Open discussion for projects on this forum.

[Dave45]

I am convinced structure is the key to free energy.
We are trying to find an infinite power source to tap into and i believe that source to be the planets magnetic field.
A pattern reoccurs over and over in my search its the hexagonal structure and i beleive this to be the geometric organization of the earths magnetic field.

[Ufopolitics]

I am not standing in your way.

I never wrote on my post above that you were on my way...

I asked you if we could come to an agreement stated above?

That simple


And please, let's not argue about this agreement now...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

I am not standing in your way.

[Ufopolitics]

And your erroneous statement referred to both motor and generator.



Motors and generators are the same. It is only you who think there is a difference between the two.

Also note that I edited post #414 to show it was the above post of yours to which I was referring, not the one below.



I don't have any real problem with that statement. Although I disagree with your interpretation of magnetic field. Please look up the definition. It is the flux density at a point in space. Also you refer to the magnetic field as traveling or the magnetic flux as flowing. It does not as I have stated before. Think of the magnetic field like a gravitational field in this respect. It is there, or here, but doesn't flow or travel.

If I recall correctly, Ken says there are no such things as fields.

But a deep subject.

Regards,

bi

Bistander, and also extended to Citfta...

Could we stop this?...On my end it is over, I accept you have your own beliefs as I have mine.

I have understood that I will not change any of your minds, and am over insisting on it.

The same way I am asking you not to insist on changing mine or anyone else who decides to agree with me...please?

Could we COEXIST in the same place?

Is this a fair proposal?


I have already decided which way I will follow for the next few weeks to come...but I would like to be in peace here.


That is I all am asking...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

Yet where top performance is sought a non-ferrous core motor is used. Designed by CSIRO for solar racers and licensed to Marand, the axial flux PM non-ferrous core motor weighs in at 7kg hitting a peak of 12kW with 98.4% efficiency. It is basically a high torque low speed machine used in the vehicle's wheels as direct drive.

That was a Motor, not a Generator...

And your erroneous statement referred to both motor and generator.

You could "make" a generator or a motor of whatever material you want to put in the core, even air, plastic or bananas...however, the final result on TOP performance and efficiency are dictated by the use of a Ferromagnetic Core.

Motors and generators are the same. It is only you who think there is a difference between the two.

Also note that I edited post #725 to show it was the above post of yours to which I was referring, not the one below.

Air is not a good conductor of Magnetic Field "Flux"...

I don't have any real problem with that statement. Although I disagree with your interpretation of magnetic field. Please look up the definition. It is the flux density at a point in space. Also you refer to the magnetic field as traveling or the magnetic flux as flowing. It does not as I have stated before. Think of the magnetic field like a gravitational field in this respect. It is there, or here, but doesn't flow or travel.

If I recall correctly, Ken says there are no such things as fields.

But a deep subject.

Regards,

bi

[Ufopolitics]

If everyone would just let UFO be, let him produce his thread of magnetic s**t, I think we will soon see that he doesn't really have anything to say. Just look at his thread, over 20 pages and he has not yet said ANYthing (other that showing off his incompetence).
As dR-Green pointed out it thrives on external attention. I think that is a very accurate analysis.
Remove this attention and it will all end very shortly.
Add attention and you will prolong the pain.

Good Luck!


Ernst.

For the first time I believe I am agreeing with you about your short phrase..."Let UFO be"...

Yes, so I could keep working back again on my ****ty Thread.

And so you will also be working on your Wonderful Cosmic Rays Wheelwork of Nature Machine...

It is a "Go back Home" deal...


Agree.


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Yet where top performance is sought a non-ferrous core motor is used. Designed by CSIRO for solar racers and licensed to Marand, the axial flux PM non-ferrous core motor weighs in at 7kg hitting a peak of 12kW with 98.4% efficiency. It is basically a high torque low speed machine used in the vehicle's wheels as direct drive.

That was a Motor, not a Generator...besides, You could cite as many "Exotic" multi million dollar projects, but they are not affordable, not possible to be reproduced with a low budget.

Yes, Ufo, the vast majority of motors, generators and transformers use ferrous cores.

Thank You!!

I was simply stating the ferrous core wasn't necessary to show that the generated "current" doesn't come from the ferrous core. Not many applications command the motor or generator price associated with a coreless design, but that is economics, not physics or as you put it, performance and efficiency.

