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Old 10-21-2010, 07:11 AM
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So i need the right frequincy and a steady dc sorce ? Is that straight dc or what. And i assume you mean in the reactor.
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Old 10-21-2010, 07:30 AM
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So i need the right frequincy and a steady dc sorce ? Is that straight dc or what. And i assume you mean in the reactor.
In fact don't exist right frequency because you are conditioned from your mechanical parts. An fixed frequency don't help you! You must think about that
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Old 10-28-2010, 12:53 PM
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Hey Tutanka... Try non earthed rain water. Ie rain captured in a non conductive vessel. Its the best. ENERGIZED my friend. I mix it with ethanol 50/50 with great results.
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All is based on frequency.. you can use RF or HV .. you don't need only right frequency but also an stable frequency in the time if you want that your system work.. don't understand?? ok.. photo is attached.. need more infos? Im here ..
Hi Alex, how is your research going?

Last summer you showed photos of your interesting, and complicated, parts for your device. It looked like a lot of work with many custom made parts.

What else needs to be done? Any update on fueling the electric generator set?

Cheers,
Mike
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This thread sure died,anyone surprised?
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i posted this originally in the water spark plug thread, but i think this could be interesting for you guys...

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thank you Aaron for the link on water ionization, one more info i would like to add to the discussion; it is a link which i would highly recommend you watch. The water properties created by this researcher made me think of your water spark plug, and fits perfectly for what you guys are looking for, i think

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YouTube - Top Secret Water - 2005 Documentary

starts at 9:53 min.

hope it is a nice add on to a plasma spark plug


let me know what you think...
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My Plasmatron:

Time to test it.

Mybe connect it between the PCV Valve and Intake Manifold..

Dave
Dave, did you ever test it?

Were you simply pulsing an ignition coil at high speed?
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Hi Alex, how is your research going?

Last summer you showed photos of your interesting, and complicated, parts for your device. It looked like a lot of work with many custom made parts.

What else needs to be done? Any update on fueling the electric generator set?

Cheers,
Mike
You want run an electric generator?

You need:

Air sucked from heated positive ionizer
1LPM of hho gas without filter water vapour (controlled by circuit)
plasma ignition (lower energy)
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Old 03-26-2013, 05:57 PM
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Since this thread is all about ionization and water fuel, this needs to be posted as a record of someone spreading disinformation about Meyer.

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Jon Abel's claims:


"Discussioners" are wondering why your members have such poor replication success rates. It's because the last two replications were killed by talks of Nitrogen technology that doesn't exist. "

"As for Aaron's advice, you will not find any "Nitrogen technology" by Stan Meyer online."

It looks like twice he had tried to kill discussion of Meyer's Hydrogen technology - by deflecting attention to Nitrogen gas - and then not elaborating on the technology. Aaron is full of crap - he is paid for the lies and abuse he spews. Argon gas was one of the non-combustible gases that Stan spoke of"

When Aaron offers suspect information about Nitrogen, ask him if he is willing to show the proof. If "No.", then that's lying. As far as I am concerned, Aaron has not read a sentence of Stan Meyer literature."

Why should I respect the things you have to say about an alleged Stan Meyer Nitrogen Machine? Nobody else can verify your claim, either."

It's funny how you guys make a big deal about adding ambient air."

"Besides nitrogen-oxides, I have not seen Nitrogen mention in Stan Meyer's documentation."

PROOF THAT JON ABLE IS MAKING FRAUDULENT CLAIMS ABOUT WHAT MEYER DID OR DID NOT SAY OR HAVE IN HIS PATENTS: Water Fuel Secrets
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Old 03-27-2013, 01:14 AM
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Aaron, your font isn't big enough yet for everybody to see it. Bigger. Make it much bigger. People won't know I'm a fraud unless you make it HUGE!

The proof of my fraudulent claims is your OWN BOOK? That YOU are selling? I cannot keep a straight face when you say those things.

Nature boy, you must realize the circular logic in that argument?

You are essentially saying to people, "Don't believe ME that Jon Abel is fraudulent, believe my book!" -

Which leads to, "Come buy my book, to prove Jon's a fraud."

