else, I have not the slightest doubt, would be satisfied of under similar circumstances. Some sceptical individuals may doubt that the Earth's motion is visible, but I say, from personal observation, it is a positive fact. I don't care about latitude or longitude, or a vibratory pendulum, revolving round the line of a tangent on a spherical surface, nor axes, nor apsides, nor anything of the sort. That is all rubbish. All I know is that I see the ceiling of this coffee-room going round. I perceive this distinctly with the naked eye—only my sight has been sharpened by a slight stimulant. I write after my sixth go of brandy and water, whereof witness my hand."

SWIGGINS.

"Goose and Gridiron, May 5, 1851.

"P.S.— Why do two waiters come when I only call one?"

Rivers flow down hill, that means the water wasn't level thereby nullifying the test.
(try again on a swamp)

The moon doesn't fade out like you said it would do, it gets CHOPPED OFF!

Refuted

[cikljamas]

"They want you to believe that the Moon's rotation is perfectly synchronized with its orbit so that's why we only ever see one side of the Moon, rather than conclude the obvious - that the Moon is simply NOT rotating. Moreover, they had to slow down the Moon's speed by 58,870 mph AND reverse its direction to West-East to successfully sell their phony heliocentricity system to a gullible public. I don't think there is one person in many, many thousands - regardless of education - who knows that the Copernican Model had to turn the Moon's observable direction around and give it a new speed to accommodate the phases and eclipses." -Marshall Hall

“The Moon presented a special math problem for the construction of the heliocentricity model. The only way to make the Moon fit in with the other assumptions was to reverse its direction from that of what everyone who has ever lived has seen it go. The math model couldn’t just stop the Moon like it did the Sun, that wouldn’t work. And it couldn’t let it continue to go East to West as we see it go, either at the same speed or at a different speed. The only option was to reverse its observed East to West direction and change its speed from about 64,000 miles an hour to about 2,200 miles an hour. This reversal along with the change in speed were unavoidable assumptions that needed to be adopted if the model was to have a chance of mimicking reality." -Bernard Brauer

Now, pay attention to a passage from the book that had been released 110 years ago:

Again, the Earth, with a supposed diameter of 8,000 miles, is said to revolve round the Sun, with the velocity of about i,roo miles per minute; the Moon being reckoned to have a diameter of 2,200 miles, and to go round the Earth at the rate of 180 miles per minute, thus, according to calculation, the Eclipse of the Moon, by the shadow of the Earth passing it, should not take four minutes, whereas the usual time occupied by a Lunar Eclipse is generally about two hours, and it has been known to have been extended to four.

So, it seems that the adjustment for the speed of the Moon has been done sometime in the beginning of 20th century...How embarrassing!!!

How beautiful example of accuracy of the motion of the Stars (which corroborate the factuality of the fact that the rate of annual motion of the Stars IS A CONSTANT):

"Take two carefully-bored metallic tubes, not less than six feet in length, and place them one yard asunder, on the opposite sides of a wooden frame, or a solid block of wood or stone: so adjust them that their centres or axes of vision shall be perfectly parallel to each other. Now, direct them to the plane of some notable fixed star, a few seconds previous to its meridian time. Let an observer be stationed at each tube and the moment the star appears in the first tube let a loud knock or other signal be given, to be repeated by the observer at the second tube when he first sees the same star. A distinct period of time will elapse between the signals given. The signals will follow each other in very rapid succession, but still, the time between is sufficient to show that the same star is not visible at the same moment by two parallel lines of sight when only one yard asunder. A slight inclination of the second tube towards the first tube would be required for the star to be seen through both tubes at the same instant. Let the tubes remain in their position for six months; at the end of which time the same observation or experiment will produce the same results--the star will be visible at the same meridian time, without the slightest alteration being required in the direction of the tubes: from which it is concluded that if the earth had moved one single yard in an orbit through space, there would at least be observed the slight inclination of the tube which the difference in position of one yard had previously required. But as no such difference in the direction of the tube is required, the conclusion is unavoidable, that in six months a given meridian upon the earth's surface does not move a single yard, and therefore, that the earth has not the slightest degree of orbital motion." -Samuel Rowbotham, "Zetetic Astronomy"


There is a good story respecting a man who had been summoned to give evidence in a certain trial. He did not appear but a friend came in his stead. " Why," asked the Judge, " does Mr. Blank not appear? " " My Lord," replied the man, " I could give your Lordship a dozen reasons why he could not come." " Let us have them, then," said the Judge. " In the first place, my Lord, my friend is dead." " That will do," said his Lordship, " you can keep your eleven other reasons to yourself." So the Earth having been proved by experiment to have no curvature, and is declared by God to be "founded upon the seas and established upon the floods," that fact ought, as a matter of course, to be a sufficient reason why it is not a wandering Planet, and, therefore, that it would be as impossible for its shadow to cause an Eclipse of the Moon, as for that dead man to give evidence in a Court of Law.

