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Atomic Hydrogen as a Fuel

Regular hydrogen being separated out of water has no real power and it takes a lot of it to run an automobile engine. If on the other hand you convert the hydrogen to atomic hydrogen it becomes very powerful and it takes much less of this atomic hydrogen to run an automobile engine and/or whatever else you want to run.

Irving Langmuir invented an atomic hydrogen torch back in 1926 and this is one of the technologies that has been suppressed because the hydrogen being converted in that torch doesn't have to be used for welding but can be used as a fuel.

I saw a thread on the atomic furnace and it has some good information that is applicable here also. I'm not trying to steal anyones thunder from that thread, but I want members to realize that there are other uses for atomic hydrogen such as but not limited to running cars, generators, and so many other things.

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Anyone Can Make Atomic Hydrogen

This is one of the easiest ways to convert hydrogen into a usable fuel source and anyone can do it. Just look at the atomic torch and it's configuration. Use a similar setup to manufacture your atomic hydrogen and then use it for whatever you like.

Since only small amounts of atomic hydrogen are needed to run something, any simple electrolyzer making 1 lpm or more should get some useful results. Some engines may require more hydrogen and so in those instances you would need to get a more efficient higher production electrolyzer. This is so easy it has been overlooked by most experimenters.
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Easiest Application

Probably the easiest to utilize application for this fuel would be to use it to fire a boiler for the production of steam; and then to use the steam to power a steam engine which would in turn drive an electrical generator.
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One inventor did make use of atomic hydrogen, plus he also made use of atomic oxygen which is far more powerful than atomic hydrogen. He would strip four or more electrons from the oxygen atoms from the incoming air supply. His injectors worked on the oxygen and the hydrogen atoms. The inventors name is Stanley Meyer and on this site I posted just how he made use of water as a source of fuel. In two threads I created I show the energy calculations with only the oxygen atom having it's electrons stripped of four electrons as told by the patent. Guess what? At the fourth energy level the resulting reaction surpasses the energy content of gasoline by more than 1000 kJ/mol and I left the hydrogen atomic out of the calculations which would add another 1312 kJ/mol times two since there are two hydrogens used to form the water molecule. That for me gives the best answer to the question, "How did Stanley Meyer run a 1.6L engine with an hho production rate of only 7 L/min.?"

Now recently my theories on how Stanley Meyer made use of water as a fuel source have come under attack by people thinking Nitrogen is apart of the reaction (gmt) when it is a none combustable gas and really only takes the action of absorbing the heat of the said reaction expanding as it does aidding in pushing down the piston. They don't have a complete understanding of Chemistry so they are unable to see the reactions clearly and/or show the full sets of reactions along with the rates of the reactions and energy content calculations that go along with it. What I found out was one only has under .76 seconds and lower as the engine RPM's build up to get all the reactions set for explossion inside the combustion chambers.

Now the only reason I mention nitrogen at all is if you do take the time to read my thread you will read these two theories.
In the most basic sense the difference between the two theories is this:

My theory = ionized air gases(focusing on the oxygen atoms by choice of cohrent light wavelenghs used) + polarized dividing and spliting of water mist -> then mixed, compressed, and ignited. And it is also stated in the patent as doing exactly that.

The other theory = ionized air gases + hho -> making new molecules while being mixed, compressed, and then being ignited.

Take the time to read my post for they are up for everyone to have with no charge for the information given. Enjoy!


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Sounds interesting. Slovenia could you check that 2nd link in your first post as it does not seem to be valid (I think there are a lot of ....'s in that link that may be incorrect).
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Atomic Hydrogen | Langmuir

Very interesting - I have 5 tabs that have been open for over a week
in my browser all on atomic hydrogen and Langmuir's torch. I was intending
to start a thread on this because it is relevant to the other water fuel thread.

Lateral Science - Atomic Hydrogen Welding


Atomic - Hydrogen Welding

"A process in which the welding heat is generated by passing a stream of hydrogen through an electric arc between two inclined electrodes, which are usually of tungsten. The high temperature of the arc dissociates molecules of the gas into atoms, a large quantity of heat being absorbed by the hydrogen during dissociation. When the atoms leave the influence of the arc they recombine, forming molecules of hydrogen and liberating heat previously absorbed. The gas then burns in the ordinary way, taking up oxygen from the atmosphere for the purpose.


