Energetic Forum  
Facebook Twitter Google+ Pinterest LinkedIn Delicious Digg Reddit WordPress StumbleUpon Tumblr Translate Addthis Aaron Murakami YouTube 2020 ENERGY CONFERENCE - PRE-REGISTER NOW!!!!

2020 Energy Science & Technology Conference
PRE-REGISTER NOW!!!
http://energyscienceconference.com


Go Back   Energetic Forum > > >
   

Water Fuel This forum is for discussion on any water fuel topic dealing with electrolysis, Stanley Meyer, hho, Brown's Gas, Puharich, etc...

* NEW * BEDINI RPX BOOK & DVD SET: BEDINI RPX

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
  #931  
Old 08-14-2009, 07:05 PM
quantumuppercut quantumuppercut is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by h20power View Post
I hope this helps everyone to understand how all of this works and how to engage in talks if you think something is wrong and/or missing. But please leave the belief systems at home, okay .
h2opower.
Everything exist in reality comes from belief. Belief does not directly bring out reality, but it go through a middle man call logic. If you go back 300 years ago and say that "with a touch of your feet, you can get 5 tons of weight moving at 60mph". That is rediculously absurd, but since people believe in it, they start put together tires, springs, engine, and make it possible. The hard work of logic and make it work is the middle man. People can claim anything they want and it is indeed possible, but are you going to put effort to bring it out to reality is another thing. Stanley Meyer doesn't make this invention from a pure belief though it is his guidance. He has logic in his head of how the whole thing works and he made it through hardwork. His math and logic might not be understood by others, but he did not get it based on luck . You have made the math clearly understood to yourself, it means that your chance of making it works has increased significantly and possibly make it works on the first few try, however, it is not easy for someone else to see exactly what you see. Remember, everything in this world can never be right... and can never be wrong.
__________________
 

Download SOLAR SECRETS by Peter Lindemann
Free - Get it now: Solar Secrets

  #932  
Old 08-14-2009, 08:10 PM
Oneminde's Avatar
Oneminde Oneminde is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 209
Albert Einstein ones said; "Everything is possible." What Tutanka have put forth is correct, a chemist supports he's "theory" we can call it a theory like the rest of this tread since nothing has been proven IRL yet. I have "attackt" Tutanka, but he have shown that he use he's brain and for that i am glad that he is here whit us.
H2opower - you did show me that the GP was important and still are so for that i want to thank you, but we also need to remember that we do not know everything about it and also that the GP can evolve like everything ells, it is important to not be blind and have a tunnel veiw...

So from Onemindes side - Tutanka, i am going to folow your new theory and put fort my understanding when i have something to add.

Another thing i whant to add here is that Tutanka was the only one that responded on my EM field explenation for the Capacitor (yes i know, it is not important h2opower).. but it does not matter for I know it is true and that works for me.

it is not alwasy about who is right and who is wrong or who did what, what is important is the function and the goal of our science. If someone feels that what they know is sufficiant, then that is okey to.

That was all Oneminde wanted to say today.

and everyone!
__________________
- Behold the truth -
  #933  
Old 08-14-2009, 09:05 PM
h20power h20power is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 661
Quote:
Originally Posted by quantumuppercut View Post
Everything exist in reality comes from belief. Belief does not directly bring out reality, but it go through a middle man call logic. If you go back 300 years ago and say that "with a touch of your feet, you can get 5 tons of weight moving at 60mph". That is rediculously absurd, but since people believe in it, they start put together tires, springs, engine, and make it possible. The hard work of logic and make it work is the middle man. People can claim anything they want and it is indeed possible, but are you going to put effort to bring it out to reality is another thing. Stanley Meyer doesn't make this invention from a pure belief though it is his guidance. He has logic in his head of how the whole thing works and he made it through hardwork. His math and logic might not be understood by others, but he did not get it based on luck . You have made the math clearly understood to yourself, it means that your chance of making it works has increased significantly and possibly make it works on the first few try, however, it is not easy for someone else to see exactly what you see. Remember, everything in this world can never be right... and can never be wrong.
I don't agree with that for one minute, American Indians observed the animals around them to know what was safe to eat. Everything around you is due to someone observations, they try a new drug by giving it to you and observing what happens. You seemed to not understand the differance of a belief system and a system of obervations and predictions by way of trial an error and the theories that suround them. In the quoted page if you read it they give this example of how a belief messes everything up.
Quote:
Needham's Science and Civilization in China uses the 'flying horse' image as an example of observation: in it, a horse's legs are depicted as splayed, when the stop-action picture by Eadweard Muybridge shows otherwise. Note that at the moment that no hoof is touching the ground, the horse's legs are gathered together and are not splayed, but for when a horse is jumping. Earlier paintings depict the incorrect flying horse observation.

This demonstrates Ludwik Fleck's caution that people observe what they expect to observe, until shown otherwise; our beliefs will affect our observations (and therefore our subsequent actions). The purpose of the scientific method is to test a hypothesis, a proposed explanation about how things are, via repeatable experimental observations which can contradict the hypothesis so as to fight this observer bias.
You have to look at it to tell what they are talking about with the horse's legs. I have been attacked just like Galileo I am saying that the world is not flat, which is something that is wrong to think that the world is flat, and that the world is in the center of the solar system. Those are things that are wrong for the world is the third planet in our solar system and the world is indeed not flat but round. But the belief system held at the time put a man under house arrest for the rest of his life. People die much more over beliefs than they do over observations. When people observed people from other walks of life they found that they where not evil as the beliefs of the time said they where. The failur to look, listen, and learn has caused the deaths of many people, example Iraq. Over one million people dead, and now it is clear that explosives where planted in all three towers that fell that day. But right now beliefs seem to be spliting the nation in two, between those that belive the lie, and those that belive science and CSI evidence.

It's the same with the use of water as a fuel source, it is widely belived that it can not be used as a fuel source. So with that belief in hand they go forth and stamp out anyone saying anything differently. They also will not observe the true nature of water for they feel or belive they already know everything they need to know already and nothing new will come from looking at it again. I myself have been attacked by people that belive the Water Fuel Capacitor is all you need, and that there is magic in the VIC transformer, as well as the scientific community with all of there income/funding coming from the energy supplyers of the world. I have had to endure two groups of attackers ever since I started this line of thought. I understand the value of science so I pressed on and set out to make a mathmatical model that shows where the energy content comes from. I ran bucks of expirements on just about everything dealing with Stanley Meyer's work aswell as some on others, like Bob Boyce, Daniel Dingel, and more. I built the VIC transformer long before the bobbins of Stanley Meyer's VIC came out for everyone to view. I already new how they worked and how to build them when people where just starting out on it. The last things I learned on Stanley Meyer's technology was the importance of the electron extraction circuit and the way the water fuel injectors truly worked.

