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Elementary Treatsie in Electricity and Magnetism, a better defined version for the lay man available Free on google books.

by George Carey Foster, Jules François Joubert, Edmund Atkinson
Longmans, Green, and co., 1896 - Science - 576 pages

Make time to read this book, it's the only way to knowing the truth. Then make your own devices to harvest and transform energy.
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plain tap water if all thats needed. water molecules cools the engine, oil lubrication not needed.
I got some ammonia and will try heating zinc glass Mason jar covers with a
torch.

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I got some ammonia and will try heating zinc glass Mason jar covers with a
torch.

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if I am not mistaken, canning jars comes with steel lid with thin zinc coating.

why not just buy zinc oxide powder?.

I have seen them on ebay for $5/lb as recent as yesterday.
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Ceiler ring

Ceiler ring. The jars I am refering to have a glass top with rubber ring and a zinc collar that screws around the top. Maybe they don't make them anymore.
Got lots of old ones here. Don't want to wait for Ebay. Will get the real stuff eventually.

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Old 02-12-2011, 06:32 AM
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Ceiler ring. The jars I am refering to have a glass top with rubber ring and a zinc collar that screws around the top. Maybe they don't make them anymore.
Got lots of old ones here. Don't want to wait for Ebay. Will get the real stuff eventually.

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great, keep us posted on your progress.

I've been hunting for tin but seems real hard to find around here, you got any laying around over there?.
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Tin

Actually, now that you mention tin, I think it is scarce these days. I have not seen it for quite a while now. There might be some in the back shed here, but
I am in Canada.

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Hi Powerme, great info!

I have a few questions:

- Is this kind of HHO also suitable to light a torch? and/or is the mist above the water explosive?

- Can u use any crystal? ( I have a piece of black tourmaline)

- I have seen 20 Khz and 30 Khz foggers, does that make a difference?

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Hey will this work?

Zinc Oxide Powder ZnO - 1 lb. + 30% extra bonus on eBay!

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that should work

this is a smaller particle powder that will dissolve easier
Zinc Oxide Powder 1 lb. with FREE SHIPPING - eBay (item 120567402690 end time Mar-04-11 13:46:39 PST)

thats a good vendor, i also buy from them NaOH food grade for my sea water extractions.
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I just found a book by J.C. Maxwell on Henry Cavendish's Electrical Experiments.

Amazing, I must say he was profecient in Mathematic and his discoveries were centuries ahead of his time.

The life of the Hon. Henry Cavendish by Geroge Wilson, 1851 is an excellent Biography.
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Hi Powerme, great info!

I have a few questions:

- Is this kind of HHO also suitable to light a torch? and/or is the mist above the water explosive?

- Can u use any crystal? ( I have a piece of black tourmaline)

- I have seen 20 Khz and 30 Khz foggers, does that make a difference?

Regards

C'man
the transducer primarily produces atomize water and I just add ZnO crystals to harvest the ultrasonic waves that would otherwise be wasted as heat, the crystals generates HHO, effeciency ?. All I know is that it produces enough to make the gasous mixture combustible by spark within the ICE.

It may not be suitable for constant flame, I am working on different electrodes for HHO electrolysis as I found stainless steel to be the worst material due to high restivity.
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Old 02-12-2011, 07:11 PM
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that should work

this is a smaller particle powder that will dissolve easier
Zinc Oxide Powder 1 lb. with FREE SHIPPING - eBay (item 120567402690 end time Mar-04-11 13:46:39 PST)

thats a good vendor, i also buy from them NaOH food grade for my sea water extractions.
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what was the outcome of your Zn oxidation?

I am able to isolate Zinc from scrap metal with electrical induction, but the process is a bit complicate. The recovered zinc, I am able to reduce them to oxide form easily at temo above 1000F.
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that should work

this is a smaller particle powder that will dissolve easier
Zinc Oxide Powder 1 lb. with FREE SHIPPING - eBay (item 120567402690 end time Mar-04-11 13:46:39 PST)

thats a good vendor, i also buy from them NaOH food grade for my sea water extractions.
Ok I got some on the way "Your order is complete!" Now to make the crystals I can just mix household ammonia with the Zinc and let it sit in a cool dark place until the ammonia evaporates and I should have some good crystals? is that correct?

