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My colleague started geet - and the engine. fogger uses. H2SO4. coffee. urea. heat through. induction. thus start the engine.
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My colleague started geet - and the engine. fogger uses. H2SO4. coffee. urea. heat through. induction. thus start the engine.
All informations are written inside Canadian Patent # 2,067,735..

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Is clear, from these words, that russian theory of Baziev is used inside meyer devices (extracted from Canadian Patent # 2,067,735)

".....when water is subjected to a resonance condition water molecules expand and distend; electrons are ejected from the water molecule and absorbed by ionized gases; and the water molecule, thus destabilized, breaks down into its elemental components of hydrogen (2H) and oxygen (O) in combustion zone."
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All informations are written inside Canadian Patent # 2,067,735..

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Is clear, from these words, that russian theory of Baziev is used inside meyer devices (extracted from Canadian Patent # 2,067,735)

".....when water is subjected to a resonance condition water molecules expand and distend; electrons are ejected from the water molecule and absorbed by ionized gases; and the water molecule, thus destabilized, breaks down into its elemental components of hydrogen (2H) and oxygen (O) in combustion zone."
I agree but there is no such thing as one single reaction that takes place perfectly. Yes, ionized nitrogen can help keep water molecule apart, but an of the separated molecules can still bind to some of the nitrogen to create nh3, n2o, and other molecules. There is a whole "soup" of chemistry going on.
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I agree but there is no such thing as one single reaction that takes place perfectly. Yes, ionized nitrogen can help keep water molecule apart, but but an of the separated molecules can still bind to some of the nitrogen to create nh3, n2o, and other molecules. There is a whole "soup" of chemistry going on.
Read this patent with attention ..
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what catalyst are you using?
Isn't important.. you can use some.. but important is understand the principle.. the meyer canadian patent explain all things if you use high voltage.. need to read carefully
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What product from amazon that can be recommended?
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for what usage?
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alternative configuration..

extracted from canadian patent:

"Laser energy prevents discharge of the ionized gases and provides additional energy input into the molecular destabilization process that occurs at resonance. It is preferable that the ionized gases be subjected to laser (photonic energy) activation in advance of the introduction of the gases into the zone(s); although, for example, a fiber optic conduit may be useful to direct photonic energy directly into the zone. Heat generated in the zone, however, may affect the operability of such an alternative configuration."
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unipolar pulsing at high voltage

You think that an simple unipolar pulsing high voltage discharge can dissociate water?

Meyer use the unipolar pulsing like an standard spark plug ignition the only difference is that instead to have just one spark on plug you have some sparks all togheter for to be sure to obtain the ignition.

But if the high voltage is used just for ignite the mixture of air/hydrogen/oxygen what is the real reaction inside the water fuel cell injector?
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belectrodynamic but you say that it can happen with only heat is this true? is nitrogen needed to have fewer electrons again like meyer? N2 + hv->N2+ + e-
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I'm not able to see nothing because the images submitted from you are with very low definition but I know what you are referring... but.... nanopulses aren't used inside Meyer water fuel cell injector.. some times Meyer specify into the patent that the current used is very lower and I believe in that.. nanopulse is completely different very high current is released but sorry also just current isn't able to split simply the water molecules. Actually I'm not able to see around the world any plasma device able to use water instead gasoline for run our cars.

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"Ionized air gases and non-combustible gases, introduced through nozzles 2A1 and 3A1, are intermixed with the expelling water mist to form a fuel-mixture which enters into voltage zone 6 where the mixture is exposed to a pulsating, unipolar high intensity voltage field (typically 20,000 volts at 50 KHz or above at the resonant condition in which current flow in the circuit [amps] is reduced to a minimum)"
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belectrodynamic but you say that it can happen with only heat is this true? is nitrogen needed to have fewer electrons again like meyer? N2 + hv->N2+ + e-
YES... Heat and not high voltage is necessary for obtain an stable reaction in the time. All depend from how you use the physical laws.
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I'm not able to see nothing because the images submitted from you are with very low definition but I know what you are referring... but.... nanopulses aren't used inside Meyer water fuel cell injector.. some times Meyer specify into the patent that the current used is very lower and I believe in that.. nanopulse is completely different very high current is released but sorry also just current isn't able to split simply the water molecules. Actually I'm not able to see around the world any plasma device able to use water instead gasoline for run our cars.

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"Ionized air gases and non-combustible gases, introduced through nozzles 2A1 and 3A1, are intermixed with the expelling water mist to form a fuel-mixture which enters into voltage zone 6 where the mixture is exposed to a pulsating, unipolar high intensity voltage field (typically 20,000 volts at 50 KHz or above at the resonant condition in which current flow in the circuit [amps] is reduced to a minimum)"
Sorry for the small images, I do not know why they turned out like that, I will see what I can do about it.

This is just part of a system, this just shows that nano pulses from what is basicly flyback induction (Similar to an induction driver), where the input may be low voltage and amperage, but the voltage at the electrode will depend on whether the water is distilled or with electrolyte eg: 1v in on the primary can give 600v at the electrode or 1v on the primary and a high molar electrolyte may give only 6v. This example shows that distilled water shows a higher efficiency, around 98%.

Now if with distilled water you apply an ionising system as well, you will have high voltage discharging through the ionisation route creating a huge amperage at no cost to the input, it will not be seen by the input. High voltage discharging quickly, nano secounds, creates a huge amperage.

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Sorry for the small images, I do not know why they turned out like that, I will see what I can do about it.

This is just part of a system, this just shows that nano pulses from what is basicly flyback induction (Similar to an induction driver), where the input may be low voltage and amperage, but the voltage at the electrode will depend on whether the water is distilled or with electrolyte eg: 1v in on the primary can give 600v at the electrode or 1v on the primary and a high molar electrolyte may give only 6v. This example shows that distilled water shows a higher efficiency, around 98%.

