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Old 11-15-2011, 07:34 PM
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Cheers and yeah...bit like Edison going to sleep on the lab floor, i've been up overnights on this stuff and thoroughly enjoying it.
Also realised that I mispelled pigeon

Here's a 'not only but also'.
As described as a test above, a 1.2V 120mAh Ni-MH thoroughly discharged battery was connected up (has sat next to its regular charger for months).
Here are the readings as logged:


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1.2V 120mA Ni-MH considered 'flat'
Test conducted while circuit running, as per Pigeon Loft video

12.33 0.840V
12.34 1.000V
12.35 1.100V - slow down in charge rate noticed
12.37 1.125V
12.48 1.185V
12.53 1.194V
12.58 1.199V
13.03 1.203V

The longer the time connected, the more current available.
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Hi ALL, Thanks Johny , slider et all for the vids, We are gonna try and stick to the original for now, thanks to the many talented people we have here and at heretical builders , we have started to try replicate this effect, i am going to get help and try and find others with equipment near our area to see if they can assist in helping the Aussie PSEC replicators, crawling only with this thing ATM.

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Slider's "Walgreen Tower" replication

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For months now I have wanted to build one of your "Walgreen Tower" (pill bottle) exciters. Yesterday I finally made one and played with it all day using it on a Slayer Exciter circuit. Today I got it to work on a modified Dr. Stiffler SEC circuit design. It is a neat little tower and works amazingly well.
I also worked with it driving Penny wirelessly with an earth ground connected to an AV plug attached to her input clip leads. These "Penny" circuits will run off "local energy" from house CFLs also I found out.
I am like you in that once I get going on something it is hard to stop. Some nights I have to force myself to go to bed. This is all very interesting stuff but I agree with you that trying to make a PSEC is probably way beyond the "kitchen table" lab level.

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PSEC vs. SEC

Would it be correct to say the The Dr. in his SEC studies, first amplified a spatial resonant frequency using a bit of power input and a transistor, whereas, now, with the PSEC, there is no transistor, no amplification other than what occurs with inductors and capacitors and resistors, couplers? What part does the ground play, he gets the ground from an instrument? Is this a true earth ground or a mains ground? Thanks
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@Lidmotor - It's so cool to see another Walgreen out there !
One envisaged application of these small towers, is within setting up a SEC type device. I dunno about you, but I had difficulty matching up inductors that will run, never mind if the whole circuit actually worked or not. By using a known system of a small tower and internal coil as you did, a circuit can be known to run and then inductors trialed.

In Dr. Stiffler's videos he normally shows a Ground lead running to a piece of test equipment.
I may be wrong, but I see the Ground as a base, a different reference frequency but a known one. With my own but apparently effective method of using the mains grounding system in collaboration with a stake outside (which I still haven't worked out how it works) there is a big ramping effect. If a system uses such a reference, then the possibility exists to bring in virtual Grounds after a tune up and run with no wires to anything. It would explain the importance of the metal mass in his videos.
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[QUOTE=Slider2732;167284]@Lidmotor - It's so cool to see another Walgreen out there !
One envisaged application of these small towers, is within setting up a SEC type device. I dunno about you, but I had difficulty matching up inductors that will run, never mind if the whole circuit actually worked or not. By using a known system of a small tower and internal coil as you did, a circuit can be known to run and then inductors trialed.

In Dr. Stiffler's videos he normally shows a Ground lead running to a piece of test equipment.
I may be wrong, but I see the Ground as a base, a different reference frequency but a known one. With my own but apparently effective method of using the mains grounding system in collaboration with a stake outside (which I still haven't worked out how it works) there is a big ramping effect. If a system uses such a reference, then the possibility exists to bring in virtual Grounds after a tune up and run with no wires to anything. It would explain the importance of the metal mass in his videos.
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It seems that WHERE you do these experiments makes a difference. Some people can light an LED right off the ground but I can't. I would really like to see another researcher who works in a RF lab replicate Dr. Stiffler's PSEC. I don't think that we stand a chance. We would need at least a good spectrum analyser to tell us what we were seeing.

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And a bit of common sense over here
Earlier, I extended to charging high voltage caps..the idea being to let the system charge up a 150uF 200V cap and see if the discharge would light a neon.
Well...when it charged to 20V, I wondered what kind of wireless output would be derived at that quick blip discharge of voltage.
Pressed the little button to connect into the circuit
That killed the C2785 transistor i've been using good and proper
Well, I now perhaps have an upgraded circuit, after finding a PN2222A on an old house phone
So there we are, transistor instantaneous destruction by using no conventional power.

