Living vs dead water. It is easy.

[Stephen Brown]

Jetis,
Just ordered a Ph tester from ebay.
I've been looking for a way to effectively alkalize my drinking water ever since I read about Viktor Schauberger's work.
Alkaline Water and ORP Explained / Link was very informative.
Looks like the alkalizers they sell on their site would break the bank for most of the people I know.
But he's right. What is your health worth.

Ph - Per Hydrogen. I never knew that.

I'm hoping that after some testing of the machines, as you say, you might give us a little more of a visual tour around your machine and how it was built?
It all looks very straightforward to build.
Especially if you are only talking about using CNC for the waterway channel.

Did you study ways of alkalizing a single stream of output water?
I'm assuming one stream (glass of water) is alkaline and one is acidic.

It looks like your design could be built for quite a bit less than $2600.00 US.
I think I have many of the materials in my garage.

Let us know when you're testing is complete.

I'm anxious to try an experiment when my Ph tester arrives.
Maybe you have tried it already.
My wife and I blended up a small handful of greens from our garden.
A little parsley, some lettuce and a little celery leaf in a couple of cups of water.
We like to drink it as a green drink.
After reading the above article we decided to test the blended green drink with some Ph test paper we have.
It read as extremely high in Ph. Up around 9. I know this Ph paper is notoriously inaccurate.
Have you ever tested "green drink" with your Ph tester?
Stephen

[Jetijs]

Hi Stephen.
I would advise you to get an ORP meter from ebay, that would be much more accurate than PH meter, because there are conditions where at PH above 7 you still have a positive charge to the water, but it is the charge that counts, you need a negative charge and an ORP meter shows just that. PH just follows it. If ORP is negative, the PH will be higher than 7, but if PH is higher than 7 that does not mean ORP will always be negative. The cost of the materials for a cell like mine is aroun 150$ maube even less. As I am constructing a new cell, I am making some videos and lots of pictures of the process so that I can make a howto video later and post it on youtube. So far by working in this field I have understood so much about water, its structure and charges and all this helps me to understand the world better. If you haven't read already, see this topic that I made which explains the water structure mechanysm:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/9833-mechanysm-water-structuring.html?highlight=mechanysm

Also just recently I read about an alternative health procedure called grounding which means that you just need to walk barefoot on ground. They had these before and after pictures of blood cells and they looked exactly like those in Masaru Emotos video about water structure. Before the procedure the blood cells were clumped together but after the grounding, the blood cells kept a distance from each other. The same effect is whn you dring alkalikne water, it does the same to the blood cells. Why? Because you are usually insulated from ground by footware and since the positive charged particles always "rain" down to us from ionisphere and all the household equipment also produces positive ions, you get a disballance of charges. Positive charges will also make your body acidic, it is not only from food that your acidity level can change. So grounding literaly grounds the excess positive charges and restores the charge and also PH balance to the body. It the same happens if you drink negative charged water, it balances out the oxcess positive charges in your body and restore the balance. Acidic body tends to get ill soon, cancer can be found only in people with high body acidity, you will never find cancer in prople with alkaline body. And the same goes for almost all other desieses. So cheers!
And yes, the green drinks from plants just harvested will have negative charge since they are a living organysm, the charge will soon go positive as they die, but that happens over a period of several hours. So drink your green drinks from vegetables that are just harvested or as fresh as possible and you will get you so needed negative charges
Thanks,
Jetijs

[Stephen Brown]

Jetis,
The mechanysm of water structuring.
This is wonderful information to read about.
It took me the whole weekend to digest.
It makes me want to build an alkalizing machine even more.

I saw a DVD called "Water". It started with the premise that scientists are only now admitting. That we know nothing about the true nature of water.
And, that this is a very good place to start.
The idea that water can organize in ways we couldn't conceive of 10 years ago.
That water is subject to thought and will reflect the consciousness of a person or group of people it comes into contact with.
That it can heal and be detrimental to the human body.

"The mechanysm of water structuring".
The ideas you put forth on how water organizes are not completely new to me. But the concepts of how it can chain up and organize are wonderful.
I've always suspected these things about water but my quests lately have been trying to discover the nature of electrically based systems.
Bedini and the nature of coil dynamics. The aether and its penchant for balancing sharp gradients through regauging.
But I see these thing are all connected.
There is a certain element of the "Sharp Gradient" that you are using to organize water toward a higher Ph and a more healthy state.
We could say, it's more spiritual form.
John Kanzius is definitely using a sharp gradient to reorganize his burning water, and the crawling water, caterpillar drive is something I have never seen before.
Water, the ultimate conductor.
Thanks for opening up my mind.
They say that "functional literacy" means -"Being able to see the mathematics in art and the art in math." Seeing the similarities across disciplines.
The natural world is so amazing when you stop to look.
Let me know as soon as you are ready to start the water alkalizer build.
I can't wait.
Thanks
Stephen

[rhozzi]

energizing water...why?

