Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[toranarod]

Here are the Pics Of what I’ve done so far

WOW this is magnificent work. I always envy anybody with a machine shop.
do you mind me asking what will the electrical architecture be what are the designs. if you are making a generator for OU or at best a very efficient generator it must be out side normal concepts other wise there is no point.
So I am very interested in what you are committing so much resources to.

Right now every body is still trying to get over the main event Like a bad hang over

Best regards Rod

[toranarod]

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Thanks for the help see what I can do.

[Xenomorph]

Hi guys,
I'm new here but I think I have something to offer,
I've recently put aside a project I was designing that looks allot like the
Muller Motor Generator, But the Aluminum plates I was to use for the rotor and stators was $425.00 and I could not afford it, I've already made the soft iron magnet cores for that system after purchasing a Mhead Bridgeport & a 5'
Atlas Lathe I was spent. So I opted for a smaller cylindrical type.
I've taken the guts out of a condenser fan motor and made the magnets for
that size motor, I built the commentator, I’ve wrapped the magnet cores with 22 thousandths magnet wire and am ready to build the power source but I’m kind of Illiterate to the electronics part of this project.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
anyone Interested in setting me up with a step by step to build a diod stack to get me 2000 volts D/C. let me know and ill get some pics of my work asap to post here also.

Thanks in advance: Jack

With such a motor type you might wanna have a look into rotoverter technology.
For the 2000 volts D/C just get yourself a microwave oven diode or other HV diode, that is rated for your application. You can make a bridge out of 4 diodes of that type too.
What you need 2000 volts for anyway? hehe

[jackiemac22]

HV DC Motor

Thank you Toranarod for your Praise.

I’m in this for, as I assume every one that got involved is sick of big oil , gas , and electric Co. screwing us every day.

I’d like to get the HV motor to go over unity collecting the back EMF to keep the batteries charged and use the massive power of the motor to turn a Winco 15,000 Watt 540 RPM Tractor Driven PTO Generator - W15PTOS to run my own house.

The motor I built is a smaller vertion of what I need to achive what I ultimatly want, but it’s a start.

This could be huge but if it gets to big to fast they will come and take it from us.
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My response to Xenomorph,
I have a print for a circuit but I don’t understand the electronics part of this.

I do know that the smaller the wire you use the better the magnets power,
And using high dc voltage @ roughly 2000vdc to power the motor, going through the diode bridge stack and capacitors it ends up 2000vdc with the amps in the milliamp range;

Most of my knowledge was received from this document.
http://curezone.com/upload/Members/C...gine_Plans.pdf

The Electronics part of the design is in this plan. Enjoy

[Xenomorph]

Thank you Toranarod for your Praise.

I’m in this for, as I assume every one that got involved is sick of big oil , gas , and electric Co. screwing us every day.

I’d like to get the HV motor to go over unity collecting the back EMF to keep the batteries charged and use the massive power of the motor to turn a Winco 15,000 Watt 540 RPM Tractor Driven PTO Generator - W15PTOS to run my own house.

The motor I built is a smaller vertion of what I need to achive what I ultimatly want, but it’s a start.

This could be huge but if it gets to big to fast they will come and take it from us.
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ____________________________
My response to Xenomorph,
I have a print for a circuit but I don’t understand the electronics part of this.

I do know that the smaller the wire you use the better the magnets power,
And using high dc voltage @ roughly 2000vdc to power the motor, going through the diode bridge stack and capacitors it ends up 2000vdc with the amps in the milliamp range;

Most of my knowledge was received from this document.
http://curezone.com/upload/Members/C...gine_Plans.pdf

The Electronics part of the design is in this plan. Enjoy

Well the electronics part of it is comparatively simple.
What is it exactly you don't understand?
Have you built electric circuits before?
Just asking, because EMA-4 stuff can fry you easily, if you are not experienced with high voltage circuits

[jackiemac22]

Well the electronics part of it is comparatively simple.
What is it exactly you don't understand?
Have you built electric circuits before?
Just asking, because EMA-4 stuff can fry you easily, if you are not experienced with high voltage circuits

No I have never done any work with Electronics aside from working on automobils witch is far from what i'm into here.

That's why I'm asking for something in great detail on how to asemble the parts I need, so I don't die.

This is the Comutator /switch to drive my motor. this is the closest i'v come to any electronics building.

[Xenomorph]

No I have never done any work with Electronics aside from working on automobils witch is far from what i'm into here.

That's why I'm asking for something in great detail on how to asemble the parts I need, so I don't die.

You might wanna read this first : http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...lans-real.html

and then go through this:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...plication.html

I'd rather build a rotoverter, it DOES work at least )

There is no working "easy-to-make instructions pdfs" out there for any OU device of significant COP (much greater than 10).
Most of it has been suppressed.