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Ok I got some on the way "Your order is complete!" Now to make the crystals I can just mix household ammonia with the Zinc and let it sit in a cool dark place until the ammonia evaporates and I should have some good crystals? is that correct?

Thank you!

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you will end up with ZnCl(OH) if you use ammonia chloride.

Best to buy ammonia hydroxide as that is the form that I used.
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you will end up with ZnCl(OH) if you use ammonia chloride.

Best to buy ammonia hydroxide as that is the form that I used.
Will this work?

Ammonium Hydroxide Concentrated 15 Molar Reagent 30mL
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Is this not good ?

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you will end up with ZnCl(OH) if you use ammonia chloride.

Best to buy ammonia hydroxide as that is the form that I used.
What common household cleaner (or other source) would have ammonia hydroxide in it ?

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Glass cleaner, and supposedly containers labeled just Ammonia. Thats what I bought.
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It may not be suitable for constant flame, I am working on different electrodes for HHO electrolysis as I found stainless steel to be the worst material due to high restivity.
Nickle 200 is good for electrodes low resistance and holds up well. It does seem to produce a slightly different gas form SS.
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What common household cleaner (or other source) would have ammonia hydroxide in it ?

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Glass cleaner, and supposedly containers labeled just Ammonia. Thats what I bought.
source:Wikipedia
sorry, haven't tried that. dissolve ZnO in Ammonium Hydroxide technical grade. Set Freezer to coldest setting, 3 hours should be enough for a small batch of 30ml.

Then let sit in well ventilated area.
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Nickle 200 is good for electrodes low resistance and holds up well. It does seem to produce a slightly different gas form SS.
yes, I'm blending different alloys do find the best correlation of conductivity and electrolysis.

I am also using crystalline alloy.
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FRC, you need to freeze solution to -0 degree C, use a probe to check temp, for me I get there in 2 hrs, then i leave it for an additional 1 hr.

I use a glass jar pint size to mix, i sue glass rod to mix, close lid then freeze. After freeze, I just set it on the table by a window and leave alone. Check a few days later, all dried with nice crysals.
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dont forget to open lid so your solution evaporates.

crystals HHO gas production can improved upon with addition of other elements but if someone can replicate what i had disclosed then we'll continue the discussions.
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Plasma

Will just straight fog (without the crystals) from the fogger work using a plasma spark?

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[QUOTE=FRC;130218]Will just straight fog (without the crystals) from the fogger work using a plasma spark?
Yes, that's what they do with atomize water injection. See how much gas u can cut back and keep engine running.

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Flyback

Was hoping to put together a plasma setup with a flyback transformerl. Have not got around to that yet either. Have been doing alum batteries today.

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Was hoping to put together a plasma setup with a flyback transformerl. Have not got around to that yet either. Have been doing alum batteries today.

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you can simply use off the shelf engine without having to build a circuit.

i was trying out other crystals like barium titanate and came across this:
The researchers, led by UW-Madison geologist and crystal specialist Huifang Xu, grew nanocrystals of two common crystals, zinc oxide and barium titanate, and placed them in water. When pulsed with ultrasonic vibrations, the nanofibers flexed and catalyzed a chemical reaction to split the water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen.

When the fibers bend, asymmetries in their crystal structures generate positive and negative charges and create an electrical potential. This phenomenon, called the piezoelectric effect, has been well known in certain crystals for more than a century and is the driving force behind quartz clocks and other applications


it seems like there's already patent application pending on what I am doing.
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When the fibers bend, asymmetries in their crystal structures generate positive and negative charges and create an electrical potential.
Can you elaborate on this?
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Can you elaborate on this?
simply means they vibrate, motion of bending back and forth just like an electrical coil in oscillation. the crystals however liberate water into Hydrogen and Oxygen by consuming the surplus ultrasonic waves that would other wise be wasted as heat is a normal fogging machine.

the crystals efficiency is around 15% for regular water but since we are atomizing water into much finer molecules, our efficiency is much greater.
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if one was to put together an atomizing HHO water fuel kit for small generator 6kwh, this kit will include all components required but will need to produce water fuel and will need 2 hrs assembly time.

how much should it be priced?.
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