Right now I am looking over what tutanka put out but can't find a mathmatical model to represent it as of yet. I do know that we have to keep the temps down so we don't create NO's and it seems that to make use of his theories the temps would have around 1300 degrees or more. But at those temps NO's would be created and that and N2O's are green house gases. Stanley Meyer talks about yet another gas processor on the exhuast side of the system that breaks down the NO's, N2O's and the like. So Meyer was concered with the creation of NO's, but solved the problem with another type of Gas Processor. So, even though I now refuse to talk to him I will look at what he has to say. And if he is to have his theories looked over by others he will have to make a mathmatical model that supports his theories, just like I did. Give worste case possibilities as well as best case possibilities, and the temps the said reactions can take place in. That is the right way to go about it, followed by test data, and repetability.


h2opower.
__________________
 
  #934  
Old 08-14-2009, 09:38 PM
Oneminde's Avatar
Oneminde Oneminde is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 209
Quote:
even though I now refuse to talk to him I will look at what he has to say
h2opower, what are you smoking?
How can you refuse to talk to him if you want to study what he have put forth?
__________________
- Behold the truth -
  #935  
Old 08-14-2009, 10:21 PM
h20power h20power is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 661
This is my mathmatical hypotheses as to what is going on in the water for fuel technology put forth by Stanley Meyer's.

(Processed air gases focausing on oxygen) O2 + H2O(atomized)→ 2 H + O + O(highly reactive oxygen from the GP & EEC missing electrons) → H2O

The math that goes with it at the 4th energy level:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 7469.2 kJ/mol are formed yielding 8341.2 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction (4 H-O 459 kJ/mol bonds are broken taking 1836 kJ/mol) now is 8341.2-1836 = +6505.2 kJ/mol

Quote:
Non-sequential ionization

When the fact that the electric field of light is an alternating electric field is combined with tunnel ionization, the phenomenon of non-sequential ionization emerges. An electron that tunnels out from an atom or molecule may be sent right back in by the alternating field, at which point it can either recombine with the atom or molecule and release any excess energy, or it also has the chance to further ionize the atom or molecule through high energy collisions. This additional ionization is referred to as non-sequential ionization for two reasons: one, there is no order to how the second electron is removed, and two, an atom or molecule with a +2 charge can be created straight from an atom or molecule with a neutral charge, so the integer charges are not sequential. Non-sequential ionization is often studied at lower laser-field intensities, since most ionization events are sequential when the ionization rate is high.
This reaction is exothermic, the reaction with N2 would be endothermic but I leave that for tutanka to show. For most new hypotheses have room for improvement and though I am close to testing this on a cars engine I still need to build a few things and the funding is coming from my own pocket so it takes time to get things done. As for why I will nolonger talk to him it's personal, and should serve as a clear example to anyone that truly gets on my bad side. Now if anyone feels there is need for improovement by all means fire away, but do so in a way I and others can understand the scientific method.


h2opower.
__________________
 
  #936  
Old 08-15-2009, 11:02 PM
h20power h20power is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 661
VIC transformer just about done:




Now moving forwards with the all the rest I have to get done.


h2opower.
__________________
 
  #937  
Old 08-16-2009, 09:03 AM
tutanka's Avatar
tutanka tutanka is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,079
HI H2opower,
I remember to all that into GP reacts N2 and O2 not hydrogen. In this way laser injection and HV field injection can start some reactions inside GP but not only O2 molecule but also on N2 molecule. If the process is mistaken you can obtain bad gasin output as NO and NO2. Is very important understand stechiometric relationship from N2 (78%) and O2 (16%).. this means also that if you need an large amount of oxygen you need pressure into GP. Isvey important know he complete reactions inside GP.. isn't sufficient copy an design and add Led's or an Hv field. Reactions inside GP can be very dangerous for your life for it I suggest you to control GP with an gas analyzer in close ambient. Regards
__________________
 
  #938  
Old 08-16-2009, 01:01 PM
tutanka's Avatar
tutanka tutanka is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,079
GP is in fact is an oxidant generator synthesizes oxidants from earths atmosphere, which consists of 78% Nitrogen, 20% Oxygen, and other trace gases.
As I have esposed, and now I'm sure, the thermal explosive energy is reached simple with Nitrous Oxide and Ozone molecules. Into Meyer Gas Processor are present two fields, HV and Photon field. I have read some papers and analized all infomations, I think there are some mistaken about that.
I think Meyer GP work with EM field and UV field.
But... for obtain functional oxidant generator for engine you need an large flux of gas inside and this is proportional to energy added into GP because preparation of Nitrous Oxide (N2O) and ozone (O3) depend from pressure of earths atmosphere for obtain an large flow of N2O and O3. In this way for obtain more reactans need more energy for accelrate flux to inject inside engine. For it I'm building new Gas Processor that use magnetron and UV fields. In this way I obtain N2O and O3 but in large amount. Regards
__________________
 
  #939  
Old 08-16-2009, 06:07 PM
h20power h20power is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 661
Quote:
Originally Posted by h20power View Post
This is my mathmatical hypotheses as to what is going on in the water for fuel technology put forth by Stanley Meyer's.

(Processed air gases focausing on oxygen) O2 + H2O(atomized)→ 2 H + O + O(highly reactive oxygen from the GP & EEC missing electrons) → H2O

The math that goes with it at the 4th energy level:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 7469.2 kJ/mol are formed yielding 8341.2 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction (4 H-O 459 kJ/mol bonds are broken taking 1836 kJ/mol) now is 8341.2-1836 = +6505.2 kJ/mol



This reaction is exothermic, the reaction with N2 would be endothermic but I leave that for tutanka to show. For most new hypotheses have room for improvement and though I am close to testing this on a cars engine I still need to build a few things and the funding is coming from my own pocket so it takes time to get things done. As for why I will nolonger talk to him it's personal, and should serve as a clear example to anyone that truly gets on my bad side. Now if anyone feels there is need for improovement by all means fire away, but do so in a way I and others can understand the scientific method.


h2opower.
I'll will be using this hypotheses for it shows enough energy content to run a cars engine. All of my testing revoles around this mathmatical model, why? it's something you can sink your teeth into and water is needed just like Stanely Meyer's. I too need the hydrogen though for the most part as an energy carrier, but without water nothing will work. I have a plan and I am sticking to it. I am following the scientific method as we all should be anyone that doesn't can not be followed and/or trusted. My hypotheses revolves around the use of water as a source of fuel, same as Stanely Meyer's patents for it is following his patents. If your going to say Nitrogen and Oxygen is a source of fuel you need to make a new thread and explain away. This thread is for the use of water as a source of fuel following the steps of Stanley Meyer's, not Nitrogen. Can someone out there back me up or am I way off base?

