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Old 04-27-2013, 08:00 AM
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bang for the buck - universal multi channel pulse generator

Hi folks,


this is my very first post here at the forum. dealing with new energy themes here maybe we can support one another to speed up progress.


for some time now Iīm working on Stan Meyer replication and some of my fellows are doing some work on Bob Boyce replication.

Searching for a flexible pulse generator in the past some time ago I have found a single chip solution that really fits best to my experiments.

It has 3 or 4 independent pulse channels from 0 to 100 kHz and above.

All parameters can be adjusted using a Windows Client Interface. thatīs much more exact and replicable than using those large scale potentiometers found in all those discrete hardware pulser solutions.

You can download a free operational trial version at https://www.dropbox.com/s/d8wd7coxux...Gen_demo_e.pdf.

The little uC circuit Iīm using has gating, pll lock feature and 2 or more channels can be bound together to realize phase shift between the channels.



with mulit-phase-multi-channel output






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdgJMh9hTQw



with fibre optics connections




as an example I can create a pulse train like

"endless loop applying 12 pulses with 10 ms on and 20 ms off each followed by a gating phase of 300 ms"
or
"endless loop applying 5 pulses with 20 ms on and 20 ms off followed by 8 pulses with 10 ms on and 15 ms off"

up to 8 pulse sequences can be defined in a line.


I can define a number of pulses on demand:

"1000 times ( 5 pulses with 5 ms on and 8 ms off followed by gating of 10 ms) and then stop"


In addition I can bind 2 to 4 channels together:

letīs say I want to create those Boyceīs frequecies at 42.8 kHz, 21.4 kHz and 10.7 kHz.

I can start them synchronized and make slight time changes to create phase shifts on demand.


For example:

create channel 1 pulse sequence: "endless loop at 42.8 kHz duty cycle 50%, syncronized"
create channel 2 pulse sequence: "endless loop at 21.4 kHz duty cycle 40%, syncronized"
create channel 3 pulse sequence: "endless loop at 10.7 kHz duty cycle 30%, syncronized"

once started each frequency parameter can be immediatly changed by a click. frequencies stay phase shift locked.


I can also create 3 frequencies phase shifted:

create channel 1 pulse sequence: "endless loop at 42.8 kHz duty cycle 50% phase shift 0 degree, syncronized"
create channel 2 pulse sequence: "endless loop at 42.8 kHz duty cycle 50% phase shift 120 degree, syncronized"
create channel 3 pulse sequence: "endless loop at 42.8 kHz duty cycle 50% phase shift 240 degree, syncronized"


there are 1000s of frequency variations possible.

Update: newest version of 08-20-2014 supports frequency sweep and pulse frequency to > 3 MHz.


I can replicate Stan Meyer 8XA, 9XA, PLL lock pulsers (with frequency search), all of Boyceīs 3 channel uC or discrete pulsers, for each uC up to 4 channels.

And itīs all within that singe chip matchstick sized solution :-)


Bang for the buck!!!


you can get a brief description and watch a photo at pgen.


I also use fast isolated electronic switches, up to 1200V / 60A (depending on what is needed in my experiments).


Letīs have fun with our experiments!
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Old 07-14-2013, 11:07 PM
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This is overkill

I read this post months ago when it first appeared and now, looking at it again, I have the same basic impression. 1. It looks complicated. 2. It sounds expensive. 3. A computer is needed (which might be damaged by high voltage spikes. And 4. I don't think the supposed high precision is worth the trouble.

So, friends, that is my analysis. I, for one, would like to know if anyone thinks otherwise.

Post a short note and say what you think. Has anyone on this forum actually done anything with this information?
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Old 08-26-2013, 08:49 AM
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compact and versatile

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I read this post months ago when it first appeared and now, looking at it again, I have the same basic impression. 1. It looks complicated. 2. It sounds expensive. 3. A computer is needed (which might be damaged by high voltage spikes. And 4. I don't think the supposed high precision is worth the trouble.

So, friends, that is my analysis. I, for one, would like to know if anyone thinks otherwise.

Post a short note and say what you think. Has anyone on this forum actually done anything with this information?
wayne.ct,

thank you for your analysis.


did you follow the link and did you take a look at the manual?

http://www.source-for-innovations.co...les/PGen_e.pdf gives a comprehensive description of functionality and modules available.


1. does it look complicated?

Standard user interface is a single windows input form.
Itīs no more complicated to use than the energeticforum login with user name and password or using notepad on a windows computer.

Click, click, ... done :-)


2. does it sound expensive?

the cheapest jump into that technology is $20 for a one channel software only solution for free energy project developers.

higher prices depend on your configuration needed and your decision whether to purchase pcbs, building kits or to get it pre-assembled.
in a developer forum like this for sure there are people with assembling competence.