The average temperature of the flame is approximately 4000 deg. C., which is higher than the maximum temperature of any other flame. The heat is concentrated chiefly at the point of recombination of the atoms, and this recombination is accelerated catalytically by contact with the surface of the metal being welded. Thus an intense flame is obtained at the point of welding. The process is, therefore, used when rapid welding is necessary, as for stainless steels and other special alloys. The hydrogen envelope prevents oxidation both of the metal and the tungsten electrodes, and it also reduces the risk of nitrogen pick-up. The non-oxidizing characteristic is perhaps the most important in practice.
As a rule, the cost of welding by this process is slightly higher than with other processes, but it is sometimes the only practicable method by which a satisfactory weld can be made. An automatic atomic - hydrogen welding process has also been developed in which, instead of using hydrogen from high-pressure cylinders, the hydrogen is obtained by cracking anhydrous ammonia."


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Invented by Langmuir in 1926 , this device produces a temperature of 3700 degrees centigrade. Tungsten can be melted, diamond vapourised. A jet of hydrogen gas is dissociated as it passes through an electric arc. H2 > H + H - 422 kJ. An endothermic reaction, with the intensely hot plasma core of the arc providing the dissociation energy. The atomic hydrogen produced soon recombines; and this recombination is the source of such high temperatures (easily outperforming oxy-hydrogen: 2800oC and oxy-acetylene: 3315oC).


The hydrogen can be thought of as simply a transport mechanism to extract energy from the arc plasma and transfer it to a work surface. It produces a true flame, as the heat is liberated by a chemical reaction. H + H > H2 + 422kJ. The molecular hydrogen burns off in the atmosphere, contributing little to the heat output.



From the May 1, 1926 issue of The Science News-Letter -
"...developed by Dr. Irving Langmuir, assistant director of the Schenectady laboratory, and makes use of what he calls flames of atomic hydrogen.... Electric currents of 20 amperes and at voltages ranging from 300 to 800"


From A Text Book of Inorganic Chemistry, Partington 1946 -
"Atomic hydrogen. - Langmuir (1912) has shown that hydrogen in contact with a tungsten wire heated by an electric current at low pressure, is dissociated into atoms:

H2 <=> 2H. This splitting of the hydrogen molecule is attended by the absorption of a large amount of energy, about 100kcal per gram molecule. The atomic hydrogen so formed is chemically very active. Langmuir also showed that atomic hydrogen is formed when an electric arc between tungsten electrodes is allowed to burn in hydrogen at atmospheric pressure. The atomic hydrogen was blown out of the arc by a jet of molecular hydrogen directed across the arc, and formed an intensely hot flame, which is capable of melting tungsten (m.p. 3400oC). This flame obtains its heat not from combustion but from the recombination of hydrogen atoms into H2. It is suitable for melting and welding many metals. Iron can be melted without contamination with carbon, oxygen or nitrogen. Because of the powerful reducing action of the atomic hydrogen, alloys can be melted without fluxes and without surface oxidation. A feature of the flame is the great rapidity with which heat can be delivered to a surface, which is very important in welding operations."

Atomic hydrogen welding.
Used extensively before the second world war, particularly in germany. The method was known as Arc-Atom. The welding torch consists of two inclined tungsten electrodes across which an AC arc is struck. Annular nozzles around the electrodes carry hydrogen gas. The gas streams converge forming a fan shaped flame. A transformer with an open circuit voltage of 300V is required to strike and maintain the arc in hydrogen.



Because of the high thermal conductivity of hydrogen, the plasma channel in the arc is constricted, offering very high energy concentration. Arc-Atom welding was of particular use for such jobs as surfacing dies, where the high flame temperature enabled a thin surface layer to be deposited on the thick base metal. Modern shielding gas methods such as MIG and TIG processes have replaced Arc-Atom, but do not have the extreme temperatures and arc constriction qualities of atomic hydrogen.
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"AHW" redirects here. For the airline based in Kharkiv, Ukraine, see Aeromist-Kharkiv. For the railroad, see Ahnapee and Western Railway.