I've been interested in enhancing the structure of water for years and have come to the conclusion....why? I've done it for years and have not noticed any different health benefits or changes. I was programing my water with positive statements by having headphones on the gallon jars based on Mr. Emoto's information. I finally realized that my body is full of water and using the headphones with my positive statements would do whatever needed to be done without dealing with the magnitite generators that is suppose to enhance the water, though I believe the changes are due to my hearing those statements 24/7 (I was wearing the headphnes almost 24/7 at a very low volumm for a subliminal effect).
If anyone else programmed their drinking water with noticeable results, it would be great to hear from you.

[Jetijs]

Alkalizing water does not give the water any kind of structure, it only ionizes it and separates the charges and such water has high PH and is beneficial for everyone that suffers form problems caused by acidic body (cancer for example). And almost everyone has higher than normal acid levels in their bodies. Such a water easily restores the PH balance. Negatively charges (ionized) water is only the first step to make structurized water and giving it a program. Ionization erases all the info the water has but it also makes it much more willing to accept new info and that can be placed there via certain vibrations. I think that if you have distilled water, you can think good thoughts about it for all day and nothing noticeable will happen, ionization is the "glue" that holds the structure in place.
Read more about this here:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/9833-mechanysm-water-structuring.html?highlight=mechanysm

[rhozzi]

A couple of years ago I found information about making a homemade ionic footbath using a battery charger and two stainless steel plates. I followed the instructions and wound up with blood red water and a lot of stuff (like dead skin) with every use and decided it was too dangerous. I was very sick with asthma and thought the ionic footbath would help heal me. It did not.
Other information from earthclinic.com has helped greatly and I am 95% better.
After reading this thread yesterday, I checked back on the subtleenergy forum about structured water and ORMUS and remembered I still had one of the homemade divices I had put together from someone else's information. I used it again today and had more energy than usual. My original used plastic pop bottles but now that I know the danger of plastic I use 2 glass pop or screw on lid beer bottles. You need a cyclone tube (found at Learning Palace) and a 4" round magnet with a hole in it (about $14). You put your water in one bottle...screw the cyclone tube on and put the round magnet over the neck and screw the other bottle to the other end of the cyclone tube. It will leak a little, so turn it upside down over the sink or a towel and shake the top bottle in a circular motion to start the vortex and the water will flow down through the cyclone tube. I did this today 5-10 times (shaking the water and turning it upside down for the water to flow through the magnet)) and then you drink the water.
I checked out some of the instructions for making other types of devices for getting structured water but they were two complicated for this 68 year old brain. For me, I need simple but workable. This bottle method can be used for fresh juice too, though fresh is pretty healthy on it's own.
The magnesium rod interests me, so I may try it. I did not quite understand about the thin linnen rope and bag method but I will study it more. Thank you for this thread.

[rhozzi]

I've gone back and read the threads on this site regarding charging water and read them more thoroughly and came away with more understanding than before. I realize I have tried different things off and on for years but have not been consistant in using any one thing. But after reading some of the positive results decided to redo and reuse the glass jar, magnets and airstone to create charged water. This in addition to the one with the 2 bottles and the cyclone tube and 4" magnet ring.
I do have a question for anyone who might know the answer, I'm planning to buy a house that is in an area that has a lot of sulfur in the well water. Will the sulfur have any effect on charging the water or if I choose to get an ORMUS water trap, effect the end result of collecting the water in a negative way (besides the taste, which can be filtered out)?

[Stephen Brown]

Alkalizing Water Machine Tour.

Hi Jetijs,
I finally spelled your forum name correctly. Sorry.
Do you have an estimated time, on a walk-around your most recent water alkalizer?
I see you're working on Algae production techniques. Great stuff!
Has your testing turned up any, more effective ways of building the alkalizer?
I know it's Christmas/Holiday time, but what do you think.
Maybe by the New Year or sometime in January?
I'm thinking like you, that building 2 or 3 at a time is a good duplication of efforts.
It's never to early to get healthy.
"Health is our only real wealth."
Thanks for all your efforts.
Stephen

[Usmar]

Hi Jetijs,
I am newbie here. It's very interesting equipment you have made . I want to make duplication, I need your permission.
You said that " I use rectifier AC on the plates, that means about 300V DC. The current consumption is about 3A max..", is it correct figure?
Actually, I have tried with battery charger with 24V but the Ampere meter just not moved, maybe the current is to small (?). I want to use higher voltage, but little bit worry...please help

[Jetijs]

Hi Usmar. Go ahead and build the unit, no permission is needed. I will be glad if the tech spreads out and some one will benefit from it. I gave build 7 cells already and so far every one who uses it is very happy. Here are some posts from hereticalbuilders.com forum about the cel construction and assembly:

