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additional questions

Has the reactor have the ability to separate the NH3 and N2O?
I wouldn't want the N2O, due to technical issue's modern cars are heaving with additional O in the burning process and adding more fuel to the mix. (I don't want to use a Volo (EIFA) device.

On-demand H2O drycel already have working design of having 2 outputs (pure hydrogen and oxygen)
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Has the reactor have the ability to separate the NH3 and N2O?
I wouldn't want the N2O, due to technical issue's modern cars are heaving with additional O in the burning process and adding more fuel to the mix. (I don't want to use a Volo (EIFA) device.

On-demand H2O drycel already have working design of having 2 outputs (pure hydrogen and oxygen)
You don't need. The sensor don't sniff N2O
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This seems inappropriate. The mechanism was given, the method of accomplishment, even much of the basic parts were outlined. Are you owed more? What have you shared with such certainty?

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Has the reactor have the ability to separate the NH3 and N2O?
I wouldn't want the N2O, due to technical issue's modern cars are heaving with additional O in the burning process and adding more fuel to the mix. (I don't want to use a Volo (EIFA) device.

On-demand H2O drycel already have working design of having 2 outputs (pure hydrogen and oxygen)
Why you want separated NH3 from N2O? You obtain an good stechiometric fuel mixture that burn with only 0,07mJ of activation energy. Differently from hydrogen/oxygen ammonia and nitrous oxide can be compressed at lot without problems because you have nitrogen as carrier
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You already debunked the reason for splitting the NH3 and N2O.

I would really like to produce the reactor described in this thread, but I guess we all have to wait for the knowledge to be shared in detail.
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How much BTU at which PSI does NH3/N2O have?
You mentioned to use 200 Watts as a starter, is the reaction self-substainable after this?
How much are you getting out of the reaction process in KW/efficiency %?
Do you still sell these plans and do these plans contain the whole design, with parts-list so I can build a workable prototype myself?
Do you have any vidz or pictures of your protoype?

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I too am interested in anymore plans or information that can be shared. I am reading about RF design and concepts. I know its difficult to work with when I don't have enough experience. Does the circuit need to be continually tuned or adjusted once its built? Like a dial to tune the inductance? Or is it all solid state once the impedence matching is done? I don't expect to receive all this information for free as far as plans I am willing pay for it too just so you know.

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Joseph H. Cater comments: The experiments of Schauberger and others have confirmed the enormous and almost unlimited quantities of electricity housed in water. The following is an absurdly simple and practical method of extracting this energy. It employs the “Coanda” or “cloud-buster” effect.

A plastic tube 14” to 16” (350 mm to 400 mm) long and about 2.5” (65 mm) in diameter is filled with distilled water. At each end, exposed to the water, is a copper terminal which is used for both the electrical input and output. Rechargeable dry cells of suitable voltage are connected in series with the input terminals. When the two output terminals are short-circuited or connected to a load, electricity starts flowing. This is current entrained by the input current. When high voltage is applied, the output voltage is almost as great as the input voltage. However, the amperage is inadequate. The answer to the problem is ultrasonics. It is an experimental fact that ultrasound of 600,000 Hz focussed on a container of water causes the water to boil. This means that sound of this frequency disintegrates large quantities of “soft” electrons in the water. The sudden release of “hard” electrons produces tremendous thermal agitation of the water molecules.

A DC ultrasonic transducer attached to the tube would produce sufficient free electrons to be entrained for the unit to have almost unlimited output potential. The tube functions like a sounding board. Mr Cater has been given powerful evidence that two different individuals who received this information got sensational results from the generator. They had access to such a transducer. They tried to set up in business but the vested interests saw to it that they were put out of business and persuaded to remain silent ever since.

