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Thanks T-1000... If your using video signal generators I'm most likely going to have to find another way if it's possible. I don't have the funds to invest in any equipment at this point in time. Have to use what I have, I'm stuck with lots of parts and my creativity for now.
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Thanks T-1000... If your using video signal generators I'm most likely going to have to find another way if it's possible. I don't have the funds to invest in any equipment at this point in time. Have to use what I have, I'm stuck with lots of parts and my creativity for now.
There is only basic concept in wiki.

Any circuit from old TV set would do a job because their design is to control horizontal and vertical refresh on display. You will need 3 of them(2 in beginning):
One for 51 turns coil resonance;
Second for 50Hz(+/- few hertz) on 15 turns coil;
Last one for making spike signal on copper plates with ferrite core resonant frequency (emulate spark gap discharge and that is experimental and is not tested properly):
http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/4_spagep_kontur.jpg

P.S> HV discharge or generator should fire on 50hz(15 turns coil) and resonant wave peaks(51 turns coil), in ideal world, where they intersect on top(bottom part of pic): http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/5.png

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@T-1000, will circuits from computer monitors work? I have a bunch of B&W units from the 80's ... ?
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@T-1000, will circuits from computer monitors work? I have a bunch of B&W units from the 80's ... ?
Could do, they had almost same screens as TV sets
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There is only basic concept in wiki.

Any circuit from old TV set would do a job because their design is to control horizontal and vertical refresh on display. You will need 3 of them(2 in beginning):
One for 51 turns coil resonance;
Second for 50Hz(+/- few hertz) on 15 turns coil;
Last one for making spike signal on copper plates with ferrite core resonant frequency (emulate spark gap discharge and that is experimental and is not tested properly):
http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/4_spagep_kontur.jpg

P.S> HV discharge or generator should fire on 50hz(15 turns coil) and resonant wave peaks(51 turns coil), in ideal world, where they intersect on top(bottom part of pic): http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/5.png

Good luck!
Hi T-1000

What kind of signal we need for tuning...

Square, sine, something else? what frequency range?

PS...you are doing awesome things on this....I'm excited just by reading all this
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A shot in the dark

Those who have read my inane scribble before would be aware that I try and follow the thinking the actions and even the good fortune of the “inventors” I also because of crass ignorance am forced to follow the unscientific route of “instinct” so what I write here may or may not help you It is however food for thought. And I rather hope It will trigger a flash in one of you.
You are dealing with high speed interacting magnetic fields this video link .gogreenbuildyourownmotionlesssolidstatefreeenergy. flv - YouTube was originally posted by someone called “mindfreer” from there I would like you to try to link (mentally) to this MindFreer's Channel - YouTube a/ also mindfree'r b/ rapidly moving magnetic flux and c/ This video has also been erased off you tube
There have been very few successful replications because a quirk of the system is the first drive has to be speed controllable and very efficient.
That led me to consider where the origins of this machine might have been formed and that leads to some almost forgotten work done in the 1950s combining the observation and experimentation of a French Prof Professor Maurice Allais - a genius before his time - as are they all Who noticed and then proved an anomaly in the action of the simple pendulum The work of the good prof was picked up by a particularly skilled watch and Clockmaker who went on to construct a mini mechanical universe complete with gravity and magnetism
In order to prove the work of Prof Allais. This work drives a coach and horses through current teaching.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-8...6/IMG00066.GIF
Raoul Hatem made no attempt to patent his OU work who's benefit to the public good is obvious .
neither did he wish to attract the attention of of the American sharks and so for a long time he has been helping people install multi KW working systems like this one
https://picasaweb.google.com/1024132...98427564668818


Unfortunately certain American “concerns” have got to hear and taken an interest in the system and have been trying to patent and profit from it (or bury it). This has forced a very reluctant Leon to patent the system. Himself after some 50 years.and hundreds of working systems.New Free Energy by George Mitchell - YouTube repulsive un ? yeh tell your president Mayer did!
It would however be very pleasant to be able to get to a standard mathematical base and so make a static version (which I believe is exactly what you are working on) The advantage seems to come from forced forward synchronous slip, although that’s a contradiction in terms I have no other language available.

It is the foundation of this free energy we want if its for this machine or your static version. Leon explains in simple terms of comparison here
Given That Leon now understood the relationship between Gravity and Magnetism he went on to build a machine of this Ilk in the 1950s although this of course is a more recent re-incarnation of his.