I used 12mm channel plates, that means a total of 24mm between the plates. This made the cell consume about 2.5A at 300VDC, so I calculated that 24mm of water has a resistance of 120 Ohms (at least if you have the same channle lengths and size as I have). So if this can be scaled lineary that means that per each milimeter you will get 5 ohms of resistance per milimeter. If you have 8mm channel plates, this means a total of 16mm between steel plates, so that is 80 Ohms, so at rectified 120VAC you will get around 150VDC.
So at 150V and 80 Ohms you will have 1.875A of current flow, which will get you a water with a PH around 9.5 to 10. I would use more power, 3A would be good, but this can be achieved als by increasing the length of the channels thus increasing the surface area and the time the water is treated. My channels are 3mm wide and a total of 1.88m long, see if you can squeeze longer channels in your acrylic plate.
Another thing, the water has 8mm plastic inlets and outlets on each channel plate, they are glued in a drilled hole in the width of the plate. If you use thinner plates, a problem might be to get the water in and out of the channels through thickness of the plate. The thinnest plates I have tried are 10mm and the water inlets/outlets with 8mm diameter, that leaves only 1mm of space on each side of the hole. That is as thight as I can go using these plastind fittings. Maybe you can also use 10mm plates but increase the surface area where the water contacts the steel, bigger plates with longer channels would be advisable if you have no way of increasing the voltage. My cell size 150mm x 200mm. And consumes around 900w as the water flows through it.

This is how my channel plates look like:


Here is the sequence of the cell assembly in pictures:

[Jetijs]

Here are some other pictures that might help:










here are some other pictures of my setup (finally found my camera charger)







Notice how the one channel plate has turned yellowish and the other white over time? The white stuff that coats the channels and the SS plate is mineral deposits, they solidify when the PH of the water increases. I noticed that over time I can not get as high negative charge as I could at the beginning. Might be the water, but I suspect that this is more because the mineral buildup in the alkaline side, the minerals slowly coat and insulate the SS plate so the resistance increases. If you use around 1-3 liters of the water per day, I guess that it would be advisable to clean your cell every month or so. You might want to add a switch that lets you disconnect the plates from the power, so that only the pump is working. This will make the cleaning process easier. Today I made the cleaning experiment, I poured some water with dissolved citric acid in it at PH of 3, I was afraid to go lower as stronger acids might make the acrylic crack on stressed parts. Then I disconnected the plates from power and just let the water pump through some 20 times. I did not have some tubing at hand, if I had, I would let the pump work all the time and just connect the output water fittings to input reservoir. After several flushes, the water PH was already 4.6 and kept increasing. The tubing and other parts of the alkaline side started to clear up. I just kept adding acid to maintain PH of 3. But eventually I got bored keeping to push the button all the time. But I saw some improvement. There is still much minerals inside, but I will flush them out tomorrow thoroughly with acid water as it dissolves the minerals, you just need to go slow, because stronger acid solutions though would do the job faster, but it would also increase the risk of cracks in the acrylic. Of course after the cleaning, the cell must be flushed with clean water, preferably distilled water. Distilled water is also preferred while flushing the cell with acid dissolved in it as it has higher capacity to dissolve solid minerals in it that tap water. I noticed that also the acidic side of the cell became a bit cleaner. So, cleaning the sell time to time is a must and is easy to accomplish

[Jetijs]

That is my build, you can see Ted's awesome build on Heretical Builders - Powered by vBulletin
About the power, yes, you need higher voltages, with 24v the process will take days. I use rectified AC from the wall outlet, that gives me 300V DC and using a cell with a gap between SS plates of around 20mm, it consumes a bit more than 3KW when the cell is running. But the charge density and PH difference on the output water is very great. Ted built an even more powerful cell, he got the PH of the alkaline water up to 11.0 and the acidic water to 2.8. That is a huge difference He also notices benefits for his health almost on the same day he tried the alkaline water.
So if you have any questions, I will be glad to answer them.
Jetijs

[Usmar]

Thank you, Jetijs.
Your help is my appreciation. It is very informative. Today, I start to make sketch/drawing to send to workshop. BTW, I wonder how if the filter (that separate acid/alkaline water) is changed to copper plate/conductor: is the process still occured? Because if the electrone is the "transferred matter" than it will be OK; or I have mistake? Sorry for my understanding....

[Jetijs]

No, you need a membrane, copper wont work, because you need the water ions to be able to travel from one side to other. If you only needed electron flow - copper would work, but since you need ion flow, you need a semipermeable membrane. Copper would also be bad as it would tarnish quickly and contaminate water with all kinds of copper compounds.

[Stephen Brown]

Jetijs,
Thanks for heads up to all your great pictures and explanation on how to construct the water machine at Heritical Builders.
I will be building a couple myself and will start assembling all the components.
Thanks for being so generous with your information and expertise.
Sincerely
Stephen