Energy independence is where I am headed and I gave a working mathmatical model for all test to be conducted in that aim. If anyone is to add or subtract from the hypotheses let them do so with another mathmatical model to replace this one and that model best have the use of water as the fuel source, if not it is not following the works of Stanley Meyers. I rest my case.


h2opower.
__________________
 
  #940  
Old 08-16-2009, 09:59 PM
bussi04 bussi04 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 223
Quote:
Originally Posted by tutanka View Post
GP is in fact is an oxidant generator synthesizes oxidants from earths atmosphere, which consists of 78% Nitrogen, 20% Oxygen, and other trace gases.
As I have esposed, and now I'm sure, the thermal explosive energy is reached simple with Nitrous Oxide and Ozone molecules. Into Meyer Gas Processor are present two fields, HV and Photon field. I have read some papers and analized all infomations, I think there are some mistaken about that.
I think Meyer GP work with EM field and UV field.
But... for obtain functional oxidant generator for engine you need an large flux of gas inside and this is proportional to energy added into GP because preparation of Nitrous Oxide (N2O) and ozone (O3) depend from pressure of earths atmosphere for obtain an large flow of N2O and O3. In this way for obtain more reactans need more energy for accelrate flux to inject inside engine. For it I'm building new Gas Processor that use magnetron and UV fields. In this way I obtain N2O and O3 but in large amount. Regards
Hi tutanka,
I have been studying h20power´s thread for 3 weeks now.
from my point of view h20power has set up a very well structured thread targeting to explain how that amount of energy is set free in stan meyers applications. Running applications will come!

In the meantime others have made some "spin off threads" according VIC, GP, EEC. that was ok!

This way of working helps this community and me to keep straight in structure as described in h20power´s very first post in his thread.

Your posts, your thoughts and your applications are very much different and not in line with this thread. your way of exploring your themes seems to be much different from his.

focus in this thread has stepped forward from theory at the beginning to practical issues at now. theory has mainly been done by h20power and now tests are necessary for proof!

I really can´t understand why you don´t catch the chance to open a thread by your own with your focus, your milestones and your rules. Others did!

Sorry, your posts don´t help me to get a deep understanding of the SM technology. Following your posts i would get out of structure according to SM technology research. I won´t!

tutunka, please stay in structure and make your own thead. In this thread I will go to ignore your posts. your own thread I will be interested to read.

h20power:
great work, thanks for all.
keep on running!

my thoughts:
building SM applications needs lots of technological knowledge and some equipment:
maths, physics
electronics (HV, microcontroller, sensors, interfaces, meters, oscilloscope)
design (CAD) for the housings
mechanics (coil winders, tools, ICE knowledge, CAM)
providers know how
test management (test result comparision)
and others

lot of stuff for a single person.

what about setting up local workgroups for brainstorming, know how and workload sharing?

I want to build a SM application modular usable for demonstration purposes, furnace and power generator 5 KW (1 cylinder maybe diesel).

greetings,
bussi04
__________________
 
  #941  
Old 08-16-2009, 11:27 PM
Oneminde's Avatar
Oneminde Oneminde is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 209
Welcome bussi04

There is truth to you responce and good points from a newcomer, new inputs is always good. And yes, this is not a small project.

As an exempel, i put forth ideas about using UV-C in the GP and that is on the edge of what this tread can swallow, but since it is in line of ionization it is okey. What Tutanka is puthing forth is new ideas and new concepts for the gas that is beeng used - i am not saing that it is wrong or out of order, i am very interested in following that line of thinking, after all the air is made up of 78% N2 and only 16% O2 so.. therefor, he have a point.

It is in Tutankas interest to make he's own tread or advance this one, i am not the person to dictate if he should or should not move over to a new tread whit he's info, no matter what, i am interested in such information so the knowledge is welcome.

And whit that i post an interesting article on wiki - self ionization of water, can be interesting to read.. maybe -information that is usible... maybe
Self-ionization of water - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
__________________
- Behold the truth -
  #942  
Old 08-16-2009, 11:44 PM
h20power h20power is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 661
Thanks bussi04,

Now if your intending to convert a diesel engine this video can help a lot: YouTube - Water Manipulation Motor - the details (2 of 2)

Now how it works is by the rapid compression of air reaching a tempreture of 500 degrees C the autoignition point of hydrogen. You will have to fully remake some injectors for most diesel injectors will not flow water in them without burning up, but you might find some that will work as in the CIS systems. Then adding SM technology to the mix being controled by the pressure/RPM sensors for the VIC controler for the injectors and the gas processor VIC controler. The injectors will have to have a voltage zone of .25-1.0 inches, the center electron should be negetive and coated with glass so the water still picks up an strong impage charge to the point of breaking down the water molecule and exhaust gases should also feed through the injectors to push out the water mist through the injectors (but might not be needed futher testings will only tell).

I have been a mechanic for over 20 years, I have an oscilloscope, high voltage meters, lathes, and other needed machinery, AutoCAD 2007 for prototyping, and a good math, physic, and chemistry background as well as Architecture, drafting, and strength in materials knowledge.

So, if your going for a diesel engine I will help if I can, and hope I have already helped in some way.


h2opower.
__________________
 
  #943  
Old 08-17-2009, 08:45 PM
tutanka's Avatar
tutanka tutanka is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,079
One design is better than some words.. This is my right scenario
Attached Images
File Type: jpg DIAGRAMMA_FINALE2.jpg (18.2 KB, 247 views)
__________________
 

Last edited by tutanka; 08-17-2009 at 08:48 PM.
  #944  
Old 08-17-2009, 09:38 PM
Joit Joit is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,993
Quote:
Originally Posted by tutanka View Post
One design is better than some words.. This is my right scenario
Good enough for your own Thread.
Or are you scared about doing all the Maths and sproading to much Infos about it? Instead bringing confusion in here.
I am still not really at the Hho Stuff, but i am still waiting for the Results from h2Opower,
till he did replicate it close as it is possible, i still know few more Peoples,
what try to allready build it, but dont have the necessary Infos.
And all what i can read from you and few others is only messing this Thread here.