Leon Raoul HATEM -- magnet motor according to Leon's work from the main drive each generator going back through the series uses power relative to the Fibonacci series 1, ½, ¼, ect
in other words a generator supplying 4kw in position 3 would demand 1Kw from the load.
My French Isn't of the first water but here is my translation of Leon's vectors of force in red of the relevent drawings in the above link (for what its worth) the first attempt is google automatic translator

If slippage, this configuration will tend to accelerate the phenomenon at each magnet.
If they are all the same orientation, a loving blue will look for any red magnet

At rest (a) the magnets of both the drive and the slave rotor will fall into balanced equilibration at a point of equal attraction.
When the driven rotor is turned (b) there must be a certain amount of slip between the drive and the slave, The tendency is for the slave to accelerate in an impossible attempt to come into synchronous lock with the drive.
Of course should the drive be accelerated to fast or the load be increased to fast beyond a certain point the synchronous link is lost.


If the magnets are still an attraction, but the alternation create a sort of detent natural limit slippage.
The magnet blue central line is red attracts the magnet on the left, but if there is slippage, not only the magnet will retain the red blue, but the magnets are in the same orientation is also pushing to participate in maintaining magnet blue right in his window.

Whilst it is difficult at first sight to deduce a mathematical foundation for this natural acceleration effect in the first instance. It is possible to make a direct comparison of magnetic forces by alternating the magnetic poles. At rest (a) the driven rotor and the slave are again in balanced equilibrium.
However when being driven and slippage occurs there is natural cogging and the tendency is to retard.

Now girls and boys I'm sure you’ve detected that I have been forced to corrupt English with “forward slippage” almost as much as I've been forced to corrupt and butcher this poor guys French
and so.”To do” “forward slippage” in the language of maths is certainly out of my reach.
I'm reasonably sure this is a mechanical incarnation of what you are doing statically .. can anyone else make the mathematical connection that is out of my grasp?
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Now girls and boys I'm sure you’ve detected that I have been forced to corrupt English with “forward slippage” almost as much as I've been forced to corrupt and butcher this poor guys French
and so.”To do” “forward slippage” in the language of maths is certainly out of my reach.
I'm reasonably sure this is a mechanical incarnation of what you are doing statically .. can anyone else make the mathematical connection that is out of my grasp?
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Principle of Mentalism: the Universe is all Wave....

thank you for the lesson

ps: the same principle you mention works as well for a Muller generator
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Principle of Mentalism: the Universe is all Wave....

thank you for the lesson

ps: the same principle you mention works as well for a Muller generator
A pleasure Monsieurm I Just hope I'm pointing at the right track
WOW This is attracting some readers may I try a little more tentative crawling forward with a little guess work ? I here assume what is thought probable is actual fact !! It is probable that Luminous Etheric energy is a linear wave why??? Eric P Dollard says so and demonstrates it one or two years ago here Part 1 of 6: Eric Dollard Tesla Longitudinal wave Energy SBARC Ham Radio with Chris Carson - YouTube with a consummate ease of which I am envious!!
So gents if you mix sine frequencies Mr Fourier tells you F1 and F2 will give you F1 and F2 and (F1+F2) also (F1-F2) and so how are any of us going to get to the maths of a linear wave that officially doesn't exist? It certainly isn't going to be available in any maths any of us have been taught!!
what if you mixed this Luminous Aetheric wave with ambient artificial light might it become visible? With luck might there be some indication? Well Ladies and gents It needs a very sharp pencil and more nouse than I have to get at the Maths but have a look at these and tell me what you may (just may) be seeing, the first is a screen shot from “energy from the vacuum and Floyd sweets secrets”
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-t...2520floyyd.png

New Free Energy by George Mitchell - YouTube

ThaneCHeins's Channel - YouTube

ThaneCHeins's Channel - YouTube

F.M.CHALKALIS ENERGY MULTIPLIER - YouTube

TARIEL KAPANADZE EVERYTHING .. WE KNOW FOR NOW..swf - YouTube
Is it possible you are watching a manifestation of the elusive Linear wave The “Luminous Aether” of Tesla Thundering into all these machines? Caught by happy accident like a startled child under the right light? Ah but to get to the maths.....
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[in regards and addition to article that was QUOTE=T-1000;165188]Draft for tunning instuctions:

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YOU WANTED COMPLEX INFORMATION IN ONE PLACE ...SO THIS ONE IS LOOOOOOOONG BUT PROVIDING WITH MOST OF DETAILS THE REST WILL BE DONE BY ARUNAS
Note that steps of me and Arunas differ a litle that is because of personal experience between to of us. Do not disregard Arunas notes ( post below my post) both approaches should give you desired effect


Quote from: grizli on November 03, 2011, 09:06:30 PM
I will connect my questions with yours

WILL device work if 50hz and 386khz are NOT synced ?
IT WILL NOT.. THE FREQUENCIES ARE NOT ALWAYS THE SAME as properties of ferrite are not the same.
I have got ferite cores just few minutes ago... American made and will attempt to check them out. I have 6 of them two of them are different.. the ferrites are in different shape more cylindrical and just smaller.. I have paid $5 per one. plus $28 shipping charges.