As to location, my Ground is out of the window in the next room. The stake itself is a piece of steel not copper, of 1" diameter and 6" length. Didn't think it would be much good, but seems to be fine. Wire distance is 10ft, if that, and we've had plenty of rain recently. No need to grow daffodils with watering like Tesla probably did.

I fully agree about the spectrum analyser. In the video where he moves the two coils forward and back until the 13MHz spike occurs, that's the ticket for this. You have to actually see where each turn unwound or item moved plays a part in the complete system.
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Hi Lidmotor.Great experiment with the walgreen tower and I would say that what you have there is actually a new variant exciter as you have added direct induction to the Docs sec as a method of generating HV so a double wammy and i bet it would look strange on your scope.Really nice.
Regarding Lighting leds of house grounds.I am in the same position as you and I can't light one downstairs but my house has three floors and if i go to the top of the house it will light
@Slider.Really nice work and the Leds in your latest vid look really bright and I think you have found something really important that can be developed.You mentioned in a comment that you are seeing a constant 62.8VAC at the cap.Maybe you could try a voltage multiplier circuit and bump this voltage up and that may brighten the leds up some more.
I hope to be joining you on this experiment and i will be banging a 5 foot copper pipe into the ground tomorrow .Truly inspiring work going on by all.Jonny
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Having a rethink here and borrowing a technique of Mr. Lidmotor's to do it - Radio !
Seems obvious now, but, been moving my AM radio around the circuit when it is both powered on conventionally and when it is running from just the Grounds.
When running from the Grounds, the signals are at certain places, high notes, buzzes, warbles. When conventionally powered (at the touch of a button to swap from one to the other) the notes change. However, some areas remain exactly the same and have the same intensity too
The L3 affects reception to 6", but, increases to different distances as a shape. It's not rounded out, it's probably a sort of oval and we know Dr. Stiffler raises his L3. My desk is wooden too. Will spend some time mapping this, then will make changes and see if the field shape changes. I'm wondering if field changes relate to frequency of running and that we might look for a shape or signal output change at 13MHz resonance.
Hope that makes sense.

Hoping to do more with the AC yeah Jonny. It's a weird output, because it diminishes to about 0.7V with a DC load. DC reading on the meter at the moment is 29V, AC is showing 63.1V...so about half for DC, which would be right.
Been looking at a Cockroft-Walton circuit
Cockcroft–Walton generator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

About lighting LED's to good brightness.
Take a wall adapter that has an on/off switch and plug it into the wall. Leave the switch in the off position.
Solder an AV plug to the negative lead from the adapter.
Solder an LED to the AV plug.
Take your outside Ground wire and attach it to an LED leg.
You should see the LED come on
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In doing my daily research on the web I found this article on Avramenko. It was a reminder of how all of this is tied to Tesla and his ideas on how best to transmit energy. The AV plug is an important aspect of what we are experimenting with. Dr. Stiffler's PSEC relies on it.

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Very relevant and a great read
(A coagulator sounds like the function of a persons nose who has the flu).
Google Chrome didn't link over to the article when the link was pressed, but did when selected to open the link in a new window...just in case anyone else has any troubles that way. It might be something funky with my internet provider though, being as the site is Russian.

In the method described above, of at least partially lighting an LED with no body capacitance, everything is ramped up by the Avramenko method.
The LED bank in The Pigeon Loft has the single wire coming in from the L3, splits at the AV plug and runs through the LED's in series.
The 2 pin output connection is derived from the outputs of the AV plug, goes through the mains voltage 105K capacitor and out to tester circuits etc.

2 conditions so far known may explain the present AC voltage of 63.5V:
A huge potential increase by using the diode function of each chained LED.
Or, an induction effect from the mains supply makes it through the switched off wall adapter and the voltage represents losses, compared to the mains voltage that actually sits within the wall outlet.
I'm more inclined to believe the losses scenario at this time.