Atomic hydrogen welding (AHW) is an arc welding process that uses an arc between two metal tungsten electrodes in a shielding atmosphere of hydrogen. The process was invented by Irving Langmuir in the course of his studies of atomic hydrogen. The electric arc efficiently breaks up the hydrogen molecules, which later recombine with tremendous release of heat, reaching temperatures from 3400 to 4000 C. An acetylene torch merely reaches 3300 C. This is the third hottest flame after cyanogen at 4525 C and dicyanoacetylene at 4987 C. This device may be called an atomic hydrogen torch, nascent hydrogen torch or Langmuir torch.



The process was also known as Arc-Atom welding.


The heat produced by this torch is sufficient to melt and weld tungsten (3422 C), the most refractory metal. The presence of hydrogen acts as a gas shield and protects metals from contamination by carbon, nitrogen, or oxygen, which can severely damage the properties of many metals. It eliminates the need of flux for this purpose.


The arc is maintained independently of the workpiece or parts being welded. The hydrogen gas is normally diatomic (H2), but where the temperatures are over 600 C (1100 F) near the arc, the hydrogen breaks down into its atomic form, simultaneously absorbing a large amount of heat from the arc. When the hydrogen strikes a relatively cold surface (i.e., the weld zone), it recombines into its diatomic form and rapidly releases the stored heat. The energy in AHW can be varied easily by changing the distance between the arc stream and the workpiece surface. This process is being replaced by shielded metal-arc welding, mainly because of the availability of inexpensive inert gases.


In atomic hydrogen welding, filler metal may or may not be used. In this process, the arc is maintained entirely independent of the work or parts being welded. The work is a part of the electrical circuit only to the extent that a portion of the arc comes in contact with the work, at which time a voltage exists between the work and each electrode.
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Langmuir ,in 1915, obtained atomic hydrogen by dissociating on a hot filament of tungsten or platinum. The dissociation of molecular hydrogen is an endothermic process.




The atomic hydrogen is stable only for a fraction of a second and immediately reverts back to its molecular form, liberating a large amount of energy.


Atomic hydrogen is extremely reactive, being more reactive than ordinary, nascent, or adsorbed oxygen. When it is passed over metals or non-metals, it forms hydrides at normal temperatures, excepting for nitrogen, to which it does not react.


Atomic hydrogen is an extremely powerful reducing agent, reducing oxides chlorides and sulphides of some metals like Ag, Hg, Cu etc. to metals at ordinary temperature.Nascent Hydrogen

The hydrogen gas, which is just liberated as a result of a chemical is called nascent hydrogen or newly born hydrogen. It is obtained by passing dihydrogen gas at atmospheric pressure through an electric arc between two tungsten rods. The electric arc maintains a temperature around 4000 - 4500C. As the molecules of dihydrogen gas pass through the electric arc, these absorb energy and get dissociated into atoms as nascent hydrogen. It is more reactive than ordinary hydrogen and its colour is not discharged. (pink in colour). For example, if ordinary hydrogen is passed through acidified KMnO4 it does not get decolourised. However, if zinc pieces are added to the same solution, bubbles of hydrogen rise up through the solution and the colour is discharged due to the reduction of KMnO4 by nascent hydrogen.
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Now recently my theories on how Stanley Meyer made use of water as a fuel source have come under attack by people thinking Nitrogen is apart of the reaction when it is a none combustable gas and really only takes the action of absorbing the heat of the said reaction expanding as it does aidding in pushing down the piston. They don't have a complete understanding of Chemistry do they are unable to see the reactions clearly and/or show the full sets of reactions along with the rates of the reactions and energy content calculations that go along with it.
Drop your almighty claims Edward! Nitrogen IS part of the reaction and
nobody has said nitrogen itself is combusting - get real! Keep your
misdirection attempts at making it look like anyone is saying nitrogen is
combusting to your own thread as it is irrelevant, it is a false claim and to
even insinuate that anyone has said nitrogen is combusting is completely
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else that sees value in nitrogen being an essential part of the process.
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Sounds interesting. Slovenia could you check that 2nd link in your first post as it does not seem to be valid (I think there are a lot of ....'s in that link that may be incorrect).
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Thanks for the intel on the bad link. It worked this morning I don't know what happened. I'll fix it right away.