Now if with distilled water you apply an ionising system as well, you will have high voltage discharging through the ionisation route creating a huge amperage at no cost to the input, it will not be seen by the input. High voltage discharging quickly, nano secounds, creates a huge amperage.

There are many ways of skining the same cat

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Please publish online photo or video of an working device that use your nanosecond discharge and make dissociation and burn the water at the same time ..
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Please publish online photo or video of an working device that use your nanosecond discharge and make dissociation and burn the water at the same time ..
Please do the same thing also.
You just talk and talk for years now. Show something working. And if you don't want to, why do you even come here? Just to brag that you have something that others dont?
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Please do the same thing also.
You just talk and talk for years now. Show something working. And if you don't want to, why do you even come here? Just to brag that you have something that others dont?
Dear... everyone can write and not me?
I have just answered that if nanosecond discharge can split easily water all our energy problems are solved. From my side my plasma chemical device work and work ONLY with HEAT!!
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well ... even if nanopulses have huge amperage and big "impulse" the water mass is effectively a faraday cage , update: if the water is distilled there's no conduction and the electrons follow the discharge path.... .. tutanka are you sure the ions or molecules weren't moving ?
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well ... even if nanopulses have huge amperage and big "impulse" the water mass is effectively a faraday cage , update: if the water is distilled there's no conduction and the electrons follow the discharge path.... .. tutanka are you sure the ions or molecules weren't moving ?
Please answer to my question .. if nanopulses works as you think why nothing have used for water dissociation? There are some docs on internet about nanopulses on water steam but to the end no complete dissociation but just ionization or in part. In all case no sufficient for make an burner or run an engine. From my side using heat and catalyst is right way for obtain plasma from water and air and complete dissociation and combustion using the same method specified from Meyer.
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Please answer to my question .. if nanopulses works as you think why nothing have used for water dissociation? There are some docs on internet about nanopulses on water steam but to the end no complete dissociation but just ionization or in part. In all case no sufficient for make an burner or run an engine. From my side using heat and catalyst is right way for obtain plasma from water and air and complete dissociation and combustion using the same method specified from Meyer.
I didn't say nanopulses work , I don't know without experimenting, I said that ionized water forms an electric field shield that doesnt let ELECTRIC FIELDS pass inside... , in short nanopulses exploit the impulse of the electrons and atoms but are shielded that's why they won't work... in deionized not distilled water I don't know what will happen since theres no conduction .
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I didn't say nanopulses work , I don't know without experimenting, I said that ionized water forms an electric field shield that doesnt let ELECTRIC FIELDS pass inside... , in short nanopulses exploit the impulse of the electrons and atoms but are shielded that's why they won't work... in deionized not distilled water I don't know what will happen since theres no conduction .
Believe in me you don't need, just distilled water is ok and however the experience is the mother of all the certainties
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You just talk and talk for years now. Show something working. And if you don't want to, why do you even come here? Just to brag that you have something that others dont?
Ditto.

Please notice on my webpage for my Water Fuel Secrets booklet, it says this (this is an actual copy and paste):

I am NOT claiming I have a car running on water - so please make sure you understand this in no uncertain terms.


I'm NOT claiming I have "duplicated" or "replicated" Stan Meyer - so please also be clear that you understand this as well.


This is NOT a How-To guide telling you how to build anything either. So please also understand that.

What I AM claiming is to have Stan Meyer's own words explaining the nitrogen importance in many of his own documents and how it makes a useful synthetic fuel instead of having a quick "Brown's Gas" pop using HHO, which in an engine is completely worthless for anything other than a fuel supplement.
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Sorry for the small images, I do not know why they turned out like that, I will see what I can do about it.

This is just part of a system, this just shows that nano pulses from what is basicly flyback induction (Similar to an induction driver), where the input may be low voltage and amperage, but the voltage at the electrode will depend on whether the water is distilled or with electrolyte eg: 1v in on the primary can give 600v at the electrode or 1v on the primary and a high molar electrolyte may give only 6v. This example shows that distilled water shows a higher efficiency, around 98%.

Now if with distilled water you apply an ionising system as well, you will have high voltage discharging through the ionisation route creating a huge amperage at no cost to the input, it will not be seen by the input. High voltage discharging quickly, nano secounds, creates a huge amperage.

There are many ways of skining the same cat

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the discharge path should be from the inside to the outside to avoid the shielding effect.
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the discharge path should be from the inside to the outside to avoid the shielding effect.
Here the info that you need on nanopulse discharge .. is dated 1995
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Here are two papers on the subject

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This also applies

Dr. Stiffler SEC Exciter Hydrogen production via diode - YouTube

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OK and then? These documents are just informations and however we are talking every, using another mode, of electrolisys and not the direct dissociation of water. I repeat again... if nanopulse discharge was the way from 1995 at today our boiler (or car ) would work with water and not with the hydrocarbons like now.
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OK and then? These documents are just informations and however we are talking every, using another mode, of electrolisys and not the direct dissociation of water. I repeat again... if nanopulse discharge was the way from 1995 at today our boiler (or car ) would work with water and not with the hydrocarbons like now.
Alex the answer is very simple, no investment. We have the answer, as soon as a scientist is approached and tied up with the investment people, along comes the big buck buy out of the investor and no more is done, the investor has made a killing and he knew this before he was approached, this is how it works.

It is just not $ wise interesting to develope, too many people who now make a lot of money out of oil, NG etc see this as their doom, and they are right, their income will dry up in a couple of years, that goes for the governments as well, so they tie up the scientist and in doing so make a killing without any investment, Voila

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Oh and there are videos of huge gas production, but these are not going to be put into the public domain for viewing.

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