Do not count on fixed frequencies.. The whole process is not that easy as it looks like..
1 . connect 50 winds to Vector Network Analyzer output
2 . connect (ekran) shield / cooper strip winding to output.
3 .analyze if you see pick on 1.2Mhz to 1.8 Mhz
4 .than connect generator with square or ramp at frequency of pick say 1.3 MHz to (ekran) shield / coper strip
than tune it left right to maximum amplitude of 50 winds ( OSCILLOSCOPE AT OUTPUT)
5. than read the frequency and voltage on 50 winds ( OSCILLOSCOPE AT OUTPUT)
6. than connect generator to 50winds with frequency of readout
ALL OF THE STEPS SHOULD BE DONE WITH ONE GENERATOR ONLY!!! AT THE TIME..

7. tune that generator to maximum voltage on bifilar output.( OSCILLOSCOPE AT OUTPUT + hv probe)
8. than connect second generator to 15 winds at starting frequency of 50 Hz ,and tune it to maximum at bifilar
( OSCILLOSCOPE AT OUTPUT)
9.connect flyback to (ekran) shield / coper strip winding and give one spark only
10. see the response on oscilloscope and/or light bulb at bifilar output.
11. re tune circuit with two generators readjustment//



method #2

instead of point 1.
connect generator square to 50 winds
and connect spectrum analyzer at (ekran) shield / coper strip winding
look for more than 1MHz pick..
than fallow the other points of instruction



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5 minutes ago correction from Arunas:
quote"[4:47:10 PM] Arunas point # 3 ."analyze if you see pick on 1.2Mhz to 1.8 Mhz" -> see where is peak on spectrum analizer when white noise is fed into copper plates"


[4:49:14 PM] Arunas point#: 5. than look for lowest harmonic resonant frequency of 50 winds coil with highest amplitude ( OSCILLOSCOPE AT OUTPUT)

[4:51:00 PM] Arunaspoint#: 8. than connect second generator to 15 winds and tune it to maximum at bifilar
( OSCILLOSCOPE AT OUTPUT). It should be low frequency around 50Hz. Look for best match between 2 frequencies so low frequency will be carrier of 51 turns coil frequency(in our case it was 47 Hz)

[4:53:15 PM] point#: 9.connect flyback circuit with spark gap from our first experiment schematics to copper plates and tune variable capacitor attached to copper plates for maximum output.


[4:54:34 PM] Arunas Note: this most likely will heat up ferrite core and destroy it after 15-20 minutes

[5:00:47 PM] Arunas Note#2: Arunas -Note#2:" -For impedance match you will probably need unwind secondary coil or wind more wire on it. The method determining that is: if you touch with one of secondary coil wires with finger or additional wire which would be as antenna and see more bright halogen, you need more turns on secondary. If halogen bulb brightness fades, you need less turns on secondary coil.



Note from Wesley:
if you have impedance meter that is capable of choosing particular frequency and or display impedance at desired frequency (50 ohm between output of commercial generator.. than connected winding will be a load to the generator in such way that after bifilar is connected with load than you measure impedance with
a- generator disconnected and impedance meter connected to 50winds winding than 15 winds winding NO POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO signal delivered!!!!!!!!!!!but light bulb connected!!

b- you can also try to take few meters or bundle of wire and instead of inactive test make test on load you either cut the wire piece by piece or play with variable capacitor in series with the wire.. only one end of wire should be connected to say (15winds)(in my case16 wind winding)

Note#2 from Wesley:
that what Aidas called copper plates = what I called (ekran) shield / coper strip winding



Note#3 from Wesley
The confusion about impedance:

Explanation.

12.
electrical impedance is:Impedance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
-the ratio of the voltage phasor to the electric current phasor, a measure of the opposition to time-varying electric current in an electric circuit

Wave impedance is:
-, a constant related to electromagnetic wave propagation in a medium

Impedance of free space is:
-, a universal constant
Mechanical impedance is:,
- a measure of opposition to motion of a structure subjected to a force
( that might be important only for mechanical response of our ferrite to the frequency response in resonance ( hissing sound of ferrite)
or for copper wire vibration:
Flexural vibrations induced in thin metal wires carrying high currents
13. application
a. output impedance of regular commercially available generators is 50 Ohm
b. for impedance match each coil must have 50 ohm impedance
c. when impedance is matched that capacitive Reactance and inductive Reactance may be uneven and still you will have 50 ohm of coil impedance;\
Say in one scenario
- coil has capacitive character and less inductive
in another scenario
coil has inductive character and less capacitive inductive
and still will maintain 50 ohm impedance match..!!!!!!!!!!

when coil character ( LC network character) is capacitive in nature than it represent higher voltage THAT IS WHAT WE NEED !!!!!!!!!