Why are you trying to sabotage your own threads? That doesn't make sense.

Look at it this way - trying to convince you of your lack of knowledge and research is similar to arguing with a 7 year old.

So, yes, "Nature Boy" is perfect for you.
Stick with homeopathics. Then, you might be able to convince people.

Well, maybe....


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Since this thread is all about ionization and water fuel, this needs to be posted as a record of someone spreading disinformation about Meyer.

--------------------------------------------------------

Jon Abel's claims:


"Discussioners" are wondering why your members have such poor replication success rates. It's because the last two replications were killed by talks of Nitrogen technology that doesn't exist. "

"As for Aaron's advice, you will not find any "Nitrogen technology" by Stan Meyer online."

It looks like twice he had tried to kill discussion of Meyer's Hydrogen technology - by deflecting attention to Nitrogen gas - and then not elaborating on the technology. Aaron is full of crap - he is paid for the lies and abuse he spews. Argon gas was one of the non-combustible gases that Stan spoke of"

When Aaron offers suspect information about Nitrogen, ask him if he is willing to show the proof. If "No.", then that's lying. As far as I am concerned, Aaron has not read a sentence of Stan Meyer literature."

Why should I respect the things you have to say about an alleged Stan Meyer Nitrogen Machine? Nobody else can verify your claim, either."

It's funny how you guys make a big deal about adding ambient air."

"Besides nitrogen-oxides, I have not seen Nitrogen mention in Stan Meyer's documentation."

PROOF THAT JON ABLE IS MAKING FRAUDULENT CLAIMS ABOUT WHAT MEYER DID OR DID NOT SAY OR HAVE IN HIS PATENTS: Water Fuel Secrets
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Old 03-27-2013, 01:20 AM
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Water molecule behavior in an electric field.

Sounds like Aaron is having trouble with a number of researchers.

Here's a laymen's article, describing a journal paper on modelling water molecule's behavior in an electric field.

Physics - Water Molecules, Unite!

Enjoy people. I will continue to point others to some of the real scientific research that has been published.

Oh, here's my latest video. New water fuel technology. I had moisture in my flow-guage, but, it's been fixed. This is an induction cooktop - converting and transferring 2 frequencies to a Tesla pancake coil. This is very similar to Meyer's work.

1st GEGENE demonstration - making hydrogen. - YouTube

I got the idea from Naudin's site - The JLN Labs home page

Every time I point people to this stuff, however, Aaron calls me a fraud - and then points to his OWN BOOKS as proof that I am a fraud. As you can see above - he uses HUGE fonts to get his point across.

Nitrogen, indeed.
Stan talked about air-tight systems that didn't need ambient air in his videos.

Nitrogen mixed with Oxyhydrogen is going to create ammonia (NH3) and Nitrous Oxides (NOx). Liquid and gaseous pollutants.

Nitrogen is not needed. Water has the only 3 parts that are needed in an air-tight system.

1. Hydrogen - the burnable gas
2. Oxygen - the oxidizer
3. Water vapor or steam - the buffer

That's all you need.

Aaron is simply mad that I give away better information then the useless mis-information that he sells.

He isn't trying to be a scientist. He isn't doing research. He's simply selling books with "Secrets" in the title. Ooooo, secrets!

Folks, it's the internet. The days of secrets are over, unless Aaron is making up his own.

He has a degree in natural health - he doesn't appear to have much of a background in ANY of this tech.

Money motivations are the real drivers of fraud. How does giving it away make someone a fraud?

Legally, Aaron has many things to worry about. I don't sell anything, so, I can say that.

If the mentality of most of the people here is to "sell, sell, sell", then I have a book to sell, too - and a bridge. (just kidding)

Aaron needs to become a minister, not a quack. It appears he is posing as different users on his own forum, as well - to make it look like he has a backing.

Ugh, disgusting.

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Old 03-27-2013, 03:17 AM
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Sounds like Aaron is having trouble with a number of researchers.

Here's a laymen's article, describing a journal paper on modelling water molecule's behavior in an electric field.

