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Old 02-11-2011, 09:41 AM
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You talk of ultrasonicwaves but no mention how to make them and how to use them.

You talk of making and using crystals but no explanation how to use them, in which amount, etc.

What could I do with this incomplete information?
Take your time but please sometime give me the complete view (if possible with a diagram).
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ok bugler, sorry for having tried to help.

everything is very simple. just big words that people made up to name things.

get a fogger, put it in a container of water, plug it in and you have ultrasonic waves, this is the same transducer that is used for babies ultrasound, same thing used in ultrasonic welding.

make some crystal, throw it in the water, now you have electrified water. test with a multimeter, you will have electricity.

I will not go into detail on making crystals because there is nothing more to tell, mix, freeze, let sit, that's really it.

Please do take action and make this, I will show you how to make a solid state Water Piezoelectric Power Supply with real usable power.

There many exciting things possible but no one is ready nor wants learn.

Show me progress and I'll do the same.
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Show me progress and I'll do the same.
Thank you very much.

Give me some weeks and I will get things done.

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zinc

Sorry for asking, but would crushed zinc lozenges or zinc supplements work ?

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Old 02-11-2011, 12:39 PM
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HHO heat

Hi if you manage to go in sonovusion direct with tubes in electrolyte it would be much better; no need to burn fire something like Dave Harvey.
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ok bugler, sorry for having tried to help.

everything is very simple. just big words that people made up to name things.

get a fogger, put it in a container of water, plug it in and you have ultrasonic waves, this is the same transducer that is used for babies ultrasound, same thing used in ultrasonic welding.

make some crystal, throw it in the water, now you have electrified water. test with a multimeter, you will have electricity.

I will not go into detail on making crystals because there is nothing more to tell, mix, freeze, let sit, that's really it.

Please do take action and make this, I will show you how to make a solid state Water Piezoelectric Power Supply with real usable power.

There many exciting things possible but no one is ready nor wants learn.

Show me progress and I'll do the same.
Ok I am just trying to make sure we are all on the same page with this. Once we make the zinc crystals and if I am correct any thing that has a piezo effect that will not dissolve in water will work. All we do is put them in some type of bag that will allow water to flow through them. At that point you say that the water will produce electricity?

But with the electricity being produced inside the water I do not know of anyway to measure the output. Perhaps someone can explain a good way to do so.

And how does this split the water? If we resonate the crystals at some frequency are you saying that it causes the water to split thus producing HHO? Or if it works as you state like a piezoelectric then electricity is produced from the crystals hitting each other very fast causing the difference of potential thus making small amounts of current.

I can see how it would work but more detail would be great. As in do you have a source for ordering pre-made crystals? And how many are you using? How small are they? How much HHO are you seeing produced that is mixed with the water vapor?

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Old 02-11-2011, 01:20 PM
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Sorry for asking, but would crushed zinc lozenges or zinc supplements work ?

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I don't think so because they would melt in the water. I could be wrong.
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Old 02-11-2011, 05:27 PM
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Thanks for the great Info powerme.

While i'm not 100% clear, i think there is enough to get started.

* Use Zink oxide to make Crystals.
* Put crystals in bags teabags or the like and put into water.
(the ratio of crystals to water? maybe not that important, what size foger for what size engine maybe trial and error)
* Build container for foger and water and crystals.
* Duct container so engine intake sucks fog /HHO into intake.
* Start engine & trim back gasoline.


I wonder if Pulstar plugs would work best for off the shelf plugs?
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Old 02-11-2011, 06:08 PM
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Thanks for the great Info powerme.

While i'm not 100% clear, i think there is enough to get started.

* Use Zink oxide to make Crystals.
* Put crystals in bags teabags or the like and put into water.
(the ratio of crystals to water? maybe not that important, what size foger for what size engine maybe trial and error)
* Build container for foger and water and crystals.
* Duct container so engine intake sucks fog /HHO into intake.
* Start engine & trim back gasoline.


I wonder if Pulstar plugs would work best for off the shelf plugs?
no problem, hope it will be useful for you.
* zinc oxide is widely available, check your local chemical supplier, horticulture suppliers etc. Make several envelopes and try them out.

* tyvek enevelope is easy to find, just seal well.

* ZnO crystals will resonate at above 30 khz and will work just fine with generator dc from alternator. Or you can use the ac transformer included and just plug it into your generator, it does not consume much watt. You can fine tune it with PWM, regular water dissociates freely at above 43khz but you are cracking fine molecules of water.

This is trial and error, you're using plain tap water and All water is not the same. HHO, DHO, THO and other variants are what we call water.

