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Old 11-22-2011, 04:37 AM
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luminous aether??

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Does it follow that because some one has “seen something before” It no longer has any significance!
We all see things differently for instance I look at a tree and I see the Fibonacci series in the way
the tree is shaped, In such a brilliant display of mathematics in order that each tier of the tree does not obscure the light from the tier below.
Going around each Tier or level if you will see each branch is staggered compared to its partners on top and below, left and right,
Again Natures mathematical natural beauty, slow time right down and you are watching the classic spin as described by Edward Leedskalnin and oh so many others others.
If you carefully study a branch and measure the width of the bark you will discover its growth against time and the core directly tracks a natural log (e) base. So much going on and what do you see? A TREE. Yeh yeh Its a tree seen one of them so its not important!
That is really why I suggested this thread not be started because as John Bedini says People just refuse to see !! and its true folks want to eat the meat and leave the greens.
Lets just assume for a moment it is a manifestation of the “Linear wave” that of course officially (doesn't exist ) then it is every where caught in the right light you can see it entering animals.
Consider this … If the linear wave (contrary to everything we are taught) exists and it does!! It is all around us! Its the very breath of life and I'm actually stunned that every one hasn't seen it!
The fact that you are lucky enough to heterodyne with it because of a glitch in a camera is neither here nor there. Can you reproduce the effect? Is it the camera or the ambient light? Can you identify the glitch in the camera, does twisting the camera twist the laser type line,
I guess what I am trying to say is DOH... IT A TREE will probably not advance this thread
Here is a picture of our horses the other night. Notice the "streamers" above the horses. A little info about the picture.... Its dark. Low humidity. No dust. The only light shining on the horses(3 of em,kinda standing in a tri angle pattern) is from 16 cfl lights in the barn. look to the top left of the horse, thats a dust to dawn light 1/4 mile away. 600 yards left of the horses is a set of high voltage transmission lines strait out of a powerhouse a few miles away. I dont know what the streamers are, the luminous aether, cosmic rays,junky camera, the list goes on.....but the thing is this isn't the first time the ghostly lines of light have visited our pictures of horses. Its always at night or dusk...we've had many different cameras over the years and every once and awhile we get pictures like this one. Maybe its a lighting/shutter issue, or maybe its 3 1100 pound fractal antennas heterodyning with the high freq. of the 16 cfl's and the 60hz. 300000 volt power lines! But in all seriousness, we have noticed this many times in the past, and its not site specific. Just thought I'd share my experience

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Time to fess up.

Hi guys, My previous post was an attempt to get you all to post more pictures of this effect, to provide a case for the effect. And you didn't disappoint.

In truth I think there is something being picked up in the scan fields of the cameras when these "radiant" type devices are in operation. I think the older analogue cameras are still the best hope to study the effect as they don't clip signal data when converting to digital. Other than that, a high end progressive scan video camera or SLR would be great too. Something with a high frame rate, like 60 fps or something if taking video. If taking stills, using an old film SLR with astrophotography film would be best. Astro film is designed to be sensitive to a greater range of the light spectrum. It can be difficult to get, but I think FUJI still make some.

One way to compare, or capture the effect against normal light bulbs, would be this:

Set up the camera and all equipment in a dark room. Place a small visible light filter in front of the bulb so that the light is not hitting the camera lense directly, but the area above the bulb is clear. Take a long exposure of the darkened room and see what you get.

Those images of the helix above the tesla coils etc are really amazing (if real).

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Here is a picture of our horses the other night. Notice the "streamers" above the horses. A little info about the picture.... Its dark. Low humidity. No dust. The only light shining on the horses(3 of em,kinda standing in a tri angle pattern) is from 16 cfl lights in the barn. look to the top left of the horse, thats a dust to dawn light 1/4 mile away. 600 yards left of the horses is a set of high voltage transmission lines strait out of a powerhouse a few miles away. I dont know what the streamers are, the luminous aether, cosmic rays,junky camera, the list goes on.....but the thing is this isn't the first time the ghostly lines of light have visited our pictures of horses. Its always at night or dusk...we've had many different cameras over the years and every once and awhile we get pictures like this one. Maybe its a lighting/shutter issue, or maybe its 3 1100 pound fractal antennas heterodyning with the high freq. of the 16 cfl's and the 60hz. 300000 volt power lines! But in all seriousness, we have noticed this many times in the past, and its not site specific. Just thought I'd share my experience