To make the head scratching turn into a snowfall of dandruff, the readings when taken from a straight AV plug split of the negative rail from the wall adapter are hugely different.
Using 1N4148's, the AC reading is 2.00V, the DC reading is 2.13V
Placing a similar mains rated capacitor across that AV plug produces AC 2.10V and DC 2.04V



A direct connection of a 'Penny' oscillator to the AV plug and wall adapter Negative wire produces nothing. However, connection to the output pins and cap derived from the LED bank of The Pigeon Loft has been demonstrated to run the oscillator.
It's that source which Jonny mentions, for the ramping of power and, which will be the next part of expanding this concept
In experiments the other day, I was able to pulse the main circuit to fire as a full SEC. Placement of a PC heatsink metal mass and linking through various tested capacitors, could bring slow pulses at high illumination of the onboard LED's of the SEC or more constant but lower illumination.
Testing whether it was truly running or not, by placing my AM radio next to the transistor, clicks could be heard as the transistor fired.
Lidmotor you might agree - The 'Penny' circuits operate similarly...a constant light but low LED output can be changed to a much stronger but flashing output. Capacitance matters !
Ramping that discharge, to a constant replenished level will drive the SEC without conventional input power and produce a version of the PSEC.
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I think if we can find a way to step up voltage from milivolts range, we can light up anything. If I have a 1 volts, I can use an oscillator to boost up to 100 volts, but how can you step up to higher voltage with a .1 volts source. I think this is the secret of the PSEC. Maybe using coil in resonance we can.

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Nice work Slider!
thanks for keeping all that open. I seem to recall Dr Stiffler mentioned someplace that we all need to loose the power supplies - there are many things that go on in his ckt that can be effected by them.
anyway, you've got an awesome tenacious apatite for all this. I look forward to the continued success.
here is an example of one reason we would want to eliminate power supplies, building, and other equipment grounds from the SEC builds.
Strange oscillating affect...Psec Maybe? - YouTube
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here is an example of one reason we would want to eliminate power supplies, building, and other equipment grounds from the SEC builds.
Strange oscillating affect...Psec Maybe? - YouTube
PS- Dr Stiffler has extensive experience in this field so I'm sure he has monitored his ground and that it is clean. As for me, I would not know where to begin...
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Notice to all: Pigeons included.
Last night I made my version of the AV plug. But saw no effects to show or tell.
So, I thought, well, I must not have gotten it right. No pigeon roust, could be the reason why...
But, today the plug started to work, very dimly at first, and better as I started to figure out what it likes, and doesn't like. Boy, it is one sensitive instrument, and my only one, at that, as even my volt meter petered out on me. So much for all the needed test gear, and stuff. So, damn the torpedoes, pigeons, and what not, we're going in... barehanded.
Anyways, I also connected a ground wire to a big cement pot outside my house, and although it's not the greatest ground, it did work with my new AV instrument.
So, wow, I thought, I'm in like Flynn, and the pigeons.
To be continued, Part ll tomorrow.

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Fun experiments.
It brings up something important, to explore, work through and thoroughly enjoy ourselves. It's easy to get disheartened when we see things happen that have well known nothing new answers. Is that this ? I dunno.

The chap in the video showed how test equipment can be a bugbear, rather than another animal, or bird.
We'll feather this all out and let's hope they are not peacock tail feathers !

Capacitive coupling is my hope. A non draining, non energy absorbing inductive disaster. If this all works because of a similar effect as a strand on a Bedini motor, then it may be that energy is being used that would normally radiate away into the air.
If you place a gauss meter near to anything electrical and particularly the power supply/transformer, the needle will spike right up (we have a Dr. Gauss and a K2 for paranormal forays).
That is radiated and wasted energy.
Does something like the Pigeon Loft simply use that otherwise wasted energy ?
What of the PSEC...I know full well that resonance and years of experienece beat any negative thoughts, even though we know about these multi-Ground potential differences.
Very cool vid that you posted minoly


One last thing - check out this picture from last nights solderings and notice what that is that's lit up, near the bottom of the pic:

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That looks great, but, will it fly? The poor thing, It has no feathers...
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Did some reading today, right back to 2007, over at OU forum.
Within a lot of ego trips was some very cool information. Notably, the use of loopstick assemblies from AM radios..well that was exactly what I wished to understand, to better get a grasp on what is going on in Dr. Stiffler's latest work with the coils.
It's ok winding an L3, but the how's and why's and long route he must have taken to arrive at that design were what were missing from own knowledge.
Some interesting phenomenon appeared, when using identical loopsticks - probably mainly showing how far off my own matching has been via trial and error.

For grins, I made one of his 9 turn 18 gauge primary and loopstick innard secondaries (2 wire center tap points that the loopstick came with were soldered together).
No ferrite piece was used.
Flung a Slayer exciter together and tried it out.
The circuit consists of a 100K resistor, C2785 transistor and a yellow LED.
Current draw is 20mA at the 1.5V running voltage.
It worked !