[aljhoa]

There is a good story respecting a man who had been summoned to give evidence in a certain trial. He did not appear but a friend came in his stead. " Why," asked the Judge, " does Mr. Blank not appear? " " My Lord," replied the man, " I could give your Lordship a dozen reasons why he could not come." " Let us have them, then," said the Judge. " In the first place, my Lord, my friend is dead." " That will do," said his Lordship, " you can keep your eleven other reasons to yourself." So the Earth having been proved by experiment to have no curvature, and is declared by God to be "founded upon the seas and established upon the floods," that fact ought, as a matter of course, to be a sufficient reason why it is not a wandering Planet, and, therefore, that it would be as impossible for its shadow to cause an Eclipse of the Moon, as for that dead man to give evidence in a Court of Law.

Flat Earth Irrefutable Proof







Al

[Hrothgar]

you haven't refuted...

the refuting of your irrefutable assertion.

Your still dodging why celestial objects get chopped off at the horizon instead of having the farthest parts of them fade into the horizon first as is your stated belief. The face of the moon doesn't distort or turn when it sets which is contrary to your belief. If your stated belief can be refuted with a cheap telescope then how can you claim to win anything or is it a big conspiracy to make the moon extra clear in telescopes.

[TheoriaApophasis]

Flat Earth Irrefutable Proof
Al

flat earth

scientology

god

santa claus

the easter bunny.




Humans still deep in the dark of ignorance.

[cikljamas]

Hrothgar, while you are watching these videos, try to figure out how big smart ass you really are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNZUbdBw--U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_1UiHJQH0g#t=3m10s

[Hrothgar]

Thanks! those videos prove my point!

The point that you yourself nullify your own sun argument when you hide behind Eric Dollard's statements about the mechanics of the sun! However let's look at that beautiful sunrise shall we? Good we shall then you note that when that when the sun first creates a sliver of light you must have been tingling with anticipation at the look on my face, EXCEPT! If the the sun why is it a line on the ocean and not a dot fading in above it?!?!?! Wait let's just say that is some trick of conspiracy. Alright let's watch more. What?!?!?! the sun is half circle?!?!?!? shouldn't the center be seen first not the top half?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1adM3UNIzA Here is one of the moon, note the pattern just slides straight up out of the water That "distortion" at the bottom is the reflection off of the ocean which is readily apparent once the lower edge is independently visible!

While I may only be a high school graduate. My ass however, has a masters degree in kicking your two bit trolling to the curb. Peace love and rock'n'roll to ya baby

[TheoriaApophasis]

Hrothgar, while you are watching these videos, try to figure out how big smart ass you really are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNZUbdBw--U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_1UiHJQH0g#t=3m10s

My lord, youre insane.



videos of the EARTH TURNING into the sun.

Spherical rotation, day and night.

[TheoriaApophasis]

baby

dont you know that the MOON is a FLAT diner plate hung by GOD in the sky over the flat earth.

[Ernst]

A flat moon! that can not possibly stay in the sky!

I showed you irrefutable evidence a number of posts ago that the moon is hollow, and half-spherical. To add some extra irrefutable evidence: In Indonesia they have a rice dish called "nasi", this originates from "NASA" which the Monkey King used to talk about with them at their dinner table. But the Indonesians did not know about the NASA back then, so they assumed he was talking about the food.

So there you go! More irrefutable evidence.

BTW, in the hollow half there is an engine with a propeller to keep the moon going, that is why we never see that half!

More irrefutable evidence.


Ernst.

[cikljamas]

Hi idiots, are you having a good fun?
So, since you have organized such a great party for lunatics, it's pity to interrupt you, but i just have to show you something:

Talking about the moon we have to recall the fact that "the moon case" presents one of the worst nightmares which bother and torment HC lunatics.

Let's see why:

To avoid objections like this...