Physics - Water Molecules, Unite!

Enjoy people. I will continue to point others to some of the real scientific research that has been published.

Oh, here's my latest video. New water fuel technology. I had moisture in my flow-guage, but, it's been fixed. This is an induction cooktop - converting and transferring 2 frequencies to a Tesla pancake coil. This is very similar to Meyer's work.

1st GEGENE demonstration - making hydrogen. - YouTube

I got the idea from Naudin's site - The JLN Labs home page

Every time I point people to this stuff, however, Aaron calls me a fraud - and then points to his OWN BOOKS as proof that I am a fraud. As you can see above - he uses HUGE fonts to get his point across.

Nitrogen, indeed.
Stan talked about air-tight systems that didn't need ambient air in his videos.

Nitrogen mixed with Oxyhydrogen is going to create ammonia (NH3) and Nitrous Oxides (NOx). Liquid and gaseous pollutants.

Nitrogen is not needed. Water has the only 3 parts that are needed in an air-tight system.

1. Hydrogen - the burnable gas
2. Oxygen - the oxidizer
3. Water vapor or steam - the buffer

That's all you need.

Aaron is simply mad that I give away better information then the useless mis-information that he sells.

He isn't trying to be a scientist. He isn't doing research. He's simply selling books with "Secrets" in the title. Ooooo, secrets!

Folks, it's the internet. The days of secrets are over, unless Aaron is making up his own.

He has a degree in natural health - he doesn't appear to have much of a background in ANY of this tech.

Money motivations are the real drivers of fraud. How does giving it away make someone a fraud?

Legally, Aaron has many things to worry about. I don't sell anything, so, I can say that.

If the mentality of most of the people here is to "sell, sell, sell", then I have a book to sell, too - and a bridge. (just kidding)

Aaron needs to become a minister, not a quack. It appears he is posing as different users on his own forum, as well - to make it look like he has a backing.

Ugh, disgusting.
You're only quoting the ammonia because we taught that to you and now you act as if you knew it. YOU ARE A JOKE.

Jon Abel's famous quotes:

"Discussioners" are wondering why your members have such poor replication success rates. It's because the last two replications were killed by talks of Nitrogen technology that doesn't exist. "

"As for Aaron's advice, you will not find any "Nitrogen technology" by Stan Meyer online."

It looks like twice he had tried to kill discussion of Meyer's Hydrogen technology - by deflecting attention to Nitrogen gas - and then not elaborating on the technology. Aaron is full of crap - he is paid for the lies and abuse he spews. Argon gas was one of the non-combustible gases that Stan spoke of"

When Aaron offers suspect information about Nitrogen, ask him if he is willing to show the proof. If "No.", then that's lying. As far as I am concerned, Aaron has not read a sentence of Stan Meyer literature."

Why should I respect the things you have to say about an alleged Stan Meyer Nitrogen Machine? Nobody else can verify your claim, either."

It's funny how you guys make a big deal about adding ambient air."

"Besides nitrogen-oxides, I have not seen Nitrogen mention in Stan Meyer's documentation."

"The proof of my fraudulent claims is your OWN BOOK?"

PROOF THAT JON ABLE IS MAKING FRAUDULENT CLAIMS ABOUT WHAT MEYER DID OR DID NOT SAY OR HAVE IN HIS PATENTS: Water Fuel Secrets

If you want to slander me (everything I say about you I have proven) - you're going to be dealing with attorneys who have less tolerance to your lies and bs than I do and finances are not an issue.
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:06 AM
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Why open-source wins.

Here you go, everybody.

This is a link to 1 webpage. It has downloads of every one of Stan's 51 patents.

Search out the word "Nitrogen" in these files, and you will see how truthful Aaron is.

Stan's Patents
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:22 AM
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The only thing you have taught me is how much of a meglo-maniac you are acting like. You are showing that the only way to affect people - is by writing whatever you want - and then slapping someone else's name on it to sell it.

Please, send in the attorneys. I wanna see this for myself.
That's the second threat you have made at me - dealing with giving away free information.

Keep it coming, Aaron.