For starters, start engine with gasoline, idle then completely cut off gasoline and switch to atomize water HHO. Fine tune your system and you will not need gasoline at all.

Any plug will work, but Krupa is best.
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Old 02-11-2011, 06:26 PM
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the before mentioned paper discloses precise procedure in the art of growing crytals, you can arrange the crytals into nano tubes but all that fancy work is not really necessary unless you want Swisswatch precision.

there are many other methods of electrical generation with different crytals of alloys but they may be irrelevant at this point.

everyone has a small engine, Lets do this and tune it to your own specific needs.

You can use and old container for your atomizing chamber, just make it air tight as not to loose your gaseous mix.
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sorry, meant to type crystals.
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Old 02-11-2011, 06:46 PM
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the common water fogger ouput 30 khz ultrasonic waves, that is enough to fracture atomize water into HHO, you are only producing enough to get the gas combustible. Other effects occur when gas is ignited by spark.

Zinc allow metal is widely available and can be had for free so is everything else. Zamak is an alloy of zinc with al, mn and other elements and can be salvage from old power tools, motor casing, car parts etc. It is easy to oxidize but we'll save that for later.

Just get some zinc oxide powder and grow some crystals. Someone here can buy a 25lb bag from a chemical supplier, it's about $30 locally and resell to others here on the forum.
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I don't think so because they would melt in the water. I could be wrong.
I just did an internet search of zinc oxide. It is used in zinc supplements. Also
sunscreen, diaper rash ointments, paints, and many other products. If these
were used you would have to do the crystal conversion first, I would think.

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hey FRC, why not try your fogger with a small engine. there are many forum out there for growing crystals and you can also buy grown crystals from many sources online.
The only small engines I have right now are 2 stroke. Chain saw and generator.
These require gas/oil mixture. Probably should use 4 stroke.

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I cant seem to find any information on a step by step process to grow ZnO crystals?

Anyone else have any luck?
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I have found some cheep Zinc Oxide.

Amazon.com: Zinc Oxide Powder ZnO - 300 Grams: Health & Personal Care

But I would love to have a pdf on how to exactly grow the Crystals from the powder.

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I cant seem to find any information on a step by step process to grow ZnO crystals?

Anyone else have any luck?
this is useless.

find a piece of zamak, burn it with a torch. it will oxidize into zinc oxide along with the other elements in the alloy.

scrape your oxide with a razor blade, it will shred into fine powder.

look in your pantry, get ammonia cleaning solution, it is ammonia chloride form, diluted solution is fine. mix it with your oxide powder and stir for 30 minutes to make sure all particles are dissolved.

let it sit, cover with a screen to contaminants out. crystals grows on its own and will dry out into flaky crystalline form. now you have ZnO crystals.

Guys, this is getting insanely ridicilous!
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Old 02-11-2011, 07:55 PM
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if you are too lazy to find ZnO powder, then make your own with the above procedure. Look in the trash, Zamak is everywhere, appliances, electronics. Cooling fins of transistor chips is made of zamak, even casted toy cars.

Google the material type and find the exact class of alloy, that tells you precisely what elements and composition of alloys.
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The only small engines I have right now are 2 stroke. Chain saw and generator.
These require gas/oil mixture. Probably should use 4 stroke.

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you wont know until you try. I have and it runs fine.
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Old 02-11-2011, 08:05 PM
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a note about heat oxidation, I use HHO torch which the flames is about 4000 degree F. I have used regular butane torch before and it works ok but takes a long time to smelter metals.

Zamak contains Al which will take a lot to melt and even higher temp to oxidize, easiest way is with Zinc Oxide powder.

Don't mean nothing negative, if you stop googling for answer and find them on your own, then progress will be much better. If you still place your belief in the authorities that determines The Power That Be, then you are wasting your time.

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this is useless.

find a piece of zamak, burn it with a torch. it will oxidize into zinc oxide along with the other elements in the alloy.

scrape your oxide with a razor blade, it will shred into fine powder.

look in your pantry, get ammonia cleaning solution, it is ammonia chloride form, diluted solution is fine. mix it with your oxide powder and stir for 30 minutes to make sure all particles are dissolved.

let it sit, cover with a screen to contaminants out. crystals grows on its own and will dry out into flaky crystalline form. now you have ZnO crystals.

Guys, this is getting insanely ridicilous!
What is getting insanely ridiculous? And what is useless? I am glad you are sharing your knowledge with everyone but can you please provide links to the process you are using to accomplish this?

Why wont the above ZnO work to make crystals?