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Very interesting - I have 5 tabs that have been open for over a week
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Lateral Science - Atomic Hydrogen Welding


Atomic - Hydrogen Welding

"A process in which the welding heat is generated by passing a stream of hydrogen through an electric arc between two inclined electrodes, which are usually of tungsten. The high temperature of the arc dissociates molecules of the gas into atoms, a large quantity of heat being absorbed by the hydrogen during dissociation. When the atoms leave the influence of the arc they recombine, forming molecules of hydrogen and liberating heat previously absorbed. The gas then burns in the ordinary way, taking up oxygen from the atmosphere for the purpose.


The average temperature of the flame is approximately 4000 deg. C., which is higher than the maximum temperature of any other flame. The heat is concentrated chiefly at the point of recombination of the atoms, and this recombination is accelerated catalytically by contact with the surface of the metal being welded. Thus an intense flame is obtained at the point of welding. The process is, therefore, used when rapid welding is necessary, as for stainless steels and other special alloys. The hydrogen envelope prevents oxidation both of the metal and the tungsten electrodes, and it also reduces the risk of nitrogen pick-up. The non-oxidizing characteristic is perhaps the most important in practice.
As a rule, the cost of welding by this process is slightly higher than with other processes, but it is sometimes the only practicable method by which a satisfactory weld can be made. An automatic atomic - hydrogen welding process has also been developed in which, instead of using hydrogen from high-pressure cylinders, the hydrogen is obtained by cracking anhydrous ammonia."


Odhams Practical & Technical Encyclopaedia 1947



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You must be sending me some strong vibes or something. Last night about 12:30 a.m. or so I woke up with the strong feeling that I was supposed to add the link on the atomic hydrogen to the Energetic Forum. It just came to my mind from somewhere. It was probably you. It's unbelievable. I've been listening to your tapes and I've been trying to stay focussed and think positive.

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One inventor did make use of atomic hydrogen, plus he also made use of atomic oxygen which is far more powerful than atomic hydrogen. He would strip four or more electrons from the oxygen atoms from the incoming air supply. His injectors worked on the oxygen and the hydrogen atoms. The inventors name is Stanley Meyer and on this site I posted just how he made use of water as a source of fuel. In two threads I created I show the energy calculations with only the oxygen atom having it's electrons stripped of four electrons as told by the patent. Guess what? At the fourth energy level the resulting reaction surpasses the energy content of gasoline by more than 1000 kJ/mol and I left the hydrogen atomic out of the calculations which would add another 1312 kJ/mol times two since there are two hydrogens used to form the water molecule. That for me gives the best answer to the question, "How did Stanley Meyer run a 1.6L engine with an hho production rate of only 7 L/min.?"

Now recently my theories on how Stanley Meyer made use of water as a fuel source have come under attack by people thinking Nitrogen is apart of the reaction when it is a none combustable gas and really only takes the action of absorbing the heat of the said reaction expanding as it does aidding in pushing down the piston. They don't have a complete understanding of Chemistry so they are unable to see the reactions clearly and/or show the full sets of reactions along with the rates of the reactions and energy content calculations that go along with it. What I found out was one only has under .76 seconds and lower as the engine RPM's build up to get all the reactions set for explossion inside the combustion chambers.

Take the time to read my post for they are up for everyone to have with no charge for the information given. Enjoy!


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Peoples don't attack you only reply because have an own mind for think! Instead you are similarry government...you want that all peoples have your vision.. NO DEAR ISN'T POSSIBLE!!! For reply to your words... Yes.. nitrogen isn't an combustible .. you have true on that but NITROGEN is used from Meyer similarry to carbon on gasoline molecule. My eyes all days see Meyer chemical reaction .. and isn't fantasy as your oxygen destabilized.. oxygen for me is only an oxidant and don't create miracles inside engine. On your thread you have written kilometers of same words but the complete chemical reaction created inside Meyer Injector isn't present, you write only about ionization energy of oxygen but only that. Meyer have understand, probably after tests, that hydrogen can't be useful inside normal engine and the only right way for use hydrogen as combustible is change the atomic mass. But as you know is impossible normally but with ammonia all change.. You and your peoples continue to study Meyer patents but sometimes I have written: MEYER PATENST ARE WRONG FOR PROTECT HIM FROM COPIERS. I have reply to you only because writing these words you have offend me and my team.. Regards
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The 2nd Link will not pull up properly for some reason, so I am going to give you a link to a web page that has the pdf file I want you to download there. The name of the book I was trying to link you to was, PDF IRVING LANGMUIR AND ATOMIC HYDROGEN. By Nicholas Moller.