When your method is even only a little different from Stanley Meyer,
then it doesnt belong into this Thread here, and need a own Thread.
__________________
Theorizer are like High Voltage. A lot hot Air with no Power behind but they are the dead of applied Work and Ideas.
  #945  
Old 08-17-2009, 10:29 PM
sebosfato sebosfato is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: milan
Posts: 778
Hello guys i'm here just to invite you to really understand what stanley meyer was all about I created my own thread peace
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...eyer-true.html
__________________
 
  #946  
Old 08-17-2009, 10:39 PM
h20power h20power is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 661
How N2O is made:
Quote:
From here: Nitrous oxide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Manufacture
Nitrous oxide is most commonly prepared by careful heating of ammonium nitrate, which decomposes into nitrous oxide and water vapor.[2] The addition of various phosphates favors formation of a purer gas at slightly lower temperatures. One of the earliest commercial producers was George Poe in Trenton, New Jersey.[3]

NH4NO3 (s) → 2 H2O (g) + N2O (g)
This reaction occurs between 170 - 240°C, temperatures where ammonium nitrate is a moderately sensitive explosive and a very powerful oxidizer. Above 240 °C the exothermic reaction may accelerate to the point of detonation, so the mixture must be cooled to avoid such a disaster. Superheated steam is used to reach reaction temperature in some turnkey production plants.[4]

Downstream, the hot, corrosive mixture of gases must be cooled to condense the steam, and filtered to remove higher oxides of nitrogen. Ammonium nitrate smoke, as an extremely persistent colloid, will also have to be removed. The cleanup is often done in a train of 3 gas washes; namely base, acid and base again. Any significant amounts of nitric oxide (NO) may not necessarily be absorbed directly by the base (sodium hydroxide) washes.

The nitric oxide impurity is sometimes chelated out with ferrous sulfate, reduced with iron metal, or oxidised and absorbed in base as a higher oxide. The first base wash may (or may not) react out much of the ammonium nitrate smoke, however this reaction generates ammonia gas, which may have to be absorbed in the acid wash.


[edit] Other routes
The direct oxidation of ammonia may someday rival the ammonium nitrate pyrolysis synthesis of nitrous oxide mentioned above. This capital-intensive process, which originates in Japan, uses a manganese dioxide-bismuth oxide catalyst:[5]

2 NH3 + 2 O2 → N2O + 3 H2O
Higher oxides of nitrogen are formed as impurities. In comparison, uncatalyzed ammonia oxidation (i.e. combustion or explosion) goes primarily to N2 and H2O.

Nitrous oxide can be made by heating a solution of sulfamic acid and nitric acid. Many gases are made this way in Bulgaria.[citation needed][6]

HNO3 + NH2SO3H → N2O + H2SO4 + H2O
There is no explosive hazard in this reaction if the mixing rate is controlled. However, as usual, toxic higher oxides of nitrogen form.

Nitrous oxide is produced in large volumes as a by-product in the synthesis of adipic acid; one of the two reactants used in nylon manufacture.[7][8] This might become a major commercial source, but will require the removal of higher oxides of nitrogen and organic impurities. Currently much of the gas is decomposed before release for environmental protection. Greener processes may prevail that substitute hydrogen peroxide for nitric acid oxidation; hence no generation of oxide of nitrogen by-products.

Hydroxylammonium chloride can react with sodium nitrite to produce N2O as well:

NH3OH+Cl− + NaNO2 → N2O + NaCl + 2 H2O
If the nitrite is added to the hydroxylamine solution, the only remaining byproduct is salt water. However, if the hydroxylamine solution is added to the nitrite solution (nitrite is in excess), then toxic higher oxides of nitrogen are also formed.
So if what was said is true then there is a whole new way to make N2O and nobel prize should be given right away. Science shows that the two atoms don't come together like that, what will be formed first is NO at around 750-950 degrees C then that can break down into N2O. But if you get the temps up the high it will be 250 C past hydrogens flash point and any hydrogen in the system will pop off no waiting for any controled spark from any source.

My main point is Nitrogen and Oxygen don't seem to come together in this fassion but Hydrogen and Oxygen does. But if it does then come together like this a full peir review paper should be made of the reaction so other scientist can duplicate the reaction. On one hand you have a hydrogen + oxygen reaction and the other you have nitrogen + oxygen reaction and as far as I can tell the later can't combine like that. The hydrogen reaction one of the oxygen atoms has been striped of electrons and is highly reactive far more so than the O2 floating around in the system.

In an internal combustion engine you don't want any hot spots when hydrogen is present for anything over 500 degrees C will make hydrogen flash at the point of the hot spot. If your running a diesel then you need to directly inject the hydrogen into the combustion chamber and the rapid compression will reach hydrogens flash point during compression, but it has to also be kept down from hydrogens flash point. If any spot in the intake system reaches hydrogens flashpoint it will set off the reaction so great care must be made to keep the intake system below hydrogens flash point.



h2opower.
__________________
 

Last edited by h20power; 02-24-2010 at 07:29 AM.
  #947  
Old 08-18-2009, 02:36 AM
tutanka's Avatar
tutanka tutanka is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,079
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joit View Post
Good enough for your own Thread.
Or are you scared about doing all the Maths and sproading to much Infos about it? Instead bringing confusion in here.
I am still not really at the Hho Stuff, but i am still waiting for the Results from h2Opower,
till he did replicate it close as it is possible, i still know few more Peoples,
what try to allready build it, but dont have the necessary Infos.
And all what i can read from you and few others is only messing this Thread here.

When your method is even only a little different from Stanley Meyer,
then it doesnt belong into this Thread here, and need a own Thread.
HI,
I repeat me..I don't want start confusion here.. I want only to put your attention on right reactions inside on GP because in ambient air sn't present only oxygen, in this way other molecules like Nitrogen partecipate actively to process of transformation present on Gas Processor. Thanks
__________________
 
  #948  
Old 08-18-2009, 02:46 AM
Joit Joit is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,993
Quote:
Originally Posted by tutanka View Post
HI,
I repeat me..I don't want start confusion here.. I want only to put your attention on right reactions inside on GP because in ambient air sn't present only oxygen, in this way other molecules like Nitrogen partecipate actively to process of transformation present on Gas Processor. Thanks
You only want ? Right Reactions inside the GP ?
See, h2opower does it, like Stan Meyer did, and not, like You want.
So, No Thanks. Sir
__________________
Theorizer are like High Voltage. A lot hot Air with no Power behind but they are the dead of applied Work and Ideas.
  #949  
Old 08-18-2009, 02:53 AM
tutanka's Avatar
tutanka tutanka is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,079
Quote:
Originally Posted by h20power View Post
How N2O is made:

My main point is Nitrogen and Oxygen don't seem to come together in this fassion but Hydrogen and Oxygen does. But if it does then come together like this a full peir review paper should be made of the reaction so other scientist can duplicate the reaction. On one hand you have a hydrogen + oxygen reaction and the other you have nitrogen + oxygen reaction and as far as I can tell the later can't combine like that. The hydrogen reaction one of the oxygen atoms has been striped of electrons and is highly reactive far more so than the O2 floating around in the system.