The Ferromagnetic Core AMPLIFIES the Magnetic Field Effect in order to be transferred to the copper coils at that amplified rate and viceversa. This magnified effect is very useful for electrodynamics in general.

In a Generator, it magnifies the Induction Effect to the Stator Coils.

In a Motor it magnifies the Interacting Fields to generate a much stronger force.

And the difference rate of amplification is huge, considering that with low power fields we could get greater improvements in efficiency and performance.

Originally Posted by Ufopolitics
Air is not a good conductor of Magnetic Field "Flux"...

It is erroneous and incorrect statements like the quote from you which I object to and attempt to set right. Just that there are so many. I just pick a few. And I stick to the facts, and don't get into name-calling and ridicule.

I thought it was your theory that magnetism was faster than the speed of light, traveled to the ends of the universe and went through everything that stood in its way. So that is an odd comment from you. It is probably more correct to say that ferrous materials have a much higher magnetic permeability than air at moderate magnetic induction levels. The advantage disappears at high flux density so when extremely strong magnetic fields are required, "air" is used instead of iron.

bistander

I won't get into no name calling...but, did you noticed the word "flux" in between quoted marks following "Magnetic Fields", as the final word I was referring to?

It meant that the "flux" is what is considered -by your science- not to transfer in air very good...not the Magnetic Field.

Magnetic Flux -as per your science- is considered to travel in space at a linear fashion. Not spinning as a Vortex like a cork screw.

Magnetic Fields, travel in the spiral form as per Ken's and many more people including myself. And the list of all this people is huge and goes back in time even before we existed.

Of course Magnetic Fields do travel at the speeds I mentioned before, and beyond... through any mass... precisely this is where the "key" is to understand the whole thing.

The advantage disappears at high flux density so when extremely strong magnetic fields are required, "air" is used instead of iron.

bistander

... of course, if you spent huge amounts of energy to generate such a stronger magnetic field, there would be a point where iron will not be required...but at what price?

Is it affordable versus just using a piece of cheap iron?


Of course not.




Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

UFO,

You really do need to work on your reading comprehension skills. I clearly said with out a core the torque of a motor would be much less. And I also clearly said a generating coil without a core would produce much less power. And you are constantly accusing others of misunderstanding what you say. Yet the one who constantly tries to misrepresent what others say is YOU.

No lack of comprehension skills, Citfta.

The Affirmative Statement from Bistander:

"You can make generators without ferrous cores."

Says it all.

But the reason behind is simple, a ferrous core would MULTIPLY/AMPLIFY Magnetic Fields as it will magnify the magnetic induction effect being transferred to a copper coil.


Ufopolitics

[Dave45]

WHY are you people being such dill's? Why not except a man for
the good that he can produce and offer in addition your services
to make what he can do better?

The goal of this thread is to talk about what each of us thinks might
be possible outside the box. This website is an out of the box site.

This is not Yale or Harvard where only conventional ideas are welcome.

When I went to school I took only the courses at College level I liked
and skipped the 4 years of religion or the 6 years of false government.

UFO, like each one of you are a genius in the area of study that you
love, it is very simple. One man is only able to learn so much so help
one another.

Time is short and we need a project that gives us the practical extra.
Many magnetic motors exist today and have been around for over 60
yrs that I am aware of. Just as UFO flying craft have been around since
the 50's. We are living in disbelief while these craft blink in and out
of view without a care.

The term UFO is well known and this is why our friend UFO has chosen
these three letter, that is to get our focus off the mundane and onto
bigger, better and much higher thoughts.

If you really care about each other and the work at hand, why slaughter
one another daily? Can you not forgive and forget? This goes for both sides.
If you have been offended, it is because there is some love lost.

Do you understand your own minds? It is up to each man to do better
than what we are witnessing as far as all of the wasted time and effort
about who is the biggest or who is the smartest or who is a nut and crazy.


Why in a few years everything we know will be obsolete.

I agree with Mike let everyone follow their own path, who here knows truely what all the answers are.
Someday one of us will stumble on to the answer and being open in a forum will let others follow.
Electrogravitics is probably the answer to antigravity if thats what you are looking for.

[aljhoa]

Do you understand your own minds? It is up to each man to do better
than what we are witnessing as far as all of the wasted time and effort
about who is the biggest or who is the smartest or who is a nut and crazy.