THIS PART IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE ESSENCE OF HOW TO TUNE COIL.
-every coil is the load to the source.so
15 winds coil is the load to generator
50 winds is a load to second generator
but because the coils are coupled to bifilar than their impedance will change when bifilar is introduced and/or paper dividing two halves of ferrite ring
-every coil is RLC network to the feeding device( generator)
Even when not connected to generators ...coils will have different impedance when load light bulb is connected to bifilar and not yet under power..
You will see that, when ready to use ferrite ring with light bulb connected is examined and you connect impedance meter to each of winding 15 or 50 ohm ( in my example 16 and 51)



PLEASE DO NOT SKIP THIS FEW LINKS AND PLAY WITH CAPACITANCE AND INDUCTANCE IN INTERACTIVE GRAPH You will understand capacitive and inductive dependencies while maintaining 50 ohm.
9. Impedance and Phase Angle
go in the midle of the page to:
Click where it says "Start"
than play with sliders try to get maximum capacitance and minimum inductance
at 50 ohm and look how voltage and current lag each other..





look at:25.1 Capacitance and inductance Capacitance and inductance


Phase shift
3. Graphs of y=asin(bx+c) and y=acos(bx+c)
go to :Flash Interactive
Play with it.




What we have access energy from? remember this is just my assumption for the present moment.

go to :Resonant Amplification of Magnetic Domain-Wall Motion by a Train of Current Pulses
The current-induced motion of magnetic domain walls confined to nanostructures is of interest for applications in magnetoelectronic devices in which the domain wall serves as the logic gate or memory element. The injection of spin-polarized current below a threshold value through a domain wall confined to a pinning potential results in its precessional motion within the potential well. We show that by using a short train of current pulses, whose length and spacing are tuned to this precession frequency, the domain wall's oscillations can be resonantly amplified. This makes possible the motion of domain walls with much reduced currents, more than five times smaller than in the absence of resonant amplification.
- for pulse density modulation affecting signal go to :
Pulse-density modulation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
We are dealing with pulses and pulse modulation as well a density.

Look for part#2 of the article



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Note that steps of me and Arunas differ a litle that is because of personal experience between to of us. Do not disregard Arunas notes both approaches should give you desired effect


for phenomena in ferrites go to:
http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/pub...623370/etd.pdf



-easy lecture: atomic orbitals

- to more advanced who want to understand how copper ring reacts:
http://www-ceam.ucsd.edu/documents/p...00)%5B1%5D.pdf
Composite Medium with Simultaneously Negative Permeability and Permittivity

- for these interested with understanding VNA and spectrum analysis easy to read
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...EgeAjY3g&pli=1

or
Network Analyzer Basics
http://cp.literature.agilent.com/lit...5965-7917E.pdf


this is easy do not be discouraged
very important is to understand this material than less questions I will have to answer
http://www.ece.utah.edu/~ece3300/Lab.../APN1217-1.pdf
2.Basics of measuring the dielectric properties of materials
a.Resistivity
b.Dielectric constant
c.Permittivity
d.Permeability
e.Electromagnetic wave propagation
f.Dielectric mechanisms
g.Electronic and atomic polarization
h.Orientation polarization
i.Ionic conductivity
j.Interfacial or space charge polarization.

3.Measurement systems
a.High resistance meters
b.LCR meters and impedance LCR meters
c.Network analyzers A measurement of the reflection from and/or transmission through a material

Resonant transformers:
For more details on this topic, see Resonant inductive coupling.
A resonant transformer is a kind of leakage transformer. It uses the leakage inductance of its secondary windings in combination with external capacitors, to create one or more resonant circuits. Resonant transformers such as the Tesla coil can generate very high voltages, and are able to provide much higher current than electrostatic high-voltage generation machines such as the Van de Graaff generator.[52] One of the applications of the resonant transformer is for the CCFL inverter. Another application of the resonant transformer is to couple between stages of a superheterodyne receiver, where the selectivity of the receiver is provided by tuned transformers in the intermediate-frequency amplifiers.

For these who is not familiar with practical electronics:
http://web.hep.uiuc.edu/Home/sibert/NEETS/Mod14.pdf

this material is only for purpose of HOW TO BUILD VARIABLE TUNING CAPACITOR HV?
Electronic Bennet's doubler
Pfaff and Svanberg multiplier

this is interesting material I have to get closer to it:
Gyrator
it might be applicable . logic might be the simpler way to create tun-able generators.

