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O2 Sensor modification using spark plug non-foulers

This is specifically on this exact modification. I already installed it on one car a 91 Honda Civic DX 1.5 liter 4 speed. That is my gas mileage car. I have achieved 43mpg in the city in the past with different things coupled with sunday driving habits.

On average with RXP fuel additive I get about 35mpg in the city and without I get about 30 in the city on a 10 gallon tank.

Cost me about 8 bucks and did it today. That link has details and I made a pdf with pics and other info about how I did it.

Hey guys and gals..
I just completed installation of a hydrogen booster (hydrogen on demand type) on my wife's 93 Lincoln Continental which is a V6 with just over a hundred thou miles. Low miles for a 93. Anyway, I used the park plug non-foulers for the O2 sensor. This car has always, since new, gotten really good mileage (24 to 30, depending on driving conditions, fuel quality and just being right, I guess.. After the hydro booster, just the first 6 mile run at 55mph, with cruise control on really good highway (I live in southern Louisiana, just try to find a good highway. LOL . Anyway my initial run average, according to dashboard indicator, 33-37mph. VERY good for the trial run, will let you know how it does as we go along.. I sell those books on Water4Gas on my website, if anyone should happen to want them for research or whatever, I'd appreciate a shot... Thanks Garry

http://garrydbalis.com

I got a HHO gen on a 97 gmc 1/2ton with a 350 geting a + of 3-mpg. Workingon a 84 one ton with a 460 cu in. I'm trying tfine out how much is to much HHO as I woul like to just plug it in and go. Lt of ppl would like one but dont kno enought about them or wht they will do if you over boost. My generators put out about 1 LPM. I'm working on trying to make them fo tractors and farm trucks, whichwill handle alotmore HHO. I just put on the defulers on my GMC, willetyou know how it works when Iget a bigger genrator on it.

Also Clean the throttle plates with your fingers and Carb Cleaner. Fords are real bad for building up gunk on the throttle plates.

Can anybody take the time to explain simply what the Protium Oxyisolator is?
Is it like the thing in the Dpapers that leans the signal out to the computer from the O2 sensor. Hows it differ?

Thanks
Matt

The Protium Oxyisolator is just a O2 extender.

more here
Products of Protium Fuel Systems Research & Development

Marlin

Please note- it is possible that the O2 sensor "isolators" CANNOT WORK! They do exactly opposite of what is claimed. The O2 sensor output would have to be RAISED in voltage to lean out the mix. Taking the sensor out of the exhaust stream lowers the temperature, which LOWERS the voltage and causes the ECU to richen up the fuel air mix ratio! It also can cause the sensors to foul prematurely.

This seems to be the $64xxx question. The solution to 02 sensor sending a false signal for richer fuel mix. Thus defeating the hydroxy purpose as a fuel substitute...

So it seems the EFFIE is the way to signal the ECU (Engine Control) and get the variable fuel mix wanted by user switching.

It appears that the reseach is pointing in the direction away from the CO2 extenders and foil wraps. Does everyone agree that a electronic solution like EFFIE style is the better way at this point?

W

Wpage: I concur on that, the O2 extension may provide a marginal adjustment to the fuel control input but the Effie gives us a completely controllable system that will let our vehicles computer do what it was intended to and still give us the fuel economy.
I still want my truck to climb a hill or adjust to varying road conditions on its own.

Hey Tarkus,

I am a mechanic/fabricator and am in the near future going to be working on a system that will tie in with the Effie and monitor engine load via the map sensor circuit, therefore detecting engine load as it happens. It shouldn't be a real problem to come up with a "package deal" that would make almost any hydroxy system alot more user friendly. As my first built cell is still in the conditioning phase, I have not started working on this yet, but will post my findings as soon as I start playing with it. I am new to this whole thing, so if anyone else has tried something like this I would be grateful for any info on their findings. Thanks to all, for a wonderful forum.....................

No need for the MAP sensor monitor. The EFIE's that are designed right, automatically adjust to load using the Systems already in place by the factory ECU.

Any of them that use the LM3914 IC.....I have a kit that is available for now that I put together for the forum members. Its in the Members Only Sub Forum...

Redmeanie's efie info is here: http://www.energeticforum.com/energy If you go there and cannot see the messages or post, then send an email to (info @ esmhome.org) and ask for membership approval. Of course you have to register for the board first, then if you can't get in there for 1-2 days send the email.

We approve 100% of every membership manually based on our own protocols and that is why you virtually never see spam here, etc... Anyway, we often have over 50 people a day registering 7 days a week so that is why it might take a day or 2 to be able to post once registering.

Hi Adam.
What Brown's Gas generator are you talking about? The only one I know of is Danny Klien's in Clearwater, Fl. & last I checked it was $7,000.
I agree with Aaron, stay away from Dennis Lee's stuff. Your impression of him seems accurate, that's why his stuff is so pricey.
Al.

Thanks Aaron and Redmeanie, I will go there and look.

Just a little info on my two cars.

1994 Ols Tornoda When I hooked up my booster I lost .6 miles to gallon.
I had heard about using a 1.5 volt battery to add a little voltage. This I did and I was able to increase mileage by 8 MPG. But only for a short time and then the computer corrected what it seen as a problem and I was back to square one.

I ordered one of Red's efie controllers and when I get it I think I will get my 8 + a little more back. I will shoot for 50% increase.

My other car

1998 Subura Outback When I hooked up my booster Which was today, For 134 mile highway trip I got 36.2. befor HHO 28.1 up about 30 %

I believe it will go over 40 mpg with efie. My long term trim went up to 12.6%. I believe this will go down with the efie. Which will increase my mpg.

This is cool stuff. I didn't know that we could do so much with so little.

Thanks for this site.
Marlin:

Currently have three signals: two 02 sensors and one MAF sensor.

Can I get by with modifying the 02 signals or will I need to modify all three?

The readings are a little gray on this aspect and Im not sure which way to go.

Danny

You only need to modify the signal from the "Pre Catalytic Converter O2 Sensor(s)"

O2 Sensor Extension Harness

I saw this up in the Energy section and have to ask this question. The way Im reading it is you disconnect the plug from the 02 sensor, plug the extension into the 02 plug connector, and connect the other end to the EFIE (after cutting off the other end of course.)

This about the right of it? This way your EFIE is tied in directly to the ECU for 02 inputs.

Danny

Yes, You would just basically splice into the "Extension Harness" Signal wire. This would make your connection without cutting any factory wires. I would only do this if you lease your vehicle or something along those lines. At $24 a piece it can add some $$$$ to an install..