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You're only quoting the ammonia because we taught that to you and now you act as if you knew it. YOU ARE A JOKE.

Jon Abel's famous quotes:

"Discussioners" are wondering why your members have such poor replication success rates. It's because the last two replications were killed by talks of Nitrogen technology that doesn't exist. "

"As for Aaron's advice, you will not find any "Nitrogen technology" by Stan Meyer online."

It looks like twice he had tried to kill discussion of Meyer's Hydrogen technology - by deflecting attention to Nitrogen gas - and then not elaborating on the technology. Aaron is full of crap - he is paid for the lies and abuse he spews. Argon gas was one of the non-combustible gases that Stan spoke of"

When Aaron offers suspect information about Nitrogen, ask him if he is willing to show the proof. If "No.", then that's lying. As far as I am concerned, Aaron has not read a sentence of Stan Meyer literature."

Why should I respect the things you have to say about an alleged Stan Meyer Nitrogen Machine? Nobody else can verify your claim, either."

It's funny how you guys make a big deal about adding ambient air."

"Besides nitrogen-oxides, I have not seen Nitrogen mention in Stan Meyer's documentation."

"The proof of my fraudulent claims is your OWN BOOK?"

PROOF THAT JON ABLE IS MAKING FRAUDULENT CLAIMS ABOUT WHAT MEYER DID OR DID NOT SAY OR HAVE IN HIS PATENTS: Water Fuel Secrets

If you want to slander me (everything I say about you I have proven) - you're going to be dealing with attorneys who have less tolerance to your lies and bs than I do and finances are not an issue.
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:10 PM
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Here you go, everybody.

This 1 webpage has downloads of Stan's 51 patents, news articles, and the Tech Brief. It looks like his brother's stuff is also there.

Search out the word "Nitrogen" in these files, and you will see how truthful Aaron is.

Stan's Patents
Jon Abel is a liar making fraudulent claims about Meyer. Those documents on that website spell out Nitrogen in quite a few places.

Here is one Meyer's patents that spell out exactly what I have said from the beginning and that Jon Abel denies. Anyone can search that patent number at Espacenet - Advanced search for example and pull this one up. There are MANY patents from Meyer where he spells out what I have said.

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Old 03-27-2013, 10:26 PM
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Hey, you found one, Nature Boy. Good for you.

I knew I could get you to finally look up the information - and share it for free.

When your credibility is on the line - that's what you have to do.
That why we started this exercise so long ago - just to prove that you can't always sell it.

Sometimes, you HAVE give it away - even if it's for your own good. My point about capitalism is proven.



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Jon Abel is a liar making fraudulent claims about Meyer. Those documents on that website spell out Nitrogen in quite a few places.

Here is one Meyer's patents that spell out exactly what I have said from the beginning and that Jon Abel denies. Anyone can search that patent number at Espacenet - Advanced search for example and pull this one up. There are MANY patents from Meyer where he spells out what I have said.

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Old 03-28-2013, 05:47 AM
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Hey, you found one, Nature Boy. Good for you.

I knew I could get you to finally look up the information - and share it for free.

When your credibility is on the line - that's what you have to do.
That why we started this exercise so long ago - just to prove that you can't always sell it.

Sometimes, you HAVE give it away - even if it's for your own good. My point about capitalism is proven.
You have been exposed as a fraud, period, and that is what hundreds of thousands of people around the world will clearly see.

You weren't trying to get me to post one for free so don't try to act like you were - you're fraudulent claims are exposed and you are stooping to the lowest levels to save face - anyone not brain dead or in a trance can see that. You had access to that same group of patents just like everyone else and you claimed from the BEGINNING that you read them all and there are no references to Nitrogen.

You're psychologically incapacitated and are suffering from some serious delusions - I already posted a bunch of free references in the water fuel secrets thread in Meyer's own words from the beginning and you still denied those! So trying to convince anyone that you actually wanted me to post something for free when I already did multiple times is a display of the low mental gutter that you are operating from.