An associate of Mr Cater built a fist-sized siren which generated a frequency of 600 kHz. When focussed on a small container of water, the water boiled. This demonstrated that it could be used instead of a solid-state DC ultrasonic transducer on the water generator. A small DC motor could operate the siren. It would be far more effective as it produces a much more intense sound.
If one were to make this device with a 600khz transducer and the water starts boiling, would it blow apart?
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Proof of Concept 1939

This link was found in another thread I apologize and thank the person that first posted the link. I saved it and could not locate its origins.
I would like to post it in None Electrolytic Splitting of H2O; it is a Popular Science article from March 1939. Francis Wilkinson,” Back yard Alchemist creates new substances with high frequency electricity”. There is a lot of information on his processes and hardware. He never used it to disassociate water but it looks like he used it on everything else.
If the RF experts could look at this and comment, we may be able to put a spark back into this thread. Pun intended, speaking of sparks check, out the spark gaps in his oscillator circuits.
Francis E. WILKINSON -- High Frequency Transformations
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what is the status?

I am still interested in knowing more about your working prototype.
Any pictures or vidz of it working?

What is the status of the E-Beam project?

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Hey Mike

Hey Mike sorry to hear about you son. I will purchase one of the vids from Aaron to help you with some fund raising.
I am wondering if you ever messed with these toroids of meyer design. Have you seen them? I never knew what these looked like until recently.
Why are we not talking about these? How they work, how to build, this is what we are all after.

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Hey Mike sorry to hear about you son. I will purchase one of the vids from Aaron to help you with some fund raising.
I am wondering if you ever messed with these toroids of meyer design. Have you seen them? I never knew what these looked like until recently.
Why are we not talking about these? How they work, how to build, this is what we are all after.

pics available here:

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Thank you, my work had to come to a stop for a while, but now I am having to slowly start again and make some money as the only person in the family that makes money is my wife.

E-beam has had to be turned into a commercial development, not what I wanted but I have to get income from somewhere. E-beam is very very real which involves a lot of my past and present work.

I will maintain full control of this, and it will not be assigned to one single entity, I want it to be available to all and at a reasonable price.

E-beam one day might be the molecular convertion reactor that powers both your home and your car. It does not have to be big as a small one can be powered from solar during the day and the gas produced compressed and used at a later time, the primary gas that I am working on is methane, but also ammonia can be made. Compressing is not a problem, there are many taxi's and buses using natural gas today which is compressed into cylinders in the buses and cars at the time of fillup.

Money is the problem for me at the moment as Mark, my son, comes first, "hospital fees are 10,000 euros a month", this will be recovered from the insurance of the driver I hope, but that is going to take up to two years in the courts to get it back, and I am nearly 61 years old and Mark 16 years old and may have to have perminent help for the rest of his life (you see the problem).

If anybody wants to give a direct donation they can make it via paypal at algar.stay@hotmail.com and mark it "Marks fund", it will all go to helping him now and in the future.

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Yes I have seen the item in person, it is an electric generator that works on gas in the toroid, "H1 H2" in a magnetic environment.

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Yes I have seen the item in person, it is an electric generator that works on gas in the toroid, "H1 H2" in a magnetic environment.

Mike
So does it have a 110 volt transformer driving the gas pump and is the gas just pure hydrogen or a combination of oxygen and hydrogen? When this copper coil was filled with gas did it get pressurized to say about 60 psi? This gas pump then in turn circulates the gas through the copper coil and as it passes each coil there is a voltage induced. These coils are wound for voltage and frequency I would think so cw wound for oxygen's resonant frequency. There are two coils in the middle then one smaller then the other it looks like. These are there to create a magnetic field and block the amps? Does this make sense or am I way off? I wanna figure out the theory behind it so it will be easier to build. I know there are other toroids and other devices that go along with it but I am just focusing on the one with the gas pump for now.

If I still had a paypal account I could donate a little more cash but they mistreated me on a transaction and wouldn't work it out with me even though I sent all the proof I had. They don't treat sellers fairly anymore. Buyers have all the power. Sorry. Yeah thats really heart wrenching to have your child hurt that bad. Its never supposed be that way. Your kids are supposed to take care of you some day not the other way around. I recently went to a benefit for a child that was found to be diabetic after he had a cerebral hemorrage. Now the kid has brain damage and is in a wheel chair. I used to see that kid run around and just have fun like a kid is supposed to but who knew this was gonna happen.