Simulating Electromagnetic Interactions in High
Power Density Converters look at drawings
http://www.stefan-peter-weber.de/pub...nen/pesc05.pdf

PERMANENT MAGNET AIR-CORED TUBULAR LINEAR
GENERATOR FOR MARINE ENERGY CONVERTERS
http://eprints.lancs.ac.uk/20104/1/getPDF.pdf
look at drawing and power factor notes.
Figure 5 : Axial force verses position for constant current
Figure 7: Tubular Machine Translator !!
Figure 12: Comparison of predicted and experimental voltage
for a 17 Ohm load
9. Conclusion



An Introduction to Barkhausen +44 (0)1981 541122
Noise and its Applications
http://www.insight-ndt.com/papers/technical/t013.pdf
1.1.6 Irreversibility
With magnetic types of inspection and phenomenon there is an aspect that one
frequently encounters. The aspect of irreversibility is displayed in a ferromagnetic
material’s inability to return to the original magnetic state. In other words, once a
ferromagnetic material has been placed in a magnetic field and taken from the field,
there will remain in the material some amount of residual magnetism. This
characteristic occurs on the order of the individual magnetic domains within a
material, thus causing a very unrepeatable transition when the magnetic field is changing within a material.


What night be happening to the ferrite:
Chapter 10: Phase Transformations in Metals
Chapter 10. Phase Transformations in Metals

Former Army secrets:
EVALUATION OF DEVELOPMENTAL HIGH TEMPERATURE
PULSE FORMING NETWORK, Z-2922
MANUFACTURED BY SPRAGUE ELECTRIC COMPANY
NORTH ADAMS, MASSACHUSETTS
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc...c=GetTRDoc.pdf

look at :
4. Comparing the standard AN/APS-45 pulse-forming network in the modulator circuit with the sample network indicated that the parasitic
oscillation was present only in the sample network. Principally, parasitic oscillations result from impedance mismatches. Many times these
mismatches are caused by stray inductances and capacitances. In this
particular case where the active volume of the network was reduced by
the incorporation of the expansion compartment, it is possible that the,,,,
(read to the rest of it)


Radars have been modulated by spark gap:
Q-16. What is nonpulse time?
Q-17. What is average power in a pulsed system?
RADAR MODULATION
RADAR MODULATION
RADAR MODULATION#2
Radar modulation

This is how pulse- forming network is made
Radar Basics - Radar Modulator
Figure 3: charging currents path

PULSE FORMING NETWORK (PFN) FORMULAS
look at:Type A PFN and drawing below
Ness Engineering Tech Data - Pulse Forming Network Formulas

Practical explanation and advise to standing wave and terms used by ARUNAS
NODE AND ANTINODE
The Physics of Resonance



Standing wave:
Bill B's 3rd crackpot theory: walls made of standing waves

Materials:
-take deflection yoke from old TV the one that is on the CRT tube take ferrite out of it by puling gently snapping spring brackets out
-wire 18 gauge 50 winds in plastic insulation recommended
-wire 18 gauge 15 winds in plastic insulation recommended
-wire 18 gauge 150 winds x2 bifilar (in plastic insulation recommended)
- HV transformer ( no diodes build in!!!!) make sure that in plastic coil there is no diodes molded and you have access to windings of transformer directly

deflection yoke and ferrite cores for it:
everything about it
Yoke E70954(S) Cathode Ray Tube CRT Magnetic Beam Deflection Assembly
https://www.google.com/search?aq=f&g....,cf.osb&cad=b

Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ: Notes On The Troubleshooting And Repair Of Television Sets
DEFLECTION YOKE CORE - B. L. K. FERRITES PVT. LTD., C-105/4, NARAINA INDUSTRIAL AREA, PHASE-1,, New Delhi, India
http://www.fdk.co.jp/laboratory/ce_hon-e.html
23.2: Development of New Ferrite Material for Deflection Yoke Core
Series For Deflection Yoke Core(ceramic) - YOUNG JIN CERAMICS.CO.,LTD
weclome to DMEGC


Anything more in another book





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[in regards and addition to article that was QUOTE=T-1000;165188]Draft for tunning instuctions:

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YOU WANTED COMPLEX INFORMATION IN ONE PLACE ...SO THIS ONE IS LOOOOOOOONG BUT PROVIDING WITH MOST OF DETAILS THE REST WILL BE DONE BY ARUNAS
Note that steps of me and Arunas differ a litle that is because of personal experience between to of us. Do not disregard Arunas notes both approaches should give you desired effect




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Quote from Arunas:1.
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Connect 51 turns coil to Vector Network Analyzer output / Spectrum Analyzer intput
2. Connect cooper plates half-ring winding to generator with white noise output.
The reason he decided to do it this way is because we have tried at my lab to use sweeping generator from Vector Network Analyzer only at frequency range from say 0 to 2 MHz ( we did not use VNA at that very moment to measure but only to sweep. (as if we have had sweeping generator)

Instead of that you can use Sweep Generator SG
The sweep generator is fast scanning generator and because of FF analysis at Spectrum analyzer you are able to see all of the spectral components and desired 1.3 to 1.5 Ghz.