Why in a few years everything we know will be obsolete.

If the wise writes for fun,
The readers are none.


Al

[BroMikey]

WHY are you people being such dill's? Why not except a man for
the good that he can produce and offer in addition your services
to make what he can do better?

The goal of this thread is to talk about what each of us thinks might
be possible outside the box. This website is an out of the box site.

This is not Yale or Harvard where only conventional ideas are welcome.

When I went to school I took only the courses at College level I liked
and skipped the 4 years of religion or the 6 years of false government.

UFO, like each one of you are a genius in the area of study that you
love, it is very simple. One man is only able to learn so much so help
one another.

Time is short and we need a project that gives us the practical extra.
Many magnetic motors exist today and have been around for over 60
yrs that I am aware of. Just as UFO flying craft have been around since
the 50's. We are living in disbelief while these craft blink in and out
of view without a care.

The term UFO is well known and this is why our friend UFO has chosen
these three letter, that is to get our focus off the mundane and onto
bigger, better and much higher thoughts.

If you really care about each other and the work at hand, why slaughter
one another daily? Can you not forgive and forget? This goes for both sides.
If you have been offended, it is because there is some love lost.

Do you understand your own minds? It is up to each man to do better
than what we are witnessing as far as all of the wasted time and effort
about who is the biggest or who is the smartest or who is a nut and crazy.


Why in a few years everything we know will be obsolete.

[Ernst]

If everyone would just let UFO be, let him produce his thread of magnetic s**t, I think we will soon see that he doesn't really have anything to say. Just look at his thread, over 20 pages and he has not yet said ANYthing (other that showing off his incompetence).
As dR-Green pointed out it thrives on external attention. I think that is a very accurate analysis.
Remove this attention and it will all end very shortly.
Add attention and you will prolong the pain.

Good Luck!


Ernst.

[bistander]

air cores

...

Axial Air Core Generators are low efficiency and used in small low cost Wind Turbines or some Home or Science made Generator projects.

<snip>

You could "make" a generator or a motor of whatever material you want to put in the core, even air, plastic or bananas...however, the final result on TOP performance and efficiency are dictated by the use of a Ferromagnetic Core. ...

Yet where top performance is sought a non-ferrous core motor is used. Designed by CSIRO for solar racers and licensed to Marand, the axial flux PM non-ferrous core motor weighs in at 7kg hitting a peak of 12kW with 98.4% efficiency. It is basically a high torque low speed machine used in the vehicle's wheels as direct drive.

Yes, Ufo, the vast majority of motors, generators and transformers use ferrous cores. I was simply stating the ferrous core wasn't necessary to show that the generated "current" doesn't come from the ferrous core. Not many applications command the motor or generator price associated with a coreless design, but that is economics, not physics or as you put it, performance and efficiency.

It is erroneous and incorrect statements like the above* quote from you which I object to and attempt to set right. Just that there are so many. I just pick a few. And I stick to the facts, and don't get into name-calling and ridicule.

Air is not a good conductor of Magnetic Field "Flux"...

I thought it was your theory that magnetism was faster than the speed of light, traveled to the ends of the universe and went through everything that stood in its way. So that is an odd comment from you. It is probably more correct to say that ferrous materials have a much higher magnetic permeability than air at moderate magnetic induction levels. The advantage disappears at high flux density so when extremely strong magnetic fields are required, "air" is used instead of iron.

bistander

[citfta]

Maybe a remedial reading class would help. Bistander never said that was the best way to make generating coils. He just said it could be done. You just insist on showing everyone your lack of reading skills.

[Ufopolitics]

UFO,

You really do need to work on your reading comprehension skills. I clearly said with out a core the torque of a motor would be much less. And I also clearly said a generating coil without a core would produce much less power. And you are constantly accusing others of misunderstanding what you say. Yet the one who constantly tries to misrepresent what others say is YOU.

You did, at the end but not your Buddy...I cited your post because, like always, you backed him up.

Hi Dave,

I disagree with your generator-eddy current relationship. You can make generators without ferrous cores. And I've never heard of eddy currents in air. So something else is responsible.

In the generator, the electron movement (typically referred to as current) results from circuits connecting coils or conductors which have a voltage generated in them according to Faraday's Law.

bistander