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Methane Query

Hi Mike,

I just saw your post about providing a method for making CH4 & O2 in the future. I for one am very interested in this aspect. I have a thread where we are actively engaged in trying to find an easy way to utilize our hydrogen gas as a fuel and I too believe CH4 is the proper way to go but don't have any real great info in that area. I was studying the NH3 route, but it is somewhat complicated for sure. Thanks. You have done a great job and are very much appreciated by many on this forum!!!

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For those that are interested, there are other gases that can be made using this system of which one is methane "natural gas" which can be made from CO2 and H2O to give CH4 and O2. This is easier than making ammonia and details will be forthcoming in the future.

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Hi Mike,

I just saw your post about providing a method for making CH4 & O2 in the future. I for one am very interested in this aspect. I have a thread where we are actively engaged in trying to find an easy way to utilize our hydrogen gas as a fuel and I too believe CH4 is the proper way to go but don't have any real great info in that area. I was studying the NH3 route, but it is somewhat complicated for sure. Thanks. You have done a great job and are very much appreciated by many on this forum!!!

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Well the NH3 route is complicated in recombining the activated gases into what you want, if you don't get it right then you create a lot of NOX gases as well, of which a small amount will happen anyway, but the trick is to keep that down.

CH4 is not simple either, but it is easier to control, your catalyst is electrons and the doping of the water. Laser, plasma or what ever you want to call it, I call it an electron high velocity beam "which covers a multitude of sins", RF is involved as you can't get away from it, but on a lower frequency which is easier to create.

The RF helps to vibrate the molecules to form atomic species, the electrons donate to create chemical reactions, the rest is manipulation to create the correct final bonds, membrane separation cleans the gas you want, easy really

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Thanks Mike!! Easy for you maybe but not for many of the rest of us. Thanks for all you have shared!!! You are a great man.

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Well the NH3 route is complicated in recombining the activated gases into what you want, if you don't get it right then you create a lot of NOX gases as well, of which a small amount will happen anyway, but the trick is to keep that down.

CH4 is not simple either, but it is easier to control, your catalyst is electrons and the doping of the water. Laser, plasma or what ever you want to call it, I call it an electron high velocity beam "which covers a multitude of sins", RF is involved as you can't get away from it, but on a lower frequency which is easier to create.

The RF helps to vibrate the molecules to form atomic species, the electrons donate to create chemical reactions, the rest is manipulation to create the correct final bonds, membrane separation cleans the gas you want, easy really

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The welding of metals seems to have used methods that have introduced unique new ideas.
The atomic hydrogen torch with its dissociation of diatomic to atomic hydrogen may have tapped into the zero point.
This is a link to a new Multiplaz Welder it is unique in that it uses water and alcohol in the welding process
If anyone has any information on this process please explain.


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Update on Muliplaz welder

The principles used in the welder are outlined in patent # 6,087,616 the process comes from Russian Federation inventers the welder is made in China.
A patent # 1,892,325 from 1932 also outlines a similar process.
A water filled nozzle with a center electrode produces an arc which decomposes the water into its composition gases. The gases leave the nozzle and ignite, when welding the burning gases enter a second arc zone that super heats the flame and produces a weld puddle.
Hydrogen has been used as a shielding gas before, some claim hydrogen embrittlement of the weld. Oxygen on the other hand should be avoided in the weld puddle .The shielding gases being generated from decomposition of water places the gases in a stoichiometric ratio. This may account for weld quality.
Wishing all forum members and their families a happy ,healthy and enlightened new year.
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Stanley Meyer was refering to Capacitive resonance..also..the copy of the patent I read included O-scope pictures....He was not using RF... it was pulsed DC ... so once you got your RF frequency..it needs to be rectified to pulsed DC...I thinks the amplifier could just be a simple transformer
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guys if you want to uderstand meyer, just read first few pages of his paper

and its clear that in thease pages he shows how to calculate phase delay of circiut !! XL and XC and Z ofcourse

now compare it to thane heins work and you can clearly see that all he is doing is pulsing transformer with high frequency to achive high phase delay bettween primary and secondary so his primary dont see load on secondary !!

this way he can make electrolysis on secondary but power consumption on primary is P x cos(phi) so if cos(phi) close to 90 degrease which is almost zero than P on primary is nearly zero + loses

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HI this is my 6th day in hospital and i am longing to go home. It is difficult to post with my smart phone so i will reply with updates when i get out of here.

