Bedini SG

[N O G]

Coil Trials

Thanks theremart ....some good info to take in . When you say you wrap the trigger wire last are you still keeping the same ohms and lengths in the wire (seems harder to balance out to me )i might be missing something though...

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[dodeca]

A few missing components?

I found a drawing.
If I did not embed the picture in this post
here is the link

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/zardoz93728/JB-Circuit.jpg

What I see in this drawing that I did not build into my SG is ...

Ground , C1 ,C2 ,C3 ,W3 , and a battery ( I am using a power supply )

Dodeca

[theremart]

Re: trigger wire

Thanks theremart ....some good info to take in . When you say you wrap the trigger wire last are you still keeping the same ohms and lengths in the wire (seems harder to balance out to me )i might be missing something though...

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Others may step in here and fill in where I am missing, but the trigger wire is just that... It turns on the transistor. This is why you want it ideally to be of smaller gauge than the power coil. I know of others who use a very fine gauge ( see the Daftman videos on youtube )

Ideally you want the ohms of all the power coils the same.

What I have found helpful is to do what Erin does, is to go to a place outside that is flat and mark off a certain distance. Then make all of your power coils this length. I did not get this far, but I believe if I filled my coil all the way, then took this outside and unwrapped it, then simply double it back that would give me the length of coil that would fill the coil for a bifilar.

I hope this helps..

[theremart]

My golf cart batteries getting more strength.

I am finding that to get old batteries to achieve high voltages that I have had to leave them on the SSG for days at a time.

The golf cart batteries that I have when I got them were at 12.20 V. I thought this was fully charged, until I did some searching and asking around, it seems that when on a charger the top voltage is 14.00 - 14.2.

I have taken a more aggressive approach with these batteries, I am now hitting them with 40V at .8 Amp. They have risen now after about 3 days to a charging 12.34-12.54, the highest voltage I have seen these at since I have had them. I am thinking that I have never really had these batteries to the full charge they are able to do, thus this is why I was unable to run my rotoverter off of them.

I believe that I will keep these batteries on my 7 transistor monopole energizer for a week or so at 40V. I am seeing a steady rise in voltage with these batteries about .05 a day.

My target is to get supercharged batteries. This is a battery that can take a charge quickly and then when loaded slowly go down in voltage. I have taken the long route to get there with sulfated batteries...

Mart

[gmeat]

I am finding that to get old batteries to achieve high voltages that I have had to leave them on the SSG for days at a time.

The golf cart batteries that I have when I got them were at 12.20 V. I thought this was fully charged, until I did some searching and asking around, it seems that when on a charger the top voltage is 14.00 - 14.2.

I have taken a more aggressive approach with these batteries, I am now hitting them with 40V at .8 Amp. They have risen now after about 3 days to a charging 12.34-12.54, the highest voltage I have seen these at since I have had them. I am thinking that I have never really had these batteries to the full charge they are able to do, thus this is why I was unable to run my rotoverter off of them.

I believe that I will keep these batteries on my 7 transistor monopole energizer for a week or so at 40V. I am seeing a steady rise in voltage with these batteries about .05 a day.

My target is to get supercharged batteries. This is a battery that can take a charge quickly and then when loaded slowly go down in voltage. I have taken the long route to get there with sulfated batteries...

Mart

Hi Mart,

You might wanna try hitting those batteries with a higher amperage than 800 milliamps but be careful as the transistors will heat up so make sure you have heatsinks on them and I personally like a fan on them.I find that the batteries charge better if you hit them with higher amperage for a little while,Another words hit them for maybe 5 or 10 minutes at about 1.5 amps then let them return to 800 or even 500 milliamps for say 15 minutes and i think you'll notice the batteries tend to like this sort of charging.Hope that helps and I thought those batteries were 6 volt golf cart batteries?.

-Gary

[theremart]

RE: Golf Cart

Hi Mart,

You might wanna try hitting those batteries with a higher amperage than 800 milliamps but be careful as the transistors will heat up so make sure you have heatsinks on them and I personally like a fan on them.I find that the batteries charge better if you hit them with higher amperage for a little while,Another words hit them for maybe 5 or 10 minutes at about 1.5 amps then let them return to 800 or even 500 milliamps for say 15 minutes and i think you'll notice the batteries tend to like this sort of charging.Hope that helps and I thought those batteries were 6 volt golf cart batteries?.

-Gary

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I am running them in sets of 2 (6V), so charging 6 of them at a time at 40V on the primary side... The RPMS at 4150..... Zzooooom.... I have normally just set it to the highest RPM, since I want a more ON time, and sharper spikes.

I can't wait till I figure out how to use my scope....

I felt all of the transistors and they are cool to touch while it is running. Since I am running this 24/7 I don't want any other arrangement.


Under my present setup, I am using an OLD analog power supply, it can't give me more than .8 AMP. but will consider your method when I start using batteries as my primary.

