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Here's something interesting look at the last pic
Of interest is the cw coil the applied current moves to the right as it moves through the coil making the top N.
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Ever wonder why hurricanes spin ccw in the norther hemisphere and cw in the Southern
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I really like this circuit as you can tell
I was thinking this morning we want to draw in from the aether or ground maybe we are trying to do it on the wrong side of the coils.

If we use a resistor that passes just enough juice to get the system oscillating with a small load then a larger load should pull from the ground or kill the oscillation
Its worth a shot

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I really like this circuit as you can tell
I was thinking this morning we want to draw in from the aether or ground maybe we are trying to do it on the wrong side of the coils.

If we use a resistor that passes just enough juice to get the system oscillating with a small load then a larger load should pull from the ground or kill the oscillation
Its worth a shot

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Hi Dave. It is a neat circuit which can be controlled by input V and parallel capacitor. I built Negative Ion Generator using flyback and small induction heater using this ZVS. I have persistent thought to try it with Tesla bifilar coil coupled with primary. Just finished bifilar last night but need to come up with primary design. Something similar to the idea being tested by JLN and Romero but using tunable primary instead of induction cooker. I also did brief test with 120mmm toroid which I used for different experiment while ago. It has three primaries spaced around circumference. I accidentally touched one lead from unused primary to one side of primaries connected to the circuit and oscillations went up lighting 110V LED hooked up to the secondary. I'm busy with other projects at the moment but can