The faster is the sweep generator the better is display of Spectrum analyzer.
but if you want to tune it manually as long as you have manual sweep generator you are able also to see that effect.. only with much greater difficulty..
Note that generator must maintain steady voltage at given range of frequency swept.
such as LEADER LFG-1300S

http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/j...avefigure1.jpg

Molecular Expressions Microscopy Primer: Light and Color - Electromagnetic Wave Propagation - Interactive Java Tutorial

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"...it became apparent that the fireballs resulted form the interaction of two frequencies, a stray higher frequency wave imposed on the lower frequency oscillations of the main circuit....
This condition acts as a trigger which may cause the total energy of the powerful longer wave to be discharged in a infinitesimally small interval of time and the proportionately tremendously great rate of energy movement which cannot confine itself to the metal circuit and is released into surrounding space with inconceivable violence. It is but a step, from the learning how a high frequency current can explosively discharge a lower frequency current, to using the principle to design a system in which these explosions can be produced by intent." -N. Tesla
So, instead of making ball lightning, we're about to use this energy for our electrical circuits ...
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Ok, here is some food for theoretics

Corum Ball lightning


So, instead of making ball lightning, we're about to use this energy for our electrical circuits ...
OK, That looks like fun I think I might try to make that ball lightning
generator. Thanks for the link.

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So, instead of making ball lightning, we're about to use this energy for our electrical circuits ...
you touched the essence. Radiant electricity secret !
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Ok, here is some food for theoretics

Corum Ball lightning


So, instead of making ball lightning, we're about to use this energy for our electrical circuits ...
this is mighty interesting....thanks for the article...i posted an article written by the same authors here: Donald Smith Devices too good to be true; thanks T-1000


I found this in the ref mentioned in the article:

http://hamwaves.com/antennas/inductance/corum.pdf

RF coils, helical resonators and voltage magnification by coherent spatial modes

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By modeling a wire-wound coil as an anisotropically conducting cylindrical boundary, one may start from Maxwell’s equations and deduce the structure’s resonant behavior. Not only can the propagation factor and characteristic impedance be determined for such a helically disposed surface waveguide, but also its resonances, ′self-capacitance′ (so-called), and its voltage magnification by standing waves. Further, the Tesla coil passes to a conventional lumped element inductor as the helix is electrically shortened.








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And here is the inductance calculator based on the previous post: RF Inductance Calculator - HAMwaves.com


ps: did i mention the presence of silicate dust in the air
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Wow Stivep That’s a big pill to swallow,a bit disheartening when I get to a bit that someone once spent time and energy drummining into my head and now Its got Wrong wrong wrong stamped all over it in different colours (predominantly red)!. Ah well back to the reading (thanks for posting it) I see from a previous posting that Tariel is Very ill due to poison. I'm sure we have all watched the video of Tariel in his garden Demonstrating an early unit surrounded by friends and relations, Obviously at ease respected by all and everybody is obviously also “having fun” It seems such a shame that the reward for his study experimentation and demonstration should be poison. but alas similar occurrences seem to have happened so very many times before from Tesla to Moray to …. Ah the list is endless the PJ Morgans's are still very much with us..
Tariel is obviously a clever Man and I have no doubt was well aware of the gambit he was running.
He seems to have made a decision to “open source” the technique and you gents are doing your best to “put the hammer to the Anvil” for the Tariel.
You are obviously to a certain extent putting yourself s at no little risk, for which I'd like to thank you. I'd like to think in the same situation I would have the courage to do much the same thing
And of course my thoughts go to Tariel here demonstrating with friends in happier times Green Box Tariel Kapanadze - part 1 - YouTube I hope he makes a full recovery
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So yes I agree, Why isn't there more discussion regarding wave mixing.
I have considered now for some time that harmonics produced by sympathetic resonance might in fact be 'free' energy, but due to the mathematical relationship between the fundamental and harmonics, it is a harder thing to work with. Wave mixing then is a special case of harmonics where the frequencies don't have as tight a relationship, and is therefore easier to isolate the 'free' portion of the energy from the initiating resonance.

I have also considered that wave mixing allows you to fool Lenz by moving energy from one frequency to another.

The looming question was whether an electric field acting on a coil would affect charge carriers in such a way as to create a modulating effect on the current flowing through the coil. Obviously we can modulate with transistors, but I don't think that will be particularly helpful. Can we do it passively?