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There's a lot more filtration going on there than in domestic water supplies !
Hmm...not horrendous to build though
Anyone know of equivalents to the Analog Devices components ?

News here - the experiments on my bench have courted some interest on YouTube and that's great to see. Some of whom I hope will further the project.
If so, we'll get this down faster than a 12 bore shotgun aimed at a pigeon

But, much potential disharmony has been caused by thoughts on the switched off wall adapter. It's switched off....problem ?
So, in aims of removing some thoughts, I removed the wall adapter !
Here's a vid, just uploaded, which shows wireless power from just the outside pipe stuck in the Earth

Zero input voltage wireless - now no wall adapter ! - YouTube
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Here's something of possibly broader interest than just the PSEC type experiments - a paper coil.
In fact, here's the story.......
I was looking at the L3 coils and the dimensions etc, plus knowing how Dr. Stiffler uses pieces of foil to offset capacitances. Then combined that with the knowledge recently acquired about the construction of electrolytic capacitors.
So, taking a sheet of A4, it was cut to half width, full length. I put a piece of aluminium foil on top of it and rolled it up like a 1960's music festival patron might.
Thinking of calling it a 'doob coil'

Here it is, with output lead from a traditional L3 coil type fed into the middle of it. Works if people don't want to wind coils too. Zero voltage input for the pic below and field shown.

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Old 12-02-2011, 02:06 AM
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After I watched your video, I'm thinking that what we may be seeing is somewhat the same thing.
I thought that you and any others might want to check out this new thread started today at Heredical Builders. It's about the effects that we are noticing and some other guys as well, with the Av plugs and leds lighting off of the different ground connections.
Exploring the Avramenko Plug - Heretical Builders
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Thanks. Yes, interesting thread
The 15 LED's are the same as the 1 LED, except I found that a small ultrabright green worked better than a white. Then the rest of the spares that I had because of running out of whites made the useful 'power gauge'. The 5 greens will light very readily (as shown in videos) but it's really weird that even so, the others that aren't lighting still conduct. After all, each green is in series with a yellow and a red as I have them wired in lines top to bottom.
The Ground feed has to be to the AV plug, then that splits so the LED's run around in series. The other feed, or a hand, then touches 1 of the LED side legs of the AV plug.
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I made another AV plug last night, but it lights up much less than the first one, probably the In4001 diodes that I'm using on it. Which diodes have you found to work best on the Av plugs, so far?
It's important to find just the right led(s) also, for this purpose, as they are all different in relation to how they work with this kind energy.
I've been working on incrementing the brightness on the leds, or power output. It may not be the real thing, but it acts sort of like it.
If we could just get the proper starting size, wire lenght and dimensions for L1,L2 and L3 the coils, for this grounds frequency, that would help alot.
Any ideas are welcome.
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Apologies for the picture quality, it's from a webcam because my usual camera is rubbish at close ups.



It shows the type i've found to be most effective for size and throughput reasons. I'd like to know the designation, but have no idea as everything here is from salvaged PCB's.
Main thing are those two red with yellow band diodes on the 15 LED board, which only appear to drop 50mV. In tests against 1N4148's, they were equivalent on a AV plug. So I don't think they have any betterment of those popular ones...but, they are smaller and that suits when building small circuit boards.
To the right, is one of those diodes still on a PCB.
Above, are a germanium, a 1N4148 and a 1N4007 for size comparisons.

Where I am at, is now trying to incorporate known crystal radio effects. The low drop diodes, ferrite coils and outside Ground have me thinking we're really not very far away at all from such similarities AND i feel that may be why my setup works differently to other peoples !
Is that a revelation or what ?!
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Thanks, for the info. If you know the diode number that works best that would be better, as the picture is not that clear, and hard to get an idea from.
Johnny Davro was mentioning that the L1 can be can be somewhat forgiving, and can be a wide range of inductors, but that the L2 in another thing.
It would be nice to just use known inductors instead of having to wind coils ourselves.
If find that I can get the same effect when connecting just one wire to my cement battery bank, as I do to the outside ground.
So, the idea is to take the small input from the outside ground and use that to resonate some coils, to increment the output?
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Old 12-04-2011, 12:42 AM
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Yeah, that's what i'm stuck on, I don't have the exact part number. It's just a popular small signal diode that's red, with a yellow band at one end

For inductors, - Red/Red/Brown (220uH) work in the load sensing circuit I posted in the recent video.
For coils - the rolled up 1/2 sheet of A4 with foil 'doob coil' also works well.