Now, pay attention to a passage from the book that had been released 110 years ago:

Again, the Earth, with a supposed diameter of 8,000 miles, is said to revolve round the Sun, with the velocity of about 1100 miles per minute; the Moon being reckoned to have a diameter of 2,200 miles, and to go round the Earth at the rate of 180 miles per minute, thus, according to calculation, the Eclipse of the Moon, by the shadow of the Earth passing it, should not take four minutes, whereas the usual time occupied by a Lunar Eclipse is generally about two hours, and it has been known to have been extended to four.

So, it seems that the adjustment for the speed of the Moon has been done sometime in the beginning of 20th century...How embarrassing!!!

...HC lunatics did this:

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FROM BAD TO WORSE

Now HC lunatics have to answer to this:

EXPLANATION:

A typical total lunar eclipse lasts about 1 hour and the moon clears the penumbra or shadow of the earth in about 7 hours. That means that the moon has moved about 1/2 way around the earth in about 7 hours.

The heliocentric theory ignores the DAILY orbit of the moon and allows for a monthly orbit only!! On closer examination, this proves to be a deadly counterfeit system because it cannot account for the movement of the moon during an eclipse. Here is a quote from the Encyclopedia Britannica:

"The Moon rotates about its own axis in 27.322 days, which is also the time that it takes to complete ONE orbit around the Earth. As a result, the Moon always presents nearly the same face to the Earth. Whereas the actual rate of rotation is uniform, the distance through which the Moon moves in its orbit from day to day varies somewhat. Accordingly, the face that the Moon turns to Earth is subject to a corresponding cyclical variation, the lunar globe oscillating slightly (as seen over time by a terrestrial observer) with a period nearly equal to that of revolution. The amount of this apparent oscillation, which is called libration, is commonly between 6 and 7 degrees." (New Encyclopedia Britannica, vol. 17, p. 299).

The heliocentric theory IGNORES the moon's daily orbit and cannot account for the rapid movement of the moon during a lunar eclipse

The heliocentric system has the moon moving very, very slowly around the earth. One month is required to complete its orbit.

This ignoring of the moon's daily orbit is done in order to get the earth rotating.

The moon is supposed to move at a speed of about 2,000 mph (3,219 km) or about 13° per day to an observer on earth. Just too slow to accomplish 1/2 way around the Earth in just a few hours!!!!!!

But they can't explain it, thus this is the end of this game...

Whichever option you choose, you will choose wrong option.

The only possible right option is FET, and had you not been 100 % crazy (and i strongly doubt that you are not 100 % crazy) you would have opted for FET long time ago...

Keep on enjoying your party for lunatics!

[aljhoa]

flat earth
god

Humans still deep in the dark of ignorance.

Over 1.5 "fidel's" billions and


“In the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the (Muslim) mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force.”

One may ask: Who are the enemies? Here is a definition from al-Mawardi, the great jurist in Baghdad in the 11thc.(d. 1058).

“The mushrikun (infidels) of Dar al-Harb (region of war) are of two types:

First, those whom the call of Islam has reached, but they have refused it and have taken up arms. The amir of the army has the option of fighting them in one of two ways that is in accordance with what he judges to be in the best interest of the Muslims and most harmful to the mushrikun: the first, to harry them from their houses and to inflict damage on them day and night, by fighting and burning, or else to declare war and combat them in ranks;

“Second, those whom the invitation to Islam has not reached, although such persons are few nowadays (.....)if they still refuse to accept after this, war is waged against them and they are treated as those whom the call has reached.”
Dhimmitude Past and Present :* An Invented or Real History?


Al

[cikljamas]

Al, you haven't slightest idea where is the root of true evil in today's world, and you have no idea who are even worse and much more dangerous fanatics than ISIL bastards. I didn't intend to put this in this thread, but since you are such a pain in my ass, i will show you what you have to investigate if you want to reach the real root - bottom of all the evil in today's world:

Secret societies and old European bloodline families are in control of the world today. To better understand what they do, we need to look at their philosophies and ideas. One motto of theirs is "Ordo ab Chao" or "order out or chaos". First they create CHAOS, then they propose the solution, ORDER, secretly from behind the scenes to control a given situation. There are different areas of Freemasonry and it is all a hierarchy of power. Occasionally, Masonic groups will work against each other in the public forum through the agencies which they control, but they may be united behind the scenes. You will see examples of what I mean very soon.