h2opower.
On ambient air are present N2 and O2, not atomic oxygen, in this way when GP run O2 is transformed in O+O but this atoms are very reactive and they recombined with O2 molecule creating O3. For this my hypothesis is that Meyer with Gas Processor it wanted generate from ambient air N2O and also O3, higly reactive molecule of oxygen. If you use HV and laser light inside GP you generate O3 but also NO, NO2 and as you know these two gas are very toxic for life. N2O can be produced also with microwaves and laser light focalization, with this method any NO,NO2 are produced, if I do not mistake all these components, EM and laser, are presents on GP.
__________________
 

Last edited by tutanka; 08-18-2009 at 03:04 AM.
  #950  
Old 08-18-2009, 03:09 AM
Joit Joit is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,993
Quote:
Originally Posted by tutanka View Post
On ambient air are present N2 and O2, not atomic oxygen, in this way when GP run O2 is transformed in O+O but this atoms are very reactive and they recombined with O2 molecule creating O3. For this my hypothesis is that Meyer with Gas Processor it wanted generate from ambient air N2O and also O3, higly reactive molecule of oxygen. If you use HV and laser light inside GP you generate O3 but also NO, NO2 and as you know these two gas are very toxic for life. N2O can be produced also with microwaves and laser light focalization, with this method any NO,NO2 are produced, if I do not mistake all these components, EM and laser, are presents on GP.
Why dont you just make a new Thread, Stanley Meyer explained - I know it better. ??
And dont forget to put all the Math in then.
__________________
Theorizer are like High Voltage. A lot hot Air with no Power behind but they are the dead of applied Work and Ideas.
  #951  
Old 08-18-2009, 03:10 AM
tutanka's Avatar
tutanka tutanka is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,079
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joit View Post
You only want ? Right Reactions inside the GP ?
See, h2opower does it, like Stan Meyer did, and not, like You want.
So, No Thanks. Sir
The right reactions as you call don't mentioned Nitrogen that I remember to you is present on 78% on earth. You live on Earth on Mars? In this way you accept all that h2opower written without think if is right? I don't live on Mars but on Earth, in this way first to accept any new idea I think if can be right or not.
__________________
 
  #952  
Old 08-18-2009, 04:43 AM
Joit Joit is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,993
Quote:
Originally Posted by tutanka View Post
The right reactions as you call don't mentioned Nitrogen that I remember to you is present on 78% on earth. You live on Earth on Mars? In this way you accept all that h2opower written without think if is right? I don't live on Mars but on Earth, in this way first to accept any new idea I think if can be right or not.
I do fully trust h2opower in what he do, he do it in a carefully Way.
But all i can see from you is to disrupt him, that he can finish his Work,
which is, to rebuild Stan Meyers Work, and not a lot of couple Ideas,
just because someone like you think, something need to improved, what worked once.
It is for sure better, you do your own work, as to disrupt others all the Time
with your 'good Ideas' to improve something, what do not need improvements.
The usual Way, in case, you dont know is, first build it proper, and then look for Improvements.

Edit And dont ask me, where i do live, sometimes i think i live at the ...Backside from the Earth,
because i meet so much ...... Backside Persons...
__________________
Theorizer are like High Voltage. A lot hot Air with no Power behind but they are the dead of applied Work and Ideas.

Last edited by Joit; 08-18-2009 at 04:46 AM.
  #953  
Old 08-18-2009, 05:36 AM
sebosfato sebosfato is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: milan
Posts: 778
Guys i would recommend you to read my thread instead of discuss if, who, or to think someone here is giving you here any usable information on how to built a working prototype the idea o get it to it's 4th stage is what meyer talked about and showed in his drawings h20 can also say that he discovered it and showed his calculations but actually i have posted this on over unity prior to the existence of this thread (i discovered it investigating meyer drawings with the smile electrons and when i saw in wikipedia the ionization potential of oxygen i made many calculations and found that, big deal) but i don't care is not a problem for me as i didn't invented this and as h2O arrived to it by himself too i told tutanka this in a phone call. What tutanka is saying is not bull**** anyway he is researching this and he has access to many facilities and this is very good. You should not fight guys, or say ohh my idea or him idea is better is all about how to get it to its 4th stage without using kwatts of power to do this or do it economic. I found the way it works, using resonance as meyer said but didn't showed and didn't explained. I'm going to help you understand what resonance really is and how it works for true in a practical circuit if you want. As i have tried to show my ideas here and got the request to create my own thread i did it but it will work the way i want it to work as I spent too many time on studying this and much money too and don't have more time to lose, i ask for contributions to my project you will see on my thread. Ask me the right questions we have no time to lose.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...e.html:beamup:



Internet Archive: Free Download: The chemistry and manufacture of hydrogen
__________________
 

Last edited by sebosfato; 08-18-2009 at 07:04 AM.
  #954  
Old 08-18-2009, 07:58 AM
boguslaw's Avatar
boguslaw boguslaw is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 2,494
Right.We all need first a clear procedure to replicate WFC results.
How about a little small Meyer cell powered by 9V battery clearly showing highly enlarged gas output ?

That would be a starting point IMHO
Meyer transformer bobbins look great but we need simplicity first!

Let's look how Tariel Kapanadze proved OU - he run his circuit in close loop starting from 9V battery.Nothing can beat it..

In the end it's all Tesla knowledge
__________________
 
  #955  
Old 08-18-2009, 08:00 AM
h20power h20power is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 661
I think Arthur C Clark put this best when he said we are going through the four stages of any revolutionary ideas:
1. It's non sense don't waste my time.
2. It's interesting but not important.
3. I always said it was a good idea.
4. I thought of it first.
Free Energy

The mathmatical model I am following shows if I build it and follow all the rules it will work. To say you thought of this before me and yet was totally selfish and kept it all to yourself is a crime against humanity. I can run countless searches and come up totally empty looking for a mier mention of Stanley Meyer's Gas Processor let along anyone attempting to build the device. So to say you knew it before me only has a few answers as to what kind of person you are. One, selfish and perhaps greedy, or two, a liar. What every shoe fits wear it well.

I can see the bigger picture, have seen it just about all of my life. When I found where the true power was comeing from the only thing that held me back from putting it on the net was both of my computers went out on me at the same time. As soon as I got one back working again I posted what I found out to the best of my understanding of it. But I new then I had to bring science into the game or it was all in vein. So, I sat down and did the math and posted that too. Unlike many I have always dreamed of using water as a fuel source since a young boy, I ran electrolysis expirements when I was only 5-6 years old. I have always been a dreamer, growing up very poor seems to have that effect on people.