I took a toroid with two windings and a signal generator hooked to each winding. When the coils are excited single wire in the megahertz range, at a frequency that rings a bit, I am definitely seeing evidence of mixing. When you have found a single wire resonance, say at 10MHz, and both coils are running at exactly 10Mhz, the spectrum analyzer puts out the usual picture...10Mhz, 20MHz, 30Mhz, etc. As soon as you tune one of the generators off of 10Mhz, you get this beautiful 'fan' of frequencies that are the sums and differences of the two source frequencies. Since both generators end up creating harmonics, and all of those harmonics mix, the end result is a complete hash of harmonics...and very clearly mixing is present.

The only remaining question in my mind is whether loading the mixer output frequencies (or harmonics as well) with a well tuned filter (a bifilar in canceling mode, for instance) has an effect on the originating waves. If not, this may be a ridiculously simple thing to describe, although a bit harder to implement. We'll see.
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i am wondering something about power as a volume of energy and standing waves.
is the harmonic a step up in power volume?
with three frequencies to account for there are only a few field stress points to consider.
is the actual energy coming from ground or is it within the circuit virtual ground by volume change charge flow points?
if so how far can this be stressed?
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is the actual energy coming from ground or is it within the circuit virtual ground by volume change charge flow points?
if so how far can this be stressed?
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Lower frequency is driving frequency (47Hz after slight tuning in our experiment).
Higher resonant frequency is ferrite exciting frequency(382KHz.)
Lower frequency signal is stronger than higher frequency signal, hence 15/50 turns just do that because of impedance.
The HV discharge is not used in experiment - we did not want to break core. But scalar wave is still there because copper plates are connected to capacitor and LC circuit is locked into ferrite resonant frequency (1.66MHz) and oscillation is induced by changing magnetic fields with mix of 15/50 coils signals.
So you get desired fields manipulation after those steps and complex things are made by simple mixing of signals with right magnetic spin vector angles on right time..
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would this hold true in the standard induction motor as well if the windings were reconfigured?
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I have considered now for some time that harmonics produced by sympathetic resonance might in fact be 'free' energy, but due to the mathematical relationship between the fundamental and harmonics, it is a harder thing to work with. Wave mixing then is a special case of harmonics where the frequencies don't have as tight a relationship, and is therefore easier to isolate the 'free' portion of the energy from the initiating resonance.

I have also considered that wave mixing allows you to fool Lenz by moving energy from one frequency to another.

The looming question was whether an electric field acting on a coil would affect charge carriers in such a way as to create a modulating effect on the current flowing through the coil. Obviously we can modulate with transistors, but I don't think that will be particularly helpful. Can we do it passively?

I took a toroid with two windings and a signal generator hooked to each winding. When the coils are excited single wire in the megahertz range, at a frequency that rings a bit, I am definitely seeing evidence of mixing. When you have found a single wire resonance, say at 10MHz, and both coils are running at exactly 10Mhz, the spectrum analyzer puts out the usual picture...10Mhz, 20MHz, 30Mhz, etc. As soon as you tune one of the generators off of 10Mhz, you get this beautiful 'fan' of frequencies that are the sums and differences of the two source frequencies. Since both generators end up creating harmonics, and all of those harmonics mix, the end result is a complete hash of harmonics...and very clearly mixing is present.

The only remaining question in my mind is whether loading the mixer output frequencies (or harmonics as well) with a well tuned filter (a bifilar in canceling mode, for instance) has an effect on the originating waves. If not, this may be a ridiculously simple thing to describe, although a bit harder to implement. We'll see.
the difficulty will also be found when choosing the type of wire (thickness , length etc... )

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and probably that is why Tesla used to weight his coils too, it is much easier than finding 5.914441183 feet


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Just for your Information:


the ultimate speed limit in the Universe is the speed of light, which is approximately 300,000 kilometers per second / 186 282.397 miles per second.


Some useful conversions between units are:

1 mile is 5,280 feet
1 mile is 1.61 kilometers
1 kilometer is 1000 meters
1 Light Year is 9.46 x 10 12 km
1 Light Year is 5.91 x 10 12 mi





just read this, and it fits the rule of ten and rule of 6

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30 meter wavelength works out to about 10 MHz


if you'd like to know more read this post: http://www.energeticforum.com/164630-post1156.html