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You must be sending me some strong vibes or something. Last night about 12:30 a.m. or so I woke up with the strong feeling that I was supposed to add the link on the atomic hydrogen to the Energetic Forum. It just came to my mind from somewhere. It was probably you. It's unbelievable. I've been listening to your tapes and I've been trying to stay focussed and think positive.

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The 2nd Link will not pull up properly for some reason, so I am going to give you a link to a web page that has the pdf file I want you to download there. The name of the book I was trying to link you to was, PDF IRVING LANGMUIR AND ATOMIC HYDROGEN. By Nicholas Moller.

So, here is the link if you'd like to download the book:
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HHO torch

Haven't anyone use HHO generator as torch? I don't think it is that different when you made a flame of it.

The advantage of water torch:
- non toxic output, infact a super water
- very concentrated heat, allow very high precision cut required for jewelery, etc. heat do not radiate everywhere
- hot enough to melt rock or any other hard substance.
- can burn anything which allow it's use in korea as virus disinfectant, waste clean up and nuclear contaminant cleaning.



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We expect people who use the ERxxxx WaterTorches to discover uses we haven't even thought of. The possibilities are so endless that this technology will change civilization as we know it.

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We mention these applications here so that you can see why Brown's Gas would be of interest to nearly anyone. Some of these applications are politically too hot for us to touch right now. We have enough internal (Eagle-Research) evidence to mention these uses as potentially real and are working to get independent verification. DISCLAIMER: Until we have independent verification we are describing the below information as RUMORS.

In the meantime, we feel that it is important to get as many ERxxxx WaterTorches out into the world as possible, so that the technology has public acceptance when we then tell people the many ways to use the Brown's Gas for their personal benefit.

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We're learning that water can be 'programed' to pass on health. This is easy to do with the water formed by the 'exhaust' of the Brown's Gas flame. The production of Brown's Gas 'erases' previous programing and then we can impress new programing on the water as it is newly reformed. We can make water that gives a feeling of relaxation and well-being just by drinking it.

Hydrated Water for Health
When Brown's Gas is bubbled through clean water, the water absorbs oxygen and hydrogen. We think there is an additional energy (electrical in nature) added to the water as well. We find the drinking the resulting enhanced, oxygenated and hydrated water to bring us alert like drinking a cup of coffee, without the side effects.

Many people know that oxygenated water is healthful. There are many companies selling water that has had oxygen added to it.

What is generally unknown is that water is even more healthful when hydrogen is added to it. Drinking water is called hydrating the body. An astonishing fact is that chlorinated water, coffee, carbonated and sweetened fluids are generally dehydrating. Most of the diseases known to mankind (including aging) can be prevented or mitigated by hydrating the body.

Every test of Brown's Gas enhanced water shows it to be super hydrating, far superior to regular water (as much as 10 times).

Enhanced water is an essential key to keeping an active youthful body as the years go by. We have reason to believe this water enhances every chemical process in the body, making a super immune system and mitigating the symptoms of aging, mostly caused by dehydration.

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In North America chlorine is used to purify water, intending to kill microorganisms that cause disease. Chlorine is a deadly poison and attempts are made to put in just enough to kill the microorganisms and not the person drinking it. Most of the rest of the world purifies water using Ozone, a form of oxygen. Oxygen kills the microorganisms without harm to people. Brown's Gas is an excellent way to oxygenate drinking water.

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Speed Healing of Wounds
When Brown's Gas is applied to a wound, hydrogen and oxygen are absorbed which kills anaerobic microorganisms and assists cell regeneration.