The basis of my ideas is to use the known effect, of lighting an LED in the hand with an outside Ground. That much appears to be a solid enough known experiment.
With just 39uA from my setup, it would also appear evident that we're not exactly in massive power potential territory.
However...for wireless energy, we focus on output voltage, frequency and resonance, not amperage. So, that's the forwarding plan.
LED's don't need 2.5V and 25mA, that's with old fashioned hammer style electric power. Neither do CFL's, fuoro's and LED lightbulbs need the quantities of electricity stated on their packaging.
And, of course nothing, at least in lighting, needs to have a closed circuit and 2 wires to operate.

From getting a basic oscillator to produce wireless energy, we can focus on moving up the scales. Those scales need to tip in the favour of increased output, but may decrease the size gains that one day may enable all of a device to fit in the base of a conventional looking bulb (an inverse thought there lol).
Along the way, PSEC type effects may be seen...which won't BE the Dr. Stiffler device, but will operate to look like it. Just a different method of creating an end result of visually similar output.
What is for certain, is that when I reconnected the switched off wall adapter to the circuit shown in the last video, the output was greatly enhanced compared to previous experiments. The 2 coils that look like L3's mustn't be too far apart in terms of Q. They are physically different in diameter, so I wound the thinner one with a few turns more of the same gauge of wire. It didn't seem to do much, as completely expected, so I took a couple of turns off just to see that nothing changed. Well, that was a guess based thing and yet now see's the pair produce a field 3X the former best that was achieved. Focusing on the smaller and smaller powers can therefore ramp a circuit output when reconnected another way.
Or, to put it another way, it seems I tuned it by guesstimated luck and had to, with the reduced power, to get anything at all.
Interestingly, nothing is now gained when introducing ferrite to either or both of those 2 coils.

An AM radio is really helping. I built a 'thing' last night that needs to be forwarded and based on those crystal set thoughts.
A variable capacitor from a radio sits across a ferrite loopstick. One end of the loopstick goes to a 1 wire (of about 40 gauge) that goes around my livingroom horizontally (for 1 wire lighting experiments). The other goes to the Earth Ground.
Moving the ferrite piece to just 1 particular spot inside the loopstick introduces a high pitched noise out of the AM radio. Moving the vari cap or touching it, produces raising and lowering tones. The sounds change depending where I put that when the exciter circuit is operating.
I'm looking for a tone change, that signifies resonance. Dunno if it even exists.
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Old 12-04-2011, 02:53 PM
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@ Slider and All:
I'm still working on this grounds current thing, but, now I see that there is nothing more to this than just Ac leakage, even when using an outside ground only. That is because the hand touching the Av plug is making contact with the Ac leaked current in the house, which goes through ones body, or through the other things available. Same goes for the oscillator.
With the above in mind I'm plugging forward. Although this idea can be used to dimly light leds, it's not what I'm interested in, because when there is no Ac power, there won't be any leds lighting, either. So, what's the point...
If you just turn off the Ac power to your house for a minute, you'll see all the leds will go out. NO USE BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE...
As yourself and others are probably already aware of this, the solution is to back track a bit and use the Docs original three coils methods instead, Illusive as it may be.
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Old 12-04-2011, 05:21 PM
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@ Slider and All:
I'm still working on this grounds current thing, but, now I see that there is nothing more to this than just Ac leakage, even when using an outside ground only. That is because the hand touching the Av plug is making contact with the Ac leaked current in the house, which goes through ones body, or through the other things available. Same goes for the oscillator.
With the above in mind I'm plugging forward. Although this idea can be used to dimly light leds, it's not what I'm interested in, because when there is no Ac power, there won't be any leds lighting, either. So, what's the point...
If you just turn off the Ac power to your house for a minute, you'll see all the leds will go out. NO USE BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE...
As yourself and others are probably already aware of this, the solution is to back track a bit and use the Docs original three coils methods instead, Illusive as it may be.
NickZ

@Nick,

thats too bad, I was really enjoying entertaining the idea that stiffler really had something that could be expanded upon in that area, but I whole heartedly agree, especially for people who are looking to get off grid, why waste time on dead ends when there are other devices to work on to that end.

There are still a couple of areas that I find intriguing however and that is the 1.094 resonance points off center and the harmonics being developed.

excellent work btw
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