so for instance a 30 meter wire for 10 MHz

COHERENCE AT ANY LEVEL IS COHERENCE AT ALL LEVELS.
An orderly arrangement between wave lengths establishes a connection between frequencies and fields. But for this connection to last, it must resonate to all frequencies and fields. This can only be accomplished through the resonate structure of golden mean pathways
. a harmonic cascade effect
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would this hold true in the standard induction motor as well if the windings were reconfigured?
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Same answer when you have rotor speed acceleration effect under load - 2 mixed frequencies there: one is magnet oscillation, second is coil induction oscillation.
Again, everything go back to what N,Tesla said about how to make artificial ball lightning...
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stivep... Here posted one of your early video's from OU (page 505) TARIEL KAPANADZE EVERYTHING .. WE KNOW FOR NOW..swf - YouTube (yeh I've been reading back friends on an epic trip!) ... Please compare with my post 68 Not at all sure if my conclusions are correct but your machine is doing it too!
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the difficulty will also be found when choosing the type of wire (thickness , length etc... )
The Physics of Magick - the source of words "COHERENCE AT ANY LEVEL IS COHERENCE AT ALL LEVELS." ..
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Talking about electricity and different frequencies, "COHERENCE AT ANY LEVEL IS COHERENCE AT ALL LEVELS" means resonance between different frequencies
Erowid Culture Vaults : Resonant Frequencies and the Human Brain is about different research but same principle...

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Tesla first realized the massive potential of resonant waves in 1898 when he performed a simple experiment with an electromechanical oscillator the size of an alarm clock. He attached the device to an iron pillar that ran down through the center of his lab into the foundation of his building. His plan was to let it simply tap away until he could produce a significant vibration in the pillar. However, Tesla was unaware that the vibrations from the oscillator were being conducted through the iron pillar down into the substructure of the city. Just as earthquakes are normally the strongest at a short distance from their epicenter, nearby buildings shook and windows shattered while Tesla's lab remained unaffected. Without rapid police intervention, Tesla may have let the oscillator run all night as buildings crumbled around him.

In a later experiment using the same principle, Tesla clamped an oscillator to one of the exposed ground floor beams of a half built ten-story steel building. As Tesla told reporters later that day:"In a few minutes, I could feel the beam trembling. Gradually the trembling increased in intensity and extended throughout the whole great mass of steel. Finally, the structure began to creak and weave, and the steel workers came to the ground panic-stricken, believing that there had been an earthquake. Rumors spread that the building was about to fall, and the police reserves were called out. Before anything serious happened, I took off the vibrator, put it in my pocket, and went away. But if I had kept on ten minutes more, I could have laid that building flat in the street. And, with the same vibrator, I could drop the Brooklyn Bridge in less than an hour."

"The principle cannot fail," Tesla would say. He understood that a steady frequency of tiny waves would eventually create enormous ripples if they were timed just right. What Tesla demonstrated was a principle of resonance known as entrainment - the ability of a frequency to cause a less powerful frequency to fall into rhythm simply by placing the two frequency emitters in close proximity. In other words, if you take an electrical oscillator with a power rating of 10 watts that is oscillating at a frequency of 1000 cycles per second (cps), and place it next to an oscillator with a power rating of 1000 watts vibrating at a frequency of 5000 cps, eventually the slower oscillator will be entrained to vibrate at 5000 cps because of the more powerful electromagnetic field created by the 1000 watt oscillator.
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Ok, here is some food for theoretics

Corum Ball lightning
Corum Ball lightning
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"...it became apparent that the fireballs resulted form the interaction of two frequencies, a stray higher frequency wave imposed on the lower frequency oscillations of the main circuit....
This condition acts as a trigger which may cause the total energy of the powerful longer wave to be discharged in a infinitesimally small interval of time and the proportionately tremendously great rate of energy movement which cannot confine itself to the metal circuit and is released into surrounding space with inconceivable violence. It is but a step, from the learning how a high frequency current can explosively discharge a lower frequency current, to using the principle to design a system in which these explosions can be produced by intent." -N. Tesla

So, instead of making ball lightning, we're about to use this energy for our electrical circuits ...
This tells me that the energy in the longer wave is discharged in a small time
period, but it is not describing over unity performance, when the energy is
discharged from the longer wave it will take input energy to put energy back
into the longer wave. Like discharging a capacitor, it still needs to be
recharged, with input.

The text tells me the higher frequency wave discharges the energy from the
low frequency wave like a capacitor discharge. I don't see how it implies free
energy or over unity performance, because all the energy discharged from the
lower frequency wave was input.

It is interesting nonetheless and probably could be practically useful.

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I am tempted to say that sounds like a misquote.

How can one get a wave that is a function of time both leading and lagging the instance to compress into an instant?

That and if so why would anyone think that it would nicely follow a wire and tamely become useful as electricity?
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I am tempted to say that sounds like a misquote.

How can one get a wave that is a function of time both leading and lagging the instance to compress into an instant?

That and if so why would anyone think that it would nicely follow a wire and tamely become useful as electricity?
When you have 2 waves in resonance to each other, you get net gain in amplitude of outcome wave.

Why it would follow with same principles in electricity? The same laws of Nature are everywhere
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When you have 2 waves in resonance to each other, you get net gain in amplitude of outcome wave.

Why it would follow with same principles in electricity? The same laws of Nature are everywhere
I thought they said different frequncy
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