Help Plants Germinate and Grow
Plant growth can be enhanced by either hydrated water and/or 'programmed' water. The resulting plants and fruits are more healthful to eat, providing nutrition and energy that most current produce cannot.

Neutralization of Radioactive Waste
It has now been officially proven (in Canada) that Brown's Gas can neutralize radioactive waste in seconds, easily and extremely inexpensively. This neutralization treatment can take place right at the nuclear reactor so there is no need to transport or store nuclear waste.

This issue is so politically HOT that we deliberately do not promote it. Brown's Gas technology is not firmly enough in general use to prevent suppression by 'vested interest'. This single application is worth billions of dollars and can revolutionize the nuclear power generation industry.

Creating New Industrial Materials
Brown's Gas can both make and weld rubies together. Brown's Gas can weld sapphires together. When Brown's Gas cooks rocks, it turns then into semiprecious material; for example feldspar (30% of earth's crust) turns into a transparent form of moonstone, which can be used as a nearly indestructible building material (colors can be added).

Transmutation
We've learned of two ways of using Brown's Gas to make materials that did not exist in the original samples. We can make metals from water. Again, too politically HOT to touch.

Inexpensive Toxic Waste Disposal
Brown's Gas is an implosive flame, with the power to reduce nearly any material to it's basic components (usually nontoxic). So enclosed chambers can be built to vaporize PCBs and other toxic waste.

Vastly Increase Recoverable Ore
In tests conducted by several mines, Brown's Gas treated ore allowed recovery of up to three times more mineral. Brown's Gas can be used to treat waste dumps of obsolete mines, recovering more mineral than the mine originally produced. Again, this application is worth billions of dollars.

Underwater Breathing Gas
Brown's Gas is nontoxic and breathable. When used as an underwater breathing gas it allows divers to stay underwater longer and come up faster because the hydrogen does not cause the bends as much as nitrogen or helium. This would allow much more use of ocean resources.

Super-Efficient Room Heating
Generally, Brown's Gas is a poor way to space heat, because the flame radiates very little infrared (heat) energy.

However; there is evidence that, using catalytic materials, a Brown's Gas heater can be constructed that radiates huge amounts of heat and does not require any room venting. The efficiencies stated are 400%. In other words, a 1000 watts input will produce 4000 watts of heat. Eagle-Research has not yet verified this, but has seen enough evidence to list it here.

Surface Treatment of Materials
When a Brown's Gas flame is played over the surface of materials, there are effects that can be beneficial. Iron becomes rust resistant, and can be surface hardened to prevent wear. Brick and cement become corrosion and water proof.

Combustion Enhancement
Brown's Gas has been proven to help burn water/fossel-fuel mixtures in a ratios of up to 90% water. This works in internal AND external combustion (from vehicles to home heating and electrical power plants).
I see it has same property as atomic hydrogen.

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for more info on brown-gas/water torch read info on eagle-research.

As for home heating appliance, I read that stephen meyer have that kind of product utilizing ceramic as heat radiator.

I notice that there is much use of hho gas. It would be a shame to have your 1L/minutes hydroxy generator just stand idle. Start burning your coffe .
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Thanks for sharing the information on the water torch. That is real amazing stuff.

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i just wanted to add my opinion

well to make atomic hydrogen you have to use extra energy to craete arc right ?

but when im listening Meyer lecture Stanley A. Meyer The Safe Free Energy Conference Einsiedeln_Switzerland-1989 mostly from 39:44 to 41:30 i came to idea that what we sould do is to prevent recombination off hydrogen and oxygen to form water to get more energy right?

so what hes saying is to ,after water separation, hydrogen and oxygen sould be energized to create bigger than normal charges in nuclei to weken the attraction force with electron so it will not be in stable state and will not recombine to form water molecule wich will result in combustion in even higher energy output .

thats how i understand this , hes saying hes using laser but why ? we can energize hydrogen and oxygen just after splitting with the same technique that we energize to split water molecule with alternating electric field

what you guys think ?