And you're so blind to your own BS that you forget that in the ionization thread and others, I ALREADY posted many of these references including graphics from Meyer's patents that discuss NITROGEN - and this was years ago. I've been giving this out for free since before you probably ever heard about Meyer.

It is one thing to stand your ground but it is a whole other thing to prove to everyone how stupid you are and to what low levels you'll stoop to. Your logic is deficient of any common sense or critical thinking whatsoever. Basically, you accomplished several feats that include but are not limited to proving you are a pathological liar.

And the most obvious one that anyone with common sense can clearly see, and that you are completely oblivious to, is this simple fact that flushes your whole degenerate claim down the toilet about proving a point about capitalism - it is really simple... From the beginning of your so-called "replication" thread, you have denied that Meyer ever said anything about Nitrogen and this was all BEFORE I ever released the report Water Fuel Secrets.

So only a zombie would buy your BS that you're trying to prove some point about capitalism. All your denials and claims that Meyer never said anything about Nitrogen were PRIOR to me offering Water Fuel Secrets for sale and everybody knows that to be a fact - this is all public record and defeats your blatant, bogus, mentally degenerate claim to save face that you were trying to prove a point. You either suffer from short term memory loss or you really are a pathological liar, fraud and con.
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Hi Alex, how is your research going? ...Any update on fueling the electric generator set?

Cheers,
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@Tutanka: Any updates yet on your progress?
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@Tutanka: Any updates yet on your progress?
Surely some news.. the better is burn glycerine like an fuel..
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I agree that plasma is the way for the energy future but not hydrogen.. simply air and water.. as was the Meyer dream.. mixing old and new technology the reaction appear and remain stable in the time..

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Old 06-12-2013, 12:28 PM
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I agree that plasma is the way for the energy future but not hydrogen.. simply air and water.. as was the Meyer dream.. mixing old and new technology the reaction appear and remain stable in the time..
come procedono i tuoi progetti : il libro , la scheda con oscillatore a doppia frequenza , il brevetto , generatore al plasma? hai aggiornamenti
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Old 06-12-2013, 07:13 PM
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come procedono i tuoi progetti : il libro , la scheda con oscillatore a doppia frequenza , il brevetto , generatore al plasma? hai aggiornamenti
ciao
il libro in stampa cartacea.. il resto tutto fatto e funzionante
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Old 10-09-2013, 01:55 AM
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My plasma cell Design

Hi all, I want to share my last cell design.

The original intent was to copy Daniel Dingel, but there was so little information about it that I've put a lot of my ideas into it.

What I've built so far
See attached pictures.

-A 6" dia X 30 inch long stainless steel container that is 100% air and water tight. It has a rupture disk mounted.

-A pair of 316 stainless steel electrodes 1.25" and 1.125" x 14" long. Has 1/16" gap, to go inside the cell

-A toroidal coil with phi geometry imbeded. It has 8 ga aluminum multistrand wire (red), perpendicularly wound to a copper plated steel, multistrand wire, (black). It will serve as a flybacak transformer, to increase voltage and negate current. It has the possible effect of drawing free electrons into the system, I haven't tested it yet.

Other parts I bought:

- Heavy duty 80kv ignition coil
-80kv diode
-Rm Cybernetic ignition coil driver, pwm specially made to drive HV coils.
( still waiting for it)

Other parts I need:

12v audio amp
preamp ( mp3 player )


I'd like to connect the whole setup to a car when it is producing a significant volume of gas.

I've not decided yet the gas feeding mecanism to the engine, injector solenoid or venturi into the intake. It will all depend on if I can control the volume of gas produced via the input circuit. I will have to synchronize the amount of gas produced with the position of throttle.
The cell with be under vacuum when operating, and outside air will bubble through the HV part of the cell.

It may be run as a booster or primary fuel source.

I don't want to start a company, attract investors, or file a patent. I want to make a well documented working prototype and open source all the info.

There is still a lot of work to be done, I'm planning to get a crowd funding campain started.


I wanted to have feedback about this design. Especially on a way to prevent the HV to feed into/damage the low voltage-audio part. See attached drawings.

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Audio freq + HV+Air Flow.jpg

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