The only way anyone is going to see this technology is for it to be given away. I for one can see this but sadly many around me can not. So in this thread I went over just about every part of Stanley Meyer's water for fuel technology as best as I can understand it. I didn't ask for anything except to be remembered. I guess that's a part of my Marine corps training teaching us to have pride in our stride. I also kept everything as close as posible to the scientific method of doing things so that others could follow if they wanted too. Even took the time to write a summary of Stanley Meyer's work and shared it freely with everyone. I wonder though if in doing all of this this falls under the rule something given has no value? But I didnt' give everything away but set some rules and made and engineering/builders challange of sorts.

All in all I am doing all of this for it is the right thing to do for humanity and to make the world a better place for my children. The mathmatical theory I posted is science and shows energy content that coensides with Stanley Meyer's patents talking about the 4th energy level or more. The only thing I am guilty of is sharing and wanting to be remembered for doing so just incase I didn't make it to the finish line with everyone. The simple act of sharing is very hard for a lot of people to do these days, always wanting something for their work and time spent on the various projects they would be doing. I ask for nothing, and belive me I am very poor, but I know this technology can free me from the form of enslavement I find myself in today. Many a time has went by if I didn't catch something to eat the family goes hungry for that day. I have had to live in my car, been to places to get something to eat. I know what it means to have no place to call home.

Maybe that is why I want the poorest of the poor to have this, for this technology means true freedom and can improove the lives of many around the world. But that too has always been my dream a dream of making a differance in this world. My mother would always say that to me when I was growing up, that I was going to do something to change the world. Somehow she knew just by looking at me when I was just a baby. All I know is I have a sort-of drive in me to do the right thing, and right now that drive is to finish up my work on the water for fuel technology. But as life always is time and money are always short, so I have patients and wait out the storms of life. In any event I feel I have given all of you reading my little thread the same opportunities I have in getting this water for fuel technology up and running so you to can be free of the energy enslavement we all find ourselves in today. I still have much work that needs to be done in fabucating parts and testing, but I have faith I will get to the end and be successful. Same faith I have in all of you with your work for each an everyone of you can do this too.


h2opower.
__________________
 
  #956  
Old 08-18-2009, 08:57 AM
sebosfato sebosfato is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: milan
Posts: 778
Quote:
Originally Posted by h20power View Post
I think Arthur C Clark put this best when he said we are going through the four stages of any revolutionary ideas:
1. It's non sense don't waste my time.
2. It's interesting but not important.
3. I always said it was a good idea.
4. I thought of it first.
Free Energy

The mathmatical model I am following shows if I build it and follow all the rules it will work. To say you thought of this before me and yet was totally selfish and kept it all to yourself is a crime against humanity. I can run countless searches and come up totally empty looking for a mier mention of Stanley Meyer's Gas Processor let along anyone attempting to build the device. So to say you knew it before me only has a few answers as to what kind of person you are. One, selfish and perhaps greedy, or two, a liar. What every shoe fits wear it well.



h2opower.
You are calling me a lier and or selfish i don't accept that, I'm sorry if you felt attacked but if you google it you will find that I talked about this on over unite (I said if you extract 4 electrons per atom of oxygen from 1 liter of water you got x amps or something like that and that the resulting gas would be highly more reactive) as soon as I knew it because I wanted to ask if anyone have found this too. I didn't know yet how to make it economically because as with electrolysis you need maNY kWh of power to do that. Anyway H2o I'm not here to challenge you is not even necessary what I said about the resonance now is proved. And have to do with meyer technology 100% he did said to you he was using 40kv at 1 ma and didn't said he had 20 to 40 amps 20 to 40kv recirculating on the other side of the circuit or he was going to give you all is technology for free if you find the patents of stephen horvath you can understand why resonance is used clearly. You are not guilt to don't say this to people if you just didn't know it as I didn't know too how to do it few months ago. Don't take it personal is not much scientific.
Tesla primary tank circuit thats what its all about.
see you on my thread don't worry be happy
__________________
 
  #957  
Old 08-18-2009, 10:02 AM
tutanka's Avatar
tutanka tutanka is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,079
Quote:
Originally Posted by h20power View Post
I think Arthur C Clark put this best when he said we are going through the four stages of any revolutionary ideas:
1. It's non sense don't waste my time.
2. It's interesting but not important.
3. I always said it was a good idea.
4. I thought of it first.
Free Energy

The mathmatical model I am following shows if I build it and follow all the rules it will work. To say you thought of this before me and yet was totally selfish and kept it all to yourself is a crime against humanity. I can run countless searches and come up totally empty looking for a mier mention of Stanley Meyer's Gas Processor let along anyone attempting to build the device. So to say you knew it before me only has a few answers as to what kind of person you are. One, selfish and perhaps greedy, or two, a liar. What every shoe fits wear it well.

I can see the bigger picture, have seen it just about all of my life. When I found where the true power was comeing from the only thing that held me back from putting it on the net was both of my computers went out on me at the same time. As soon as I got one back working again I posted what I found out to the best of my understanding of it. But I new then I had to bring science into the game or it was all in vein. So, I sat down and did the math and posted that too. Unlike many I have always dreamed of using water as a fuel source since a young boy, I ran electrolysis expirements when I was only 5-6 years old. I have always been a dreamer, growing up very poor seems to have that effect on people.

The only way anyone is going to see this technology is for it to be given away. I for one can see this but sadly many around me can not. So in this thread I went over just about every part of Stanley Meyer's water for fuel technology as best as I can understand it. I didn't ask for anything except to be remembered. I guess that's a part of my Marine corps training teaching us to have pride in our stride. I also kept everything as close as posible to the scientific method of doing things so that others could follow if they wanted too. Even took the time to write a summary of Stanley Meyer's work and shared it freely with everyone. I wonder though if in doing all of this this falls under the rule something given has no value? But I didnt' give everything away but set some rules and made and engineering/builders challange of sorts.

All in all I am doing all of this for it is the right thing to do for humanity and to make the world a better place for my children. The mathmatical theory I posted is science and shows energy content that coensides with Stanley Meyer's patents talking about the 4th energy level or more. The only thing I am guilty of is sharing and wanting to be remembered for doing so just incase I didn't make it to the finish line with everyone. The simple act of sharing is very hard for a lot of people to do these days, always wanting something for their work and time spent on the various projects they would be doing. I ask for nothing, and belive me I am very poor, but I know this technology can free me from the form of enslavement I find myself in today. Many a time has went by if I didn't catch something to eat the family goes hungry for that day. I have had to live in my car, been to places to get something to eat. I know what it means to have no place to call home.