The first Masonic lodges by that name appeared in England in the 1600's and within a century they were spread throughout most of Europe, including Germany and France and the colonies of early America. One of the purposes they served was as a forum for the elite individuals to meet and discuss their political and social views without fear of religious persecution. Remember, just a couple of centuries earlier under Rome in the Dark Ages, they would kill you if you didn't believe that the moon was made of green cheese. In Rome, they realized that they could not rule the world by themselves and that they would need a consensus of nations or a United Kingdom and United Nations. The symbol for Fascism is a bundle of sticks wrapped together with a hatchet or an axe tied to it.

It represents a world consensus of power or AXIS POWER. It appears on the U. S. Senate flag today and on the back of the American mercury dime from 1916 to 1945. While there were several enlightened societies around calling themselves illuminated, it was on May 1, 1776 that Professor Adam Weishaupt put together a secret society called The "ILLUMINATI". It's sole purpose secretly was to control the world. Weishaupt was a genius of a particular sort as far as scheming and manipulation are concerned. He was a respected teacher at the University of Ingolstadt at the time and had many connections in education. He became a Mason but was also a Jesuit priest. He learned as much as he could and decided to put his own secret society together. He used a process of initiation and power dissemination among ranks similar to the structure of a pyramid, where one sole individual or group at the top know what's going on but no one else really does, they only know a little until they succeed up the ranks and learn only a little more. In the meantime, they don't know who is watching them or above them keeping them in check.

In the highest circles of the order they propose to control the world through a One-world government, which they stated they could do by converting existing Masons to concepts of Illuminism. Weishaupt told them about the Utopia that could be established on Earth if everyone who KNEW would secretly work together to bring about this plan. Being free-thinkers and atheists to begin with, they proposed abolishing religion, government, orders of class, right to own property, or even raise your own children; and they believed that the ENDS justified the MEANS, meaning that whatever it takes to accomplish this task should be done WITHOUT HESITATION. Within two years they had over 3000 members and many established lodges. Within several years they were exposed and banished from Bavaria. The documents were recovered and displayed in the British museum where they exist today. This is an important historical fact that has been severely covered up in America. They continued to exist, however, in the form of the German Union and scattered Reading Societies. Through their combined fortunes, the members of the Illuminati gained control over the literary societies and printing press. They circulated printed papers showing falsities of religion and abuses of government and promoted a general state of desperation throughout society, all the while blaming it on religion and government. They sought to promote ANARCHY and REVOLUTION, whereby they would strip the monarchy (king) of power using the classes (people) as a lever to ultimately bring power back into their own hands, all the while creating new forms of government which would be puppets they could secretly control from behind the scenes.

In Germany, the lodges which preceded the Illuminati were the Lodge Theodore and the Lodge of Strict Observance. In France they were known as the GRAND ORIENT TEMPLE MASONS. Their motto was "LIBERTY, EQUALITY, FRATERNITY". In 1789, they beheaded the King and Queen of France and orchestrated what was historically known as the French Revolution. This was only the first of several revolutions to come. Weishaupt had succeeded in grabbing the existing reigns of power in both Europe and America, entwining them together using new philosophical concepts, and tightening all of the existing slack.

In 1797, a book appeared in Europe by John Robison called "Proofs of A Conspiracy against all of the Religions and Governments of Europe, Carried on in the Secret Meetings of Freemasons, Illuminati and Reading Societies". Then in 1799, written in another country and in another language, Abbe Augustine Barruel published his four-volume study entitled "Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism". Then in 1826, William Morgan, an American Freemason who had written a book entitled "Illustrations of Freemasonry", was abducted and drowned in Lake Ontario. Because of the existence of these books, as well as the murder scandal, there was a nationwide furor resulting in the creation of an Anti-Masonic political party in 1829. After this there was a temporary drop in membership in the lodges, but their control over the press soon caused the anger to diminish...

Now you have got the answer to one another question also: Who benefits from this copernican concept and who protect this theory in a bunker under a 50 foot thick ceiling of solid "scientific" concrete.

IT'S WORSE THAN YOU KNOW

[aljhoa]

@cikljamas you are a tool cos

Flat Earth Irrefutable Proof

Al

[Hrothgar]

Ok so no one else want to touch it

So I will

"The moon is supposed to move at a speed of about 2,000 mph (3,219 km) or about 13° per day to an observer on earth. Just too slow to accomplish 1/2 way around the Earth in just a few hours!!!!!"

You really aren't to bright are ya? The Moon completes its orbit around the Earth in approximately 27.32 days (a sidereal month). The earth spinning on it's axis is what makes the moon go so fast in the sky.

Really how does it feel to know that from the moment you entered third grade you were being educated beyond your intelligence?