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There is a train of thought that runs roughly thus.... Because of the phenomenal capacity of the brain which is seen to be “boxing well above its weight” It has been assumed in various persuasions that the Body is simply a “containing vessel” and the Brain considered to be merely a terminal to our whole presence,ergo In much the same way as your PC is connecting you to the internet right now.
Tesla among many others noted many qualities associated with the Linear wave of the Luminous aether of which available power he considered only a very minor part. This Video by Tom Brown expounds some of the extraordinary powers of this ray The Ray of Discovery - Nikola Tesla on Vimeo
There are certainly things involved in the action of Life that defy analysis. For instance the difference in the calcium content between a/ a new laid chickens egg and b/ a new hatched chick is enormous from whence comes the balance? Now I'm not saying by linear wave but neither am I discounting the possibility.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. (Hamlet)
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Here is a picture of our horses the other night. Notice the "streamers" above the horses. A little info about the picture.... Its dark. Low humidity. No dust. The only light shining on the horses(3 of em,kinda standing in a tri angle pattern) is from 16 cfl lights in the barn. look to the top left of the horse, thats a dust to dawn light 1/4 mile away. 600 yards left of the horses is a set of high voltage transmission lines strait out of a powerhouse a few miles away. I dont know what the streamers are, the luminous aether, cosmic rays,junky camera, the list goes on.....but the thing is this isn't the first time the ghostly lines of light have visited our pictures of horses. Its always at night or dusk...we've had many different cameras over the years and every once and awhile we get pictures like this one. Maybe its a lighting/shutter issue, or maybe its 3 1100 pound fractal antennas heterodyning with the high freq. of the 16 cfl's and the 60hz. 300000 volt power lines! But in all seriousness, we have noticed this many times in the past, and its not site specific. Just thought I'd share my experience

Regards, Jason
I thought you might want to check out this post, especially the picture posted in it

The Golden Tractate of Hermes Trismegistus applied to electromagnetism
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The electric field of a magnet

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Additional experiments showed that the effects were altered by adjusting the duration of the electrical pulse. In each instance, the power of the radiated energy appeared to be constant irrespective of the distance from his apparatus. The energy was in the form of individual longitudinal waves. Objects placed near the equipment became powerfully electrified, retaining their charge for many minutes after the equipment was switched off.


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Additional experiments showed that the effects were altered by adjusting the duration of the electrical pulse. In each instance, the power of the radiated energy appeared to be constant irrespective of the distance from his apparatus. The energy was in the form of individual longitudinal waves. Objects placed near the equipment became powerfully electrified, retaining their charge for many minutes after the equipment was switched off

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Magneto-optic effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A magneto-optic effect is any one of a number of phenomena in which an electromagnetic wave propagates through a medium that has been altered by the presence of a quasistatic magnetic field. In such a material, which is also called gyrotropic or gyromagnetic, left- and right-rotating elliptical polarizations can propagate at different speeds, leading to a number of important phenomena. When light is transmitted through a layer of magneto-optic material, the result is called the Faraday effect: the plane of polarization can be rotated, forming a Faraday rotator. The results of reflection from a magneto-optic material are known as the magneto-optic Kerr effect (not to be confused with the nonlinear Kerr effect).

In general, magneto-optic effects break time reversal symmetry locally (i.e. when only the propagation of light, and not the source of the magnetic field, is considered) as well as Lorentz reciprocity, which is a necessary condition to construct devices such as optical isolators (through which light passes in one direction but not the other). (The other, less useful, way to break time reversal symmetry is to rely upon absorption loss.)

Two gyrotropic materials with reversed rotation directions of the two principal polarizations, corresponding to complex-conjugate ε tensors for lossless media, are called optical isomers.

Kerr Rotation and Kerr Ellipticity

Kerr Rotation and Kerr Ellipticity are changes in the polarization of incident light which comes in contact with a gyromagnetic material. Kerr Rotation is a rotation in the angle of transmitted light, and Kerr Ellipticity is the ratio of the major to minor axis of the ellipse traced out by elliptically polarized light on the plane through which it propagates. Changes in the orientation of polarized incident light can be quantified using these two properties.