3. is a computer needed and can it be damaged by high voltage spikes?

there are 2 versions of pulse generator available. first with windows client interface and another with LCD interface and 2 rotary encoders.

the LCD interface does not need a host computer but does support a facultative parameter overview on a computer.

both versions of PGen shall be used with isolated electronic switches. these switches can be purchased at Innovationsshop or can be assembled by yourself.
in general you need a MosFet, a Mosfet driver and an optocoupler. component specs depend on your application.

so electronic switches are always decoupled from pulse generator and computer and there is no way for damage at all :-)


4. is high precision worth the trouble?

if you want to get replicable results parameter documentation and precision is a must.

did you ever try to redo a frequency and gating condition produced by a 555 timer and adjusted by potentiometer? if yes - you will know what I mean ...
Very bad zoom features - itīs hard to replicate same parameters another time.
Did you ever try to display and measure a complex signal on a scope without an exactly defined trigger event? itīs difficult.

with PGen you donīt really need a scope for signal input observation. you know the exact signal sequence right before you start the pulses!

of course there are alternatives ... you can alway do it the way Tesla did 100 years ago ... but only if you really can :-)


at home: do you own a modern flat screen tv with HD features or do you use an old fashioned colored tv with electron tube from the 80s?

if you should own a flat screen tv - why?
you also could watch tv, the news and soaps with your old fashioned google-box.

do you really need precision - is it really worth the trouble?

Yes - if you want to progress ...


Iīm using that equipment for a year now and Iīm really happy!


Please give me a hint for something as versatile and precise here at the forum.

just my 2 cents :-)
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Old 08-27-2013, 12:19 AM
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Keep with what you know.

I reviewed the document and it does look like a powerful solution. You say you have been using it for more than a year and it works great for you. I would say, keep using it and you will be happy.

Is this the product that can be bought online? What do you get for $20?

You raise some excellent issues that can be addressed with this product.
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Old 08-28-2013, 06:26 AM
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I reviewed the document and it does look like a powerful solution. You say you have been using it for more than a year and it works great for you. I would say, keep using it and you will be happy.

Is this the product that can be bought online? What do you get for $20?

You raise some excellent issues that can be addressed with this product.
Yes, it is.

$20 is a single channel software only version for free energy projecteers.
the microcontroller used is a standard item from US company Parallax.

So for a quick start purchase 1 channel software from Innovationsshop and purchase 1 Prop-Stick directly from Parallax and you are done for the pulse generator :-)
Add an optocoupler, a MosFet Driver and a MosFet and you are ready to go ...

have fun alltogether :-)
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Old 09-28-2013, 03:55 AM
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Hi delorean,

I have built my first electrolytic hydrogen cell and am interested in using an oscilating current to try and get more efficiency out of it.

I went into Jaycar, my local electronics chain and they just looked at me funny when I told them I need something to create an oscilating current that I can tune up and down.

Would this pgen chip be suitable for what I want to do?
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Old 09-29-2013, 07:54 AM
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Hi delorean,
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Would this pgen chip be suitable for what I want to do?

Yes, of course, itīs primary goal is to supply oscillating voltages of variable frequencies and duty cycles. as a benefit more than one channel can be chained in timing and controlled so that phase shift applications i.e. 3 phase are supported. it also supports frequency regulation in a CD4046 mode for resonant oscillations.

in depth description of pulse generator family you can find at index
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Old 09-30-2013, 04:35 AM
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It seems that the cost of this device is over $200 AUD. does that sound right to you?

I was looking into pulse width modulation however the only units I can find off the shelf at the store are 8A units that don't allow you to adjust the frequency....
I'm kind of stuck.
Does this unit perform the same functions as a PWM? Simply oscilating the current and allowing you to confirm what frequency this is done at?
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Old 10-01-2013, 02:30 PM
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It seems that the cost of this device is over $200 AUD. does that sound right to you?

I was looking into pulse width modulation however the only units I can find off the shelf at the store are 8A units that don't allow you to adjust the frequency....
I'm kind of stuck.
Does this unit perform the same functions as a PWM? Simply oscilating the current and allowing you to confirm what frequency this is done at?
No, itīs not that expensive.

Itīs simple.

you buy a microcontroller PropStick from Parallax for < 50 US$ from the shelf and you add some piece of software from Innovationsshop for 20 US$ and there you go.

then you add a MosFet or transistor and driver depending on the power you have to switch and you are done.

So you get full control over the duty cycle for any frequency up to 100 kHz and beyond.

Now the controller behaves like a standard PWM but has lots more of functionality.
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Old 10-04-2013, 01:46 AM
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No, itīs not that expensive.

Itīs simple.

you buy a microcontroller PropStick from Parallax for < 50 US$ from the shelf and you add some piece of software from Innovationsshop for 20 US$ and there you go.

then you add a MosFet or transistor and driver depending on the power you have to switch and you are done.

So you get full control over the duty cycle for any frequency up to 100 kHz and beyond.

Now the controller behaves like a standard PWM but has lots more of
functionality.
This sounds like exactly what I'm after.

My main problem is that I do not have any background in electronics.
My trades are as an electrician (network) and mechanic.