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Do you guys have all the original estate photos, schematics ....from dynodon

They are available free from RWGResearch.com its a 1.2 gig file.

There's pictures of the coil arrangements.

If you guys wanna help get involved, I already am, now's the time. The more people come together on this the faster it will become reality.

So stan used a five coil arrangement primary secondary a pick up coil and two chokes coils.

So far I think its high voltage (1000 volts) dc pulsed back and forth between the two chokes up to 10khz. I thought between the two chokes one would become negative and the other positive. We shall see though our work is ongoing. I am working on the cells, someone else is doing electronics, that sort of thing... team effort

I hope you get better soon Mike and you should join our group. Remain anonymous if you wish.

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what i would sugest is

first make a research of water molecule , especialy electron configuration in diffrent excitements states, something like this Molecular orbitals for water (H2O)
water molecule is tricky because it changes electron configuration with excitement state

remeber his work was based on puharich work espacenet - Original document

and he studied the water molecule very well ,check patent

second dont try to decode stans papers because this guy was obsesed that someone would steal his invention thats why his patents will mislled!!

chockes may work as temporary current limitor but voltage goes thru to "set" molecule in wanted state then chocke discharge may do its work "deleyed current"

3 dimension cell is a must, because water molecule electrons orbits are 3d so to stimulate them you have to have 3d cell

and at last dont go blinde
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Stan Meyer to the end is simple to understand, him use air ionization and water fuel for obtain thermal energy. Stan use electric field and photons for obtain ionization but there are some other methods for obtain the same result. In the next days I present the first, made in italy, water gas stone stove that use meyer process including newest gas processor.
The images attached are extracted from Meyer page ..

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what i would sugest is

first make a research of water molecule , especialy electron configuration in diffrent excitements states, something like this Molecular orbitals for water (H2O)
water molecule is tricky because it changes electron configuration with excitement state

remeber his work was based on puharich work espacenet - Original document

and he studied the water molecule very well ,check patent

second dont try to decode stans papers because this guy was obsesed that someone would steal his invention thats why his patents will mislled!!

chockes may work as temporary current limitor but voltage goes thru to "set" molecule in wanted state then chocke discharge may do its work "deleyed current"

3 dimension cell is a must, because water molecule electrons orbits are 3d so to stimulate them you have to have 3d cell

and at last dont go blinde
first theory then experiment to test theory
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Stan Meyer to the end is simple to understand, him use air ionization and water fuel for obtain thermal energy. Stan use electric field and photons for obtain ionization but there are some other methods for obtain the same result. In the next days I present the first, made in italy, water gas stone stove that use meyer process including newest gas processor.
The images attached are extracted from Meyer page ..
Now back at home

Let me say again the meyer injector did not work as is, it never did as it had a design fault. The idea is sound, but I am not sure that high revolution can be obtained as the process may not be quick enough unless higher input power is used.

Alex the idea of a heater is good, I saw Stans which was a water heater for central heating, not sure what the Btu or Kcal of it would be though. The electronics as usual for him were complicated and designed by Steve, as all the electronics were.

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Now back at home

Let me say again the meyer injector did not work as is, it never did as it had a design fault. The idea is sound, but I am not sure that high revolution can be obtained as the process may not be quick enough unless higher input power is used.

Alex the idea of a heater is good, I saw Stans which was a water heater for central heating, not sure what the Btu or Kcal of it would be though. The electronics as usual for him were complicated and designed by Steve, as all the electronics were.

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Good to hear that you made it back home Mike.

Looking forward to reading more of your interesting Electrolytic Splitting of H2O energy work and the experimental progress. There is a lot to learn from water.

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