Circular Polarized Light




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This train of very short uni-directional pulses causes a very strange field to expand outwards. This field resembles a stuttering electrostatic field but has a far more powerful effect than would be expected from an electrostatic charge. Tesla was unable to account for the enormous voltage multiplication of his apparatus using any of the electrical formula of his day. He therefore presumed that the effect was entirely due to radiant transformation rules which would have to be determined through experimental measurements. This he proceeded to do.
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I know someone who took pictures of them

Thomas Burton Kinraide
(1864 - 1927)


The Turn Of The Century Electrotherapy Museum Tesla Library

Original ca. 1897 Glass Plate Negatives:
A Rare Collection Of Spark Discharge Photos,
Recovered From Kinraide's Underground Laboratory
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Here it is very visable:

Light- YouTube

(Not my vid , warning explicit language)
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Here it is very visable:

Light- YouTube

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Just a phase he's going through? ouch! Still as camera moves light seem to remain vertical ergo not a camera fault? a flippant answer such as "over exposure" or some such "Doh it a tree" comment does not suit! theory, or maths indeed any verifiable conjecture would be

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Cherryman .. thats interesting, was there any official explanation by NASSA?
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NASA = Never A Straight Answer

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spin back ...time life re-appears

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Here is a picture of our horses the other night. Notice the "streamers" above the horses. A little info about the picture.... Its dark. Low humidity. No dust. The only light shining on the horses(3 of em,kinda standing in a tri angle pattern) is from 16 cfl lights in the barn. look to the top left of the horse, thats a dust to dawn light 1/4 mile away. 600 yards left of the horses is a set of high voltage transmission lines strait out of a powerhouse a few miles away. I dont know what the streamers are, the luminous aether, cosmic rays,junky camera, the list goes on.....but the thing is this isn't the first time the ghostly lines of light have visited our pictures of horses. Its always at night or dusk...we've had many different cameras over the years and every once and awhile we get pictures like this one. Maybe its a lighting/shutter issue, or maybe its 3 1100 pound fractal antennas heterodyning with the high freq. of the 16 cfl's and the 60hz. 300000 volt power lines! But in all seriousness, we have noticed this many times in the past, and its not site specific. Just thought I'd share my experience

Regards, Jason
Just a possibility but you indicate that there are EHT AC cables in the vicinity and there is a filming technique called Kirlian photography which I suspect in the end will relate to the linear effect we are investigating, It would seem that under certain conditions Kirlian photography will effective “turn back time” In short if you were to take a photo through high AC voltage of say an amputee when you looked at the picture the missing limb would reappear.
Likewise with a leaf from a bush. I do recall perhaps 10 years ago watching a video of a portable camera made to operate on the principle, and the shots of flowing water, and life force going into people were truly amazing.. I can find nothing similar on the web now. More suppression I suspect.
Here are some shots though Kirlian Imaging Reel - YouTube When the portable cameras were available they could also accurately detect illness in a body. (allegedly) this is 2nd generation Scientist photographed soul leaving the body in death 2nd part - YouTube as all ways form your own conclusion in the absence of proof! A reasonable guess for the shot though !

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Blue is the colour.. Aetheric force is the game! (perhaps)

Here again caught on film yet another of Tariels machines Kapanadze OIL 18 KW 3 / 3 - YouTube
Sensitive's asked to view free energy devices report a green/ blue gaseous sea three or four feet off the ground I seem to see something under this machine .. but perhaps just a reflection... anyone see?
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Here again caught on film yet another of Tariels machines Kapanadze OIL 18 KW 3 / 3 - YouTube
Sensitive's asked to view free energy devices report a green/ blue gaseous sea three or four feet off the ground I seem to see something under this machine .. but perhaps just a reflection... anyone see?
nice find Duncan