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hello

i just wanted to add my opinion

well to make atomic hydrogen you have to use extra energy to craete arc right ?

but when im listening Meyer lecture Stanley A. Meyer The Safe Free Energy Conference Einsiedeln_Switzerland-1989 mostly from 39:44 to 41:30 i came to idea that what we sould do is to prevent recombination off hydrogen and oxygen to form water to get more energy right?

so what hes saying is to ,after water separation, hydrogen and oxygen sould be energized to create bigger than normal charges in nuclei to weken the attraction force with electron so it will not be in stable state and will not recombine to form water molecule wich will result in combustion in even higher energy output .

thats how i understand this , hes saying hes using laser but why ? we can energize hydrogen and oxygen just after splitting with the same technique that we energize to split water molecule with alternating electric field

what you guys think ?

cheers
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Hi Wojwrobel,

The reason I started this thread was to give members another option to consider in their quest for energy independence. This is a Irving Langmiur type system and I feel a much easier setup to utilize than that of the late Stanley Meyer.

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but when im listening Meyer lecture Stanley A. Meyer The Safe Free Energy Conference Einsiedeln_Switzerland-1989 mostly from 39:44 to 41:30 i came to idea that what we sould do is to prevent recombination off hydrogen and oxygen to form water to get more energy right?
Meyer solution for this is to flow them at:
- VIC, amp limited, laser primed resonant cavity.
- quenching circuit, a small pipe of at least 1/8 inch long and having a .015 diameter.

However, I recall to see a video where he do it directly by burning the output of hho using plastic tube.
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Atomic Hydrogen water electrolysis

I was wondering about the effects on hydrogen production if we were to feed the water that is being split by the conventional means by atomic hydrogen from an outer source. Would that increase the hydrogen production by rapidly dissociating water to form new hydrogen molecules?
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From William Lyne's book "Occult Ether Physics"

1) From Van Nostrand's Encyclopedia of Science Hydrogen molecules dissociate to atoms endothermically at high temperatures (heat of dissociation about 103 cal/gram mole) in an electric arc, or by irradiation. ...the hydrogen atoms recombine at the metal surface to provide heat required for welding.

So, is not correct! It's only about 412 J to disassociate the H2 into 2 H's atoms !!! This is where the extra energy comes in from the vacuum and what makes this process have an optimal energy gain of about 1000 times the input.

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Langmuir ,in 1915, obtained atomic hydrogen by dissociating on a hot filament of tungsten or platinum. The dissociation of molecular hydrogen is an endothermic process.




The atomic hydrogen is stable only for a fraction of a second and immediately reverts back to its molecular form, liberating a large amount of energy.
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William Lyne

Atomic Hydrogen was originally described by William Lyne in his book OCCULT ETHER PHYSICS in Chapter VI: FREE ENERGY MASSACRE copyright 1996 - most of the material in this page forum was taken from his research - he is currently building the furnace and it is called the Lyne Hydrogen Furnace. Patents probably pending.
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atomic hydrogen

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From William Lyne's book "Occult Ether Physics"

1) From Van Nostrand's Encyclopedia of Science Hydrogen molecules dissociate to atoms endothermically at high temperatures (heat of dissociation about 103 cal/gram mole) in an electric arc, or by irradiation. ...the hydrogen atoms recombine at the metal surface to provide heat required for welding.

So, is not correct! It's only about 412 J to disassociate the H2 into 2 H's atoms !!! This is where the extra energy comes in from the vacuum and what makes this process have an optimal energy gain of about 1000 times the input.
Maybe, I was only quoting that from a reference. Other references show
416 J, etc... it depends on whose book you read.

In any case, this concept is in the context of dissociating h2 to h with an
arc.

Nh3 production route then cracking ammonia doesn't require as much,
which will ultimately give atomic hydrogen where it needs to be when
only starting with air and water.
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can anyone convert this?

can someone please show me the maths or a method of conversion to find out the electrical energy needed to disasociate a 50cc volume of H2 into H+H at STP.

J L Naudins setup shows his best efficiency was at about 5watt input, into 30cc of H2. (0.3Lt @ 0.1 Atm). But how much of this 30cc volume would have been split?
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found this pdf on plasma has some info on laser nm spectrum other details

http://alexandria.tue.nl/extra2/200510358.pdf
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Soon as some one turns that into a spark plug let me know Sorry guys couldn't resist.

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