Maybe that is why I want the poorest of the poor to have this, for this technology means true freedom and can improove the lives of many around the world. But that too has always been my dream a dream of making a differance in this world. My mother would always say that to me when I was growing up, that I was going to do something to change the world. Somehow she knew just by looking at me when I was just a baby. All I know is I have a sort-of drive in me to do the right thing, and right now that drive is to finish up my work on the water for fuel technology. But as life always is time and money are always short, so I have patients and wait out the storms of life. In any event I feel I have given all of you reading my little thread the same opportunities I have in getting this water for fuel technology up and running so you to can be free of the energy enslavement we all find ourselves in today. I still have much work that needs to be done in fabucating parts and testing, but I have faith I will get to the end and be successful. Same faith I have in all of you with your work for each an everyone of you can do this too.


h2opower.
From this reply is clear that ..if your Meyer system work is only thanks to an god miracle. Is clear that you accept all without think if can be true or not. I remember you that we live on the Earth and GP isn't magic tube. For it, if you are an right man, you have to accept my concept on N2 and O2 and think about that.
__________________
 

Last edited by tutanka; 08-18-2009 at 10:04 AM.
  #958  
Old 08-18-2009, 11:56 AM
tutanka's Avatar
tutanka tutanka is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,079
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joit View Post
I do fully trust h2opower in what he do, he do it in a carefully Way.
But all i can see from you is to disrupt him, that he can finish his Work,
which is, to rebuild Stan Meyers Work, and not a lot of couple Ideas,
just because someone like you think, something need to improved, what worked once.
It is for sure better, you do your own work, as to disrupt others all the Time
with your 'good Ideas' to improve something, what do not need improvements.
The usual Way, in case, you dont know is, first build it proper, and then look for Improvements.

Edit And dont ask me, where i do live, sometimes i think i live at the ...Backside from the Earth,
because i meet so much ...... Backside Persons...
NO THE RIGHT WAY IS THAT FIRST TO BUILD ANYTHING, MUST BE ANALIZED BETTER ON PAPER IF CONCEPT CAN WORK. I REMEMBER YOU THAT THIS IS AN FREE FORUM AND ON IT ARE PRESENT SOME MINDS AND YOU MUST ACCEPT AND REFLECT ON OTHER CONCEPTS. IF YOU DON'T WANT NO ANSWER YOU DON'T HAVE TO WRITE HERE!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg table1.jpg (25.8 KB, 53 views)
__________________
 

Last edited by tutanka; 08-18-2009 at 12:02 PM.
  #959  
Old 08-18-2009, 01:15 PM
Joit Joit is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,993
Tutanka you wanna talk in Caps with me?

Thats a Thing what wakes me up actually.

You think it need be better analyzed? You see, h2opower does it allready,
but maybe you have just a lack of Understanding to see that.

That has nothing to do with a Free Forum, as you do your claim, it is, or
other Ideas MUST be accepted, what even sounds absolut ridicoulus.
Its only a Argument, where you poorly do hide behind, but its not a Point to make Progress.
I tell you what you MUST. NOT Listen to such smart Persons like you claim that you are, because all you do is to disturb.

h2opower did start the Thread, that HE explain it,
Therefor is for you NO Reason for you, to think, you explain it at YOUR WAY or trow YOUR GOOD IDEAS in,
what obvious has not really something to do with Stan Meyers.
And when he can do that, without Guys like you and her "Good Ideas"
what want to disturb and debunk any Post what he or anyone does,
THEN it is a Free Forum. Do you understand this?
__________________
Theorizer are like High Voltage. A lot hot Air with no Power behind but they are the dead of applied Work and Ideas.
  #960  
Old 08-18-2009, 04:04 PM
h20power h20power is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 661
Re-look at the Summary

Summary of Stanley Meyer’s water for fuel technology by h2opower

This will be a compilation of all of my theories regarding how Stanley Meyer was able to utilized water as a fuel source. It focuses on Stanley Meyers water fuel injection system, answers most questions as to where does the energy come from, and shows the purpose of many items found in Stanley Meyer’s patent.


The Gas Processor


The Gas processor (GP) is the most important part of Stanley Meyers whole system coupled with the Electron Extraction Circuit(EEC) for without them you can have no Hydrogen Fracturing Process. The purpose of the GP is to raise the energy content of the whole reaction by stripping electrons from the incoming air supply by a corona discharge(Ion impact charging of the atoms). It is made to focus on the Oxygen atom in that the LEDs coherent light is chosen to match oxygen’s wave lengths and are used to bombard the oxygen atoms at the right wavelengths. The pulsing of the EEC and LEDs are the same and 180 degrees from that of the GP. Here are the ionization energy levels of oxygen:
• 1st 1313.9 kJ/mol
• 2nd 3388.3 kJ/mol
• 3rd 5300.5 kJ/mol
• 4th 7469.2 kJ/mol
• 5th 10909.5 kJ/mol
• 6th 13326.5 kJ/mol
• 7th 71330.0 kJ/mol
• 8th 84078.0 kJ/mol
Now let us take a look at the reaction to break and form the water molecule under normal conditions.
4 H-O 459 kJ/mol bonds are broken taking 1836 kJ/mol to do so.
2 H-H 436 kJ/mol bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 498 kJ/mol are formed yielding 1370 kJ/mol.

This is why all scientist say it takes more energy to break the bonds of water than you get from combining them, for the net sum of the reaction is negative, 1370-1836 = -466 kJ/mol.

Now the new reactions after the GP has stripped the electrons off of the oxygen atom are known as ionic reactions. Let’s take a look at the 1st energy level of 1313.9 kJ/mol.

The new reaction to form the water molecule 1st energy level:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 1313.9 kJ/mol are formed yielding 2185.9 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is now positive 2185.9-1836 = +349.9 kJ/mol, so now we are getting more energy out than in. To give the energy level a bench mark for comparison the energy content of gasoline is +4864 kJ/mol. So only striping one electron off of the oxygen atom resulted in a positive energy level but still far behind that of gasoline.

Stanley Meyer said he stripped four electrons or more off of the oxygen atom so let us take a look at the reactions as told to us in the patent.
The new reaction to form the water molecule at the 4th energy level is as follows:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 7469.2 kJ/mol are formed yielding 8341.2 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is 8341.2-1836 = +6505.2 kJ/mol
5th
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 10090.5 kJ/mol = 10962.5 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is 10962.5-1836= +9126.5 kJ/mol.
6th
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 13326.5 kJ/mol = 14198.5 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is 14198.5-1836= +12362.5 kJ/mol.
Now this is more than 2.54 times the energy content of that of gasoline, and gives a most probable answer to the question of, “How did Stanley Meyer run his 1.6L engine with an hho production rate of only 7L/min.?” For you still have two more electrons to strip off.