What makes it "ridiculous" is trying to replicate something with out good information to do so. Basically you have said "Take these crystals and put them in water and BAM HHO.

Could you please provide a few links to some information that might aid in accomplishing this process?

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Old 02-11-2011, 08:18 PM
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What is getting insanely ridiculous? And what is useless? I am glad you are sharing your knowledge with everyone but can you please provide links to the process you are using to accomplish this?

Why wont the above ZnO work to make crystals?

What makes it "ridiculous" is trying to replicate something with out good information to do so. Basically you have said "Take these crystals and put them in water and BAM HHO.

Could you please provide a few links to some information that might aid in accomplishing this process?

Thank you,

-Altrez
ok Altrez, we are i 2 differnt realms.

1. yours is an progrmmed manifestation determined by the The Power That Be. Your knowledge is based on speculations and manipulated lies that is instilled in your belief. That's how Logical thinking works, precieved analysis with deletion of fact incompatible with your instilled values.

2. I have long ago abolished the system that is commonly called knowledge.
I learn and know.

My first post here was a suggestion to read the publication "Treatsie on Electricity and Magnetism."

Without common values of the same knowledge, our communications is useless.
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it is well known in the world that crystals under the influence of magnetic field will vibrate and generate it's own electricity. that is how old crystal radio sets works, transistors etc.

Bam, you put crystal into ultrasonic waver, your have HHO.

It is like planting a seed in proper enviroment, Bam, you have a plant growing all on its own without further energy expense. You harvest and eat and live for Free. Same with electricity.

Everything is an interaction of energy waves, the light you see is oscillation of magnetic waves. Tesla proved it with his artificial sunlight experiment.
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ok Altrez, we are i 2 differnt realms.

1. yours is an progrmmed manifestation determined by the The Power That Be. Your knowledge is based on speculations and manipulated lies that is instilled in your belief. That's how Logical thinking works, precieved analysis with deletion of fact incompatible with your instilled values.

2. I have long ago abolished the system that is commonly called knowledge.
I learn and know.

My first post here was a suggestion to read the publication "Treatsie on Electricity and Magnetism."

Without common values of the same knowledge, our communications is useless.
Perhaps we need a way to translate.

http://ia700303.us.archive.org/4/ite...uaternions.pdf

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Perhaps we need a way to translate.

http://ia700303.us.archive.org/4/ite...uaternions.pdf

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translate what??

it's either you can really see the frequency of the wave

or you can always just say it's called the color green.

no progress, I have nothing more to say.

good day.
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Thanks Powerme

Thanks Powerme, you sure have given us a lot of information. I would like to try
the HHO first in a heater setup. Would it work okay with a propane heater ? Then will try it on an engine. If this all works it will be fantastic. Thanks
again for sharing your extensive knowledge and putting up with our sometimes
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you wont know until you try. I have and it runs fine.
Maybe with some glycerine or polypropolene glycol in the water, like the foggers
are supposed to be used. That was actually something I had been wondering about. Are you supposed to just use straight water or a mixture to begin with ?
Sorry for more stupid questions.

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Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism can be located here A treatise on electricity and magnetism : Maxwell, James Clerk, 1831-1879 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

If anyone would like to read it.



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Maybe with some glycerine or polypropolene glycol in the water, like the foggers
are supposed to be used. That was actually something I had been wondering about. Are you supposed to just use straight water or a mixture to begin with ?
Sorry for more stupid questions.

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plain tap water if all thats needed. water molecules cools the engine, oil lubrication not needed.
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Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism can be located here A treatise on electricity and magnetism : Maxwell, James Clerk, 1831-1879 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

If anyone would like to read it.



-Altrez
Things are very simple, really.

Maxwell's Equations and theories were all based on the findings of Henry Cavendish, he was the real discoverer. And with all Henry's knowledge in electricity, he did not understand mathametic nor cared for it.

Maxwell's theories are just mathmatical expressions of the electrical phenomenas, the ones that you are not allowed to know about.

The route to real Knowledge of Electricity will defy all lies instilled upon you and you can clearly see things for what they really are.

You can read the book, or just try to understand what electricity and magnetism really are.

There's an excellent book on Google books from the 1880s called Elementary Electricity.
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Elementary Treatsie in Electricity and Magnetism, a better defined version for the lay man available Free on google books.

by George Carey Foster, Jules François Joubert, Edmund Atkinson
Longmans, Green, and co., 1896 - Science - 576 pages

Make time to read this book, it's the only way to knowing the truth. Then make your own devices to harvest and transform energy.
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