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Just a possibility but you indicate that there are EHT AC cables in the vicinity and there is a filming technique called Kirlian photography which I suspect in the end will relate to the linear effect we are investigating, It would seem that under certain conditions Kirlian photography will effective “turn back time” In short if you were to take a photo through high AC voltage of say an amputee when you looked at the picture the missing limb would reappear.
Likewise with a leaf from a bush. I do recall perhaps 10 years ago watching a video of a portable camera made to operate on the principle, and the shots of flowing water, and life force going into people were truly amazing.. I can find nothing similar on the web now. More suppression I suspect.
Here are some shots though Kirlian Imaging Reel - YouTube When the portable cameras were available they could also accurately detect illness in a body. (allegedly) this is 2nd generation Scientist photographed soul leaving the body in death 2nd part - YouTube as all ways form your own conclusion in the absence of proof! A reasonable guess for the shot though !
I don't know if you have seen it, if not, you may want to...

The Afterlife Investigations - Movie Feature - The Scole Experiments. - YouTube

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Breakthrough scientific evidence for the afterlife. The Scole Experiments. For five years a group of mediums and scientists witnessed more phenomena than in any other experiment in the history of the paranormal, including recorded conversations with the dead, written messages on sealed film, video of spirit faces and even spirit forms materializing. These experiments may finally convince you there is life after death. The scientific team in change of overseeing these experiments include world renowned Cambridge Scientist - Dr. Rupert Sheldrake, Dr. David Fontana and Researcher Montague Keen who died during the filming of the documentary.
before you jump your guns, this is for now a side note , and aimed at the curious mind
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Tesla's writings/comments are peppered with references to the white light/spark/discharge/streams/flames/brilliance etc.

The attached file shows a Homemade Tesla transformer emitting white discharges.
What do you guys see here...is there some sort of circular cable or is it just like that

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What do you guys see here...is there some sort of circular cable or is it just like that


That's a time lapse photo, MonsieurM. It could be a ring to help induce streamers. When people make time lapse streamer photo's they do all kinds of things of course.

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Thank you Farmhand, when i saw it i thought that looked a bit too perfect


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I also found this:More of my antique diathermy machine (Tesla Coil) Wireless Electricity! - YouTube



for color comparison here is a previous pic posted:




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These machines that bedevil radio communications are strange crossbreeds between the dissimilar sciences of electronics and medicine. Their history and present use are filled with hopeful promise for the art of healing, yet clouded by so many false notions that it seems timely to sift fact from fancy and tell plainly what these machines can and cannot do.

“Live” Test Rig. The idea of beaming a concentrated field of radio waves into the human body may seem odd at first. But we must remember that the science of electricity has from its beginnings been allied with biology. The twitching frog leg was the first indicator of electric current, long before the electroscope or other indicating instruments were invented. The effect of electricity on living organisms has ever since been a subject of research.

Convulsion—the sickening cramp most of us have experienced as an “electric shock”—was the only known human reaction to electricity. This occurred with direct current or with alternating current of low frequency, such as ordinary, 60-cycle house current. Toward the end of the last century, fast-turning generators made it possible to step up the alternating current to several thousand cycles per second. It was then discovered that such currents did not cause the familiar and often lethal convulsion.

The French scientist d’Arsonval (remembered chiefly for his invention of the modern meter movement) experimented courageously along these lines, with himself as chief guinea pig. In 1891, using a ¦ newly invented spark-gap generator, he revved up his a.c. to a million cycles. Then he did something seemingly suicidal. He hooked himself into the circuit, holding a light bulb to see if he was “drawing juice.” Everyone was shocked except d’Arsonval. When the bulb lit up, all he felt was a pleasant, relaxing warmth deep inside his body. D’Arsonval didn’t know it, but he had just given himself the world’s first diathermy treatment.

Brief Hope. Radio, the new wonder of the 1920′s, provided the next big push.

Vacuum-tube oscillators made it possible to control the frequency used for medical treatment within narrow limits, rather than spray out a broad band as did the old spark generator. Particularly, the newly developed short-wave circuits suggested the possibility of aiming focused radio beams at diseased parts of the body.