I don't really know how to read complex circuit diagrams and such, I have been looking shofar for an assembled device, I thought I was on to something with this: NE555 Pulse Frequency Adjustable Module Square Wave Signal Generator | eBay
but it only seems to work in the mA range.

Have you built this device before?

One other question.
Have you or anyone you know of been able to varify that HHO gas production definitely increases with a pulsed DC current at a certain frequency?

That's what I'm experimenting to find out anyway.

Thanks for your help so far! It's been very helpful.
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Old 10-04-2013, 04:59 AM
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I had a look at the propstick.
It's as I feared.... The description of it's function and uses is well over my head.
I need some serious education on the subject.
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Old 10-04-2013, 07:35 PM
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Electronics and ZPE resonnance devices

My experience is that such circuit are very fragile and need to be extremely well isolated from the "energy tapping point" in this case, the rotating magnetic field. Installing low Amp fuses on ALL the major leads of the electronic pulsing circuit can be a solution.
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Old 10-05-2013, 02:03 PM
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My experience is that such circuit are very fragile and need to be extremely well isolated from the "energy tapping point" in this case, the rotating magnetic field. Installing low Amp fuses on ALL the major leads of the electronic pulsing circuit can be a solution.
No, itīs robust but of course you have to take care for proper spike protection due to back EMF etc.

magnetic fields are not the problem.

Itīs easy again:
for 3 more bucks you add a fast optocoupler and a single resistor into the configuration. the optocoupler decouples the mosfet driver from the PropStick and once again you are ready to go ...

you donīt have to understand the PropStick operation because the charme of software applications is that all that functionality presents itself for laymanīs use :-)

few people really know how a car or an airplane works. nevertheless millions are using them ...

enjoy!
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Old 10-08-2013, 01:26 AM
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I'll definitely be reading up on how to wire electrical circuits and what not, I'd love to build this.

Going back to me earlier question. Has anyone ever proven that pulsed dc at a certain frequency ups the production on HHO gas above the brute force rate??
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Old 10-08-2013, 05:28 AM
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I'll definitely be reading up on how to wire electrical circuits and what not, I'd love to build this.

Going back to me earlier question. Has anyone ever proven that pulsed dc at a certain frequency ups the production on HHO gas above the brute force rate??
Of course Bob Boyce claims to have done so. this Pgen circuit emulates all those circuits Bob Boyce has published and also the one digital circuit he didnīt publish but talked about.
Itīs much more than a PWM.





with 4 channels phase lock control you can emulate all circuit designs Boyce is talking about.
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Old 10-11-2013, 07:45 AM
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Sounds awesome.
Thanks!
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Old 10-29-2013, 07:26 PM
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Delorean, I've sent you a PM mate
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Hmm, he hasn't replied.... Maybe they got to him :/
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:57 PM
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circuit design, simulate and build tools

there are great tools for circuit design and development.

of course it takes some time to make good use of them but they are powerful and efficient.

1. KiCad for circuit design and layout

Download - Kicad EDA - KiCad EDA

2. LTSpice for circuit simulation and circuit layout prototyping

Linear Technology - Design Simulation and Device Models

I use them to build applications integrating PGen pulse generator components.


enjoy!
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Old 11-06-2013, 03:42 AM
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Ok thanks mate.
Hopefully I can wrap my head around it.

If I can get thru the electrician course, I should be able to get thru this
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Old 02-24-2014, 01:55 PM
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P Gen

Anyone is using it? Any results so far?

I'm considering buying one, to use with a tube hydrogen cell and a fat bifilar inductor in between. I'd like to figure out how to set it up for resonance sensing.. any idea?
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Old 04-04-2014, 10:39 AM
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Exclamation Trial version of PGen pulse wizard available now

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Anyone is using it? Any results so far?

I'm considering buying one, to use with a tube hydrogen cell and a fat bifilar inductor in between. I'd like to figure out how to set it up for resonance sensing.. any idea?
You can download a free operational trial version at https://www.dropbox.com/s/d8wd7coxux...Gen_demo_e.pdf

It works with and without ĩC hardware connected.

For the resonance sensing you have to use the pll mode and feed the phase shifted signal back into the controller.
the controller will change frequency until given phase shift for resonance is reached.
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Old 08-24-2014, 06:09 PM
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Update: newest version of 08-20-2014 supports frequency sweep and pulse frequency to > 3 MHz.
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Old 09-19-2014, 07:02 AM
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At 15:30 min this video shows how to create pulsetrains and create resonance swings in a transformer



https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...IgSiGxcc#t=926



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Adding process control to your electronic workbench

Combining a microcontroller with an easy to use programming interface:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKIMpeXp42c
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Fibre optics connections against electromagnetic interference

A fibre optics connection solves ground related problems by isolation between pulsing source and power switch.

A fibre optics connection also solves problems related to connection wires acting as antennas and creating ripple voltages.



The ST connectors of the fibre optic connection are similar to electrical bnc connectors but smaller.
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