Mart

[mrbreau]

Scopeshot

Can anyone tell me what this scopeshot represents? I stumbled across it while looking for the *spike* on my monopole. I'm interested in any and all information.

Link; YouTube - H_wave anomaly

I haven't the experience to figure out what is going on here.

There is a description of how I got to the waveform with the video.

Thanks all.
Warren
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[theremart]

SSG update.

Today I am starting a new test with the battery swapper. I have 8 golf cart batteries and 4 deep cell batteries all hooked up in banks of 24V. I was very happy that I was able to increase my normal charge on my golf cart batteries up to 6.8V this is a big improvement from before. The deep charging I have done for days is paying off.

I am pulling on my 4 coil 6 transistor energizer 1.5 AMPs, will try to run this on each bank for 11 hours.

[dambit]

Another Noob

Hi All, Amazing amount of info on this forum.

I have just built my first SSG two days ago.(pics attached) My coil has only 330 turns, but it seems to be working ok (wound the wrong way so its a south pole motor I guess). The rotor is from an old 5" floppy drive and the magnets are neo's . I have a vid of the setup here for those that are interested. YouTube - SSG Video 2

I have many q's but at the moment I would like to know if it is better to attain the fastest rpm, or the most rpm for the lowest draw off the primary batts.

Cheers,

P.S sorry about the massive photo.

[theremart]

Re: Ssg

Hi All, Amazing amount of info on this forum.

I have just built my first SSG two days ago.(pics attached) My coil has only 330 turns, but it seems to be working ok (wound the wrong way so its a south pole motor I guess). The rotor is from an old 5" floppy drive and the magnets are neo's . I have a vid of the setup here for those that are interested. YouTube - SSG Video 2

I have many q's but at the moment I would like to know if it is better to attain the fastest rpm, or the most rpm for the lowest draw off the primary batts.

Cheers,

P.S sorry about the massive photo.

You can convert the photo to a smaller one with "Faststone Image Viewer" it is free and works great! ( simple right click on photo choose batch convert ) then lower the scale of the jpg quality.

The goal can be what you want it to be But the best is to look for conditioned batteries. Batteries that charge up fast and give their charge slowly.

Here is what I do for a conditioning process.


I will leave the battery on the SSG for days till it reaches the top voltage. Then I will put a load with its c20 rating ( fancy term for 20% of its rating ) till I have went down to 12.5V for standard batteries, 5.5 for my golf cart batteries. Then I repeat, the process of charging them normally gets faster with time. Note this takes months to get up to a "supercharged" battery and you will loose if you use a conventional charge, or.... if you let the battery just sit.

Goal number 1 for me is to get a conditioned battery, then after that you can optimize the energizer. Until the battery is conditioned, it will jump all over the place in voltage and you will be scratching your head thinking.... what did I do wrong on my energizer. This can be normal, the batteries often drop in voltage, then rise then drop until they stabilize with the new method of charging.

Note on your neos to keep it about 1/2 inch away from the magnets, you will find that it will take less amps this way ( at least I did ).

Many methods out there for tunning the SSG, mine is to watch the target batteries voltage, the question is, what I change, does it make it rise faster?

I have found that leaving the batteries on the SSG for days has really helped my good batteries. The bad ones... well ehhh i don't spend the time on them anymore. Too many batteries out there for me to fight the ones that take months to bring back.

[selamatg]

Recondition Battery use for car

hello All,

Did anyone try using recondition battery (after many cycle with SSG) at car?
what the result...it is long live?
The condition not back (as before reconditioning with SSG) so quick?

regards,

Selamatg

[Sephiroth]

Someone on here (can't remember the post now) reconditioned the battery for their truck, and the battery ran fine being charged by the alternator afterwards for at least a year. Then he sold the truck so we don't know how long it lasted after that

[theremart]

hello All,

Did anyone try using recondition battery (after many cycle with SSG) at car?
what the result...it is long live?
The condition not back (as before reconditioning with SSG) so quick?

regards,

Selamatg

It will work, but you will loose the main benefits of the SSG charging. John Bedini states it takes longer to charge after been used with the SSG. But.. the real answer would be for us to make a Peter Linderman motor to replace our alternator. That would be the ticket..

[Sephiroth]

It will work, but you will loose the main benefits of the SSG charging. John Bedini states it takes longer to charge after been used with the SSG. But.. the real answer would be for us to make a Peter Linderman motor to replace our alternator. That would be the ticket..

How can we replace an alternator with an attraction motor

I thought the point of the linderman motor is that it doesn't induce voltage in the coils

[selamatg]

Thank you

Someone on here (can't remember the post now) reconditioned the battery for their truck, and the battery ran fine being charged by the alternator afterwards for at least a year. Then he sold the truck so we don't know how long it lasted after that

Thank you for your info....


Mart,

Would be interest to study Peter Linderman Motor for my next project..
thank you