In 1924, Dr. Schereschewsky succeeded in killing a malignant tumor with 150-megacycle waves. This announcement created a sensation. It was front-page news to the public. Even medical journals dreamed of bloodless surgery, in which the short-wave electrode would replace the knife. To doctors and the public alike, this seemed like the millenium of medicine. For the surgeon’s knife, though it can halt decay and sometimes repair damage, can never accomplish positive good. Surgeons themselves, though confident and practiced in their art, often share their patients’ sense of mystic dread—for cutting of the living body brings to mind that all flesh is mortal and that the realm of medicine is ultimately powerless against the greater domain of death
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Just how it works, nobody knows. The patient is placed between antenna-type electrodes—but what happens within the body is still a mystery. We know that heat is generated by the motion of molecules, and apparently the molecules of the body are stirred into a fast jig by the fluctuations of the high-frequency field. But aside from mere heat, there seems to be some unique organic effect having to do with still unknown forms of physiological energy transformation.

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Guys you should read the comments, I think you'll find them quite interesting

What You Should Know About DIATHERMY

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Just learned more about this subject than I’d ever have guessed:
Medical diathermy devices were used to disrupt German radio signals during the Blitz.



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from: The Golden Tractate of Hermes Trismegistus applied to electromagnetism

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check this out





5 Million Volt Tesla Coil Charged Pyramid - YouTube

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I posted this a long while back

Randall Cole Roffe: Harmonic Resonance, there is something to what he says (not necessarily agree with it all ) that resonates with the tractate...for some reasons i keep going back to his article. But i have to add as you said it is important to "finding a way where there seems to be no way", in other words look beyond what you have been taught, and keep your mind open, because the answer maybe found in places that you would consider unreliable as a whole.

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If we take a good look -- and listen -- at the whole of manifestation, and apply the principles of acoustics and music, and of the color wheel, the grand pattern that emerges is self-evident.More
than this, a possible explanation of a medium of transmission of a universal electrogravitational influence, as a plenum far more fundamental than an ether, becomes apparent. With this realization a
whole new understanding of physics also emerges, with awesome possibilities.
Randall Cole Roffe



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Tariel Coil

Hi, at the end of Kapanadze video 5 kw, when the guy deposit the coil on the table, it seems heavy, would it be ferrite or iron inside ???

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Thanks for the links. .... Kokomoj0

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Important: It should be noted that this thread is a reposatory of observations talked about or observed or captured on camera....

As Duncan mentioned, there maybe nothing to it but if others made similar observations with a variety of visual effect and cared to share with us this information...It could prove to be of valuable use to you and you reaching your desired goal...No Avenue should remain unexplored...this is Fringe science


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Found this video....but no description...I did metion it in a previous post in another thread....





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also I know some people talked about associating a spark plug and a magnet :





Neodymium Magnet High Voltage Rotating Spark, arc, plasma - YouTube

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a little surprise: related to what i just posted

plasma forcefield! - YouTube

Plasma Forcefield melting metal - YouTube




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Alright here goes two more pics.....



Tesla 50,000 Volts Violet Ray Generator - YouTube

Tesla Coil 50000 Volt Electricity - YouTube



from High Frequency Currents: Oudin, Tesla>, d'Arsonval, Piffard, Violet Rays, Auto-Conduction, Auto-Condensation. Dr. Sinclair Tousey

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When the vacuum electrode is placed in contact with the patient it will light up with a violet color the same as it would if attached to a high-frequency apparatus, but the sensation produced in the patient is entirely different, being of a vibratory character; it is, in fact, when used in this way in conjunction with a static machine simply a method of applying the wave-current by means of vacuum electrodes. This current has a certain therapeutic value, but should not be called a high-frequency current. It will be referred to as vibratory current (Figs. 329 and 330).


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One very simple test to demonstrate physically the difference between this current and either form of high-frequency current is to have the subject come in contact with the metal part which holds the vacuum electrode. When this is connected with the static machine as above described, you will experience a very disagreeable shock, whereas, when it is connected with a high-frequency current no sensation other than that of having a slight feeling of warmth will be experienced. Vacuum electrodes are used in this same way with an induction-coil, the strength of current being regulated by the distance A and B are separated.

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not like dat like dis Replika Kapanadze expr.4 - YouTube
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check this video out...I'll post a pic:

Electricity from the air Crystal Radio - YouTube

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I attached an LED light to my crystal radio and it worked surprisingly well..
I found the Schematic for this Crystal Radio on Jim McNutt's web site. It was called the Pixie 2 His web site is WA6OTP


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