Another question some might have at this stage. “Why doesn’t the GP make Ozone?” That is the job of the Electron Extraction Circuit(EEC). The gas speeds inside of the GP and the proximity to the EEC’s positive screen mesh grid doesn’t give the freshly stripped electrons a chance to form ozone by consuming them in the form of heat. The unstable oxygen atoms will have a positive charge and will be unable to stabilize for at least 0.74 seconds. That may sound like a short time but the gas speeds inside of an engines intake system are very fast. What the gas speeds are I will leave for the reader to calculate. Without the EEC the GP will only produce mostly ozone, though ozone does have a higher energy content than normal oxygen atoms it also will oxidize just about anything it comes into contact with.

Quote:
Non-sequential ionization


When the fact that the electric field of light is an alternating electric field is combined with tunnel ionization, the phenomenon of non-sequential ionization emerges. An electron that tunnels out from an atom or molecule may be sent right back in by the alternating field, at which point it can either recombine with the atom or molecule and release any excess energy, or it also has the chance to further ionize the atom or molecule through high energy collisions. This additional ionization is referred to as non-sequential ionization for two reasons: one, there is no order to how the second electron is removed, and two, an atom or molecule with a +2 charge can be created straight from an atom or molecule with a neutral charge, so the integer charges are not sequential. Non-sequential ionization is often studied at lower laser-field intensities, since most ionization events are sequential when the ionization rate is high.
Now let us look at what is said in the patent:

Thermal Explosive Energy


Exposing the expelling "laser-primed" and "electrically charged" combustible gas ions (exiting from
Gas Resonant Cavity) to a thermal-spark or heat-zone causes thermal gas-ignition, releasing thermal
explosive energy (gmt) beyond the Gas-Flame Stage, as illustrated in Figure (1-19) as to (1-18). { What this is saying is the mixture can be either spark or heat ignited to set off the reaction.}
Thermal Atomic interaction (gmt) is caused when the combustible gas ions (from water) fail to
unite or form a Covalent Link-up or Covalent Bond between the water molecule atoms. as
illustrated in Figure (1-19). The oxygen atom having less than four covalent electrons (Electron
Extraction Process) is unable to reach "Stable-State" (six to eight covalent electrons required) when
the two hydrogen atoms seeks to form the water molecule during thermal gas ignition. { This is saying that Meyer stripped the oxygen atom to its' 4th ionization energy level of 7469.2 kJ/mol or less than the 4th energy level. Why because the oxygen atom has eight electrons in its' outer orbit.}
The absorbed Laser energy (Va. Vb and V c) weakens the "Electrical Bond" between the orbital
electrons and the nucleus of the atoms; while, at the same time, electrical attraction-force (qq'),
being stronger than "Normal" due to the lack of covalent electrons. "Locks Onto" and "Keeps" the
hydrogen electrons. These “abnormal” or “unstable” conditions cause the combustible gas ions to
over compensate and breakdown into thermal explosive energy (gmt). { What this part is saying is that these primed oxygen atoms have enough energy to break the water down and re-react with them with more energy yield than just the hydrogen/oxygen reaction in air alone. Plus tells that the photonic energy is also stripping electrons from the oxygen atom.} This Atomic Thermal Interaction between highly energized combustible gas ions is hereinafter called "The Hydrogen Fracturing Process."
By simply attenuating or varying voltage amplitude in direct relationship to voltage pulse-rate
determines Atomic Power-Yield under controlled state. { This part is telling us that by simply raising/lowering the voltage we can control the power output of the reaction, and he went and grouped terms again.}

Also in the patent:
The Hydrogen Fracturing Process dissociates the water molecule
by way of voltage stimulation, ionizes the combustible gases by
electron ejection and, then, prevents the formation of the water
molecule during thermal gas ignition ... releasing thermal
explosive energy beyond "normal" gas burning levels under
control state ... and the atomic energy process is environmentally
safe.

Abstract of WO9222679
An injector system comprising an improved
method and apparatus useful in the production of
a hydrogen containing fuel gas from water in a
process in which the dielectric property of water
and/or a mixture of water and other components
determines a resonate condition that produces a
breakdown of the atomic bonding of atoms in the
water molecule. The injector delivers a mixture of
water mist(1), ionized gases(2), and non-
combustible gas(3) to a zone or locus(5) within
which the breakdown process leading to the
release of elemental hydrogen from the water
molecules occurs. {This is giving us the formula needed to break down water into its elemental forms hydrogen and oxygen with just the Gas Processor, water fuel injector, and a spark ignition or high heat ignition from a high compression type engine16:1 or higher. The need of the firestorm type spark plug is a must so that it makes sure the reaction occurs, that would be considered the locus. That formula is: water mist, ionized gases, noncombustible gas, and spark or heat ignition.}


The water fuel injectors


The water fuel injectors create micro-mini capacitors out of water by passing the atomized water mist through a high voltage zone. After careful study of the water fuel injector I found out that the inside electrode is surrounded by a column of air at 125 psi so the water mist never comes into direct contact with the center electrode.

How you get voltage to perform work is by physically changing the area, thus changing the charge surface density. This is very important information to know when it comes to understanding how Stanley Meyer got the some of the water mist to break down into hydrogen and oxygen. As the highly charged water mist mixes with the unstable oxygen atoms and recirculated exhaust gases it evaporates, thus changing the surface area allowing voltage to perform work on the water molecule. In a way he set a condition that caused the water molecules to short circuit. This is made possible due to the properties of water being that water is a dielectric liquid. Remember the relaxation time for water is є/σ< 10-6 seconds and for air є/σ> 10 seconds giving the water plenty of time to evaporate while still retaining its induced image charges from the injectors high voltage zone. The water mist is given a negative charge as a result.


Steam Resonator


The Steam Resonators job is to heat the water up to around 90 degrees C or more so that when the water is injected into the engine in vacuum conditions it immediately turns into vapor(not steam) thus aiding the water to evaporate faster, allowing voltage to perform work on the water molecules more readily. The Steam Resonators works much the same as a microwave oven by making the water molecules dipoles switch back and forth causing inter molecular friction.
__________________
 
Closed Thread

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



Please consider supporting Energetic Forum with a voluntary monthly subscription.

Choose your voluntary subscription

For one-time donations, please use the below button.


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:04 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v1.4.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Shoutbox provided by vBShout v6.2.8 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
2007-2015 Copyright - Energetic Forum - All Rights Reserved

Bedini RPX Sideband Generator

Tesla Chargers