[erfinder]

No I have never done any work with Electronics aside from working on automobils witch is far from what i'm into here.

That's why I'm asking for something in great detail on how to asemble the parts I need, so I don't die.

http://www.icehouse.net/john1/mono-pole19.jpg

Try that...study the circuit, then build it....all of it! Then when you think you're ready, apply the circuit to a real motor!

After studying this circuit, I modified a few fans.... if the circuit works on a fan, it should work on any electronically commutated motor.

Regards

[toranarod]

No I have never done any work with Electronics aside from working on automobils witch is far from what i'm into here.

That's why I'm asking for something in great detail on how to asemble the parts I need, so I don't die.

This is the Comutator /switch to drive my motor. this is the closest i'v come to any electronics building.

You are building a EV Gray motor You got balls.
I started at the other end working on the electronics and electrical system.
the hi voltage is hard to control safely I have many electric shocks to prove it and burnt fingers
the EV gray is one of the true OU devices ever created and I am very excited about you attempt to create a replica. I have a data base on EV gray i have collected over a period of time you are welcome to.

It was said the last motor EV gay created demonstrated anti gravity phenomena. that was when Cole and gray abandoned the work.

[i_ron]

Here are the Pics Of what I’ve done so far

Quite embarrassing to see the chuck key left in the chuck

That's a no no

Ron

[toranarod]

looks like we have all be distracted by the EVENT
no new post.

I have some new data i will post today.

[quantumuppercut]

Looks like we have reinforcement from other front line.

From PhysicsProf:

"As mentioned in the first post here, one may add a material M of high magnetic permeability on the Z axis, extending between the loops.

Now the speed of propagation for the changing B field in this material becomes important.
In vacuum, a change in the B field -- that "information" -- will propagate at the speed of light.
But in M, the propagation speed will be less because the dipoles in M must physically move to become more oriented (for an increasing B). This takes time.
Indeed, the magnetic propagation speed may be much less than c.

OK -- to simplify, take a strong permanent magnet and attach it (very rapidly) to the end of a rod made of nanoperm, no, let's make it iron (so that we might find a speed-value in existing literature).

How fast will the B-field from this magnet travel along the iron?

I think this is an important question -- does anyone know if magnetic-field propagation speeds for various materials have been measured?"

[Web000x]

Looks like we have reinforcement from other front line.

From PhysicsProf:

"As mentioned in the first post here, one may add a material M of high magnetic permeability on the Z axis, extending between the loops.

Now the speed of propagation for the changing B field in this material becomes important.
In vacuum, a change in the B field -- that "information" -- will propagate at the speed of light.
But in M, the propagation speed will be less because the dipoles in M must physically move to become more oriented (for an increasing B). This takes time.
Indeed, the magnetic propagation speed may be much less than c.

OK -- to simplify, take a strong permanent magnet and attach it (very rapidly) to the end of a rod made of nanoperm, no, let's make it iron (so that we might find a speed-value in existing literature).

How fast will the B-field from this magnet travel along the iron?

I think this is an important question -- does anyone know if magnetic-field propagation speeds for various materials have been measured?"

I am interested to see if this is the same professor that wrote the article that I posted to this thread a couple of times. Do you have a link to the professor's literature?

Thanks,

Dave

[quantumuppercut]

I am interested to see if this is the same professor that wrote the article that I posted to this thread a couple of times. Do you have a link to the professor's literature?

Thanks,

Dave

Hi Web000x,

This is professor Steven Jones. He is JouleSeeker over at OU.com. Maybe you're thinking professor Turtur. We do get professors from time to time, don't we.

[Zooty]

Looks like we have reinforcement from other front line.

From PhysicsProf:

"As mentioned in the first post here, one may add a material M of high magnetic permeability on the Z axis, extending between the loops.

Now the speed of propagation for the changing B field in this material becomes important.
In vacuum, a change in the B field -- that "information" -- will propagate at the speed of light.
But in M, the propagation speed will be less because the dipoles in M must physically move to become more oriented (for an increasing B). This takes time.
Indeed, the magnetic propagation speed may be much less than c.

OK -- to simplify, take a strong permanent magnet and attach it (very rapidly) to the end of a rod made of nanoperm, no, let's make it iron (so that we might find a speed-value in existing literature).

How fast will the B-field from this magnet travel along the iron?

I think this is an important question -- does anyone know if magnetic-field propagation speeds for various materials have been measured?"

Theoretically, it might not have much to do with the speed of propagation although i think permeability is important for power return. I think the main mechanism behind the magnetic delay is the coil resistance/inductance. We have seen it work with ferrite and iron which are very different from each other but when the coil is not shorted, there is no effect. Purely theoretical and nothing more.