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Old 05-03-2013, 10:48 PM
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Hey MM good to read ya bro
A little surprised to see my old thread
The coil was power with 12 dc, Im going to power it with 12 ac soon, I have plans to see if I can pull power from this coil as well.
I will keep you updated

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Old 05-03-2013, 10:57 PM
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Good reading you too bro

I remember you assembled two magnets with both South pole ( or north pole ) touching ...... wonder what would happen if you placed it in the center of the coil ...... just a thought
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Old 05-04-2013, 01:29 PM
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Good reading you too bro

I remember you assembled two magnets with both South pole ( or north pole ) touching ...... wonder what would happen if you placed it in the center of the coil ...... just a thought
Not sure there are so many variations to try, its in the geometry, I think for now Im going to keep it simple and see if I can draw energy from the field using a led plate, its not as far fetched as it seems Tesla used a plate to collect from the ambient the difference is Im trying to pull directly from a coil and using ice to channel the fields.

I looks like a tornado or water spout, like water down a drain. The field looks like its ordered, spinning even though its just a steady dc current powering the cell.
I wonder, if the field is frozen with a steady dc field then pulsed after the ice is frozen solid will it pump energy
There is alot to test and I have been lazy, its time to really start experimenting, I wish others with more electronic experience would check this out.
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Old 05-05-2013, 02:25 AM
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thick electric wire & toroidal transformer - YouTube

Teslas Egg of Columbus Exhibit - YouTube
Nikola Tesla - Columbus Egg - 1893 Chicago - YouTube
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Old 05-05-2013, 02:42 PM
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Fascinating effect ....... the bottom of the ice block got me intrigued

the color contrast is very telling

amazing job Dave
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Old 05-05-2013, 05:14 PM
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wow ......


check the golden tractate thread .... posted a few thoughts about the coil

excellent stuff .... Dave

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ANTI-GRAVITY or ION WIND? - YouTube


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Old 05-05-2013, 06:59 PM
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Is the ice concentrating the field?
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:03 PM
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indeed dc seems to give more robust results

ac .... dc ..... how about pulsed dc

would it make it more robust
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:56 PM
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Hi Dave,

Great pics, the vortex shape shows that something powerful is happening during the ice formation.

It makes me wonder if the energy input is somehow stored in the ice (battery?).

What if a small Tesla pancake coil was placed in the bottom of your glass, might it show amps out as the ice melts?

Have you tried placing magnets on the outside of your glass while freezing? It might show some interesting changes in the vortex shape.

Keep up the good work and I'll put you in for a raise, LOL, Gene
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Old 05-06-2013, 02:00 PM
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Genius Dave! A great way to see what is happening. Are you just putting it in a freezer or are you using dry ice? I would think the coil would be too warm to freeze it in a freezer.
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Old 05-06-2013, 02:16 PM
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Hi Dave,

Great pics, the vortex shape shows that something powerful is happening during the ice formation.

It makes me wonder if the energy input is somehow stored in the ice (battery?).

What if a small Tesla pancake coil was placed in the bottom of your glass, might it show amps out as the ice melts?

Have you tried placing magnets on the outside of your glass while freezing? It might show some interesting changes in the vortex shape.

Keep up the good work and I'll put you in for a raise, LOL, Gene
good reading you Gene

check this out ..... Tesla Patent 685,012 - Means for Increasing the Intensity of Electrical Oscillations

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1. The combination with a circuit adapted to vibrate freely, of means for artificially cooling the same to a low temperature, as herein set forth.

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Old 05-06-2013, 02:22 PM
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indeed dc seems to give more robust results

ac .... dc ..... how about pulsed dc

would it make it more robust
I was thinking freeze it with a steady dc then pulsing it with dc after the cell is frozen.
The longer ice is frozen the slower it melts.
Think cold electricity.
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Old 05-06-2013, 02:26 PM
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Hi Dave,

Great pics, the vortex shape shows that something powerful is happening during the ice formation.

It makes me wonder if the energy input is somehow stored in the ice (battery?).

What if a small Tesla pancake coil was placed in the bottom of your glass, might it show amps out as the ice melts?

Have you tried placing magnets on the outside of your glass while freezing? It might show some interesting changes in the vortex shape.

Keep up the good work and I'll put you in for a raise, LOL, Gene
The pancake coil may work, Iv constructed a cell with a lead plate in the bottom will try it first.
Im hoping it will funnel energy when pulsed.
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Old 05-06-2013, 02:29 PM
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Genius Dave! A great way to see what is happening. Are you just putting it in a freezer or are you using dry ice? I would think the coil would be too warm to freeze it in a freezer.
Just a freezer, the dc seems to freeze faster.
Iv used alot of different types of water, purified bottled drinking water seems to work best as far as being clear.
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Old 05-06-2013, 02:33 PM
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The poles of the planets are frozen, who knows where this will go.

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Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,
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The poles of the planets are frozen, who knows where this will go.
you are quite right ....... and we could extend it to high snowy mountains .... like the Himalayas ..... where legends of UFO abound

if we follow the same line of thought .... the following doc is on experiments done in the north Pole Circle :

Mirrors - Breaking the Future - YouTube

kozyrev mirror ....... tesla coil :


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Old 05-07-2013, 02:25 AM
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Dave I like a lot of your coil designs. Looks like you have a lot of experience in it, so I was wondering if you have any ideas about how I should go about winding this design:

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I think it should be one continuous winding if I can do it. I'm hoping for an increased or shared magnetic field, which hopefully, will increase the current output.

Let me know if you already tried this. Thanks.
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Old 05-07-2013, 03:28 AM
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Hi Ruphus
Cones are a tough wind the steeper the incline the harder they are to wind.
I would wind them separate then solder them together, thats a complex build good luck.
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I sometimes wonder if Im doing the right thing working and researching in this field its chalked full of representations of the snake.............. I have been thinking of this for a long time,...
Serpents... and coils? What about serpents AS coils!
Serpents in Judeo-Christian Mythology - Wikipedia
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The staff of Moses transformed into a snake and then back into a staff (Exodus 4:24). The Book of Numbers 21:69 provides an origin for an archaic copper serpent, Nehushtan by associating it with Moses. This copper snake according to the Biblical text is wrapped around a pole and used for healing. Book of Numbers 21:9 "And Moses made a snake of copper, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a snake had bitten any man, when he beheld the snake of brass, he lived."

In the Gospel of John 3:1415, Jesus makes direct comparison between the raising up of the Son of Man and the act of Moses in raising up the serpent as a sign, using it as a symbol associated with salvation: "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life".

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Snakes entwined the staffs both of Hermes (the caduceus) and of Asclepius, where a single snake entwined the rough staff. On Hermes' caduceus, the snakes were not merely duplicated for symmetry, they were paired opposites....


A prof of mine thought the Adam & Eve myth referred to the shift from hunter-gatherer to agriculture through women's discovery of the knowledge of seed harvesting and planting. Perhaps the (phallic) serpent's temptation symbolized the Eureka moment--an intuitive connection Eve drew between human insemination and what could be achieved through seed harvesting and planting. So, in this case the serpent could've symbolized both fertility and conscience or conscious awareness.
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tks for link dave
i'm from romania and i went many times in that zone but to my shame i was not to SINCA VECHE CAVE
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Its more like this
"Drei bier bitte"

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It seems everybody is hovering around the same out-of-this-world idEAs?

Wolfgang Pauli and his World Clock (his personal mandala) is no exception to the rule, it almost appears to define it...what if?



source of image:
Deciphering the Cosmic Number: The Strange Friendship of Wolfgang Pauli and Carl Jung — Arthur I. Miller



selah V

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Old 05-09-2013, 04:36 PM
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Actually this is the problem and has been the problem all along,
The field that is created runs against the current being applied, when a coil is pulsed the reverse field collapses into the coil this causes the coil to change polarity, the polarity change also changes the direction of the magnetic field.
Its like tapping a flywheel but after the tap stopping the wheel.

Can this be overcome, Yes Steven Marks used two toroids he pulsed one but the bemf collapsed into the other, this allowed him to tap the flywheel and keep the magnetic field spinning in one direction. The magnetic fields of the toroids were spinning in opposite directions.
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:48 PM
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I didnt try the SS coil, after reading a bit on it I refuse to use it again.

But I did put a leedskalnin design in ice with a grounding plate but not luck pulling energy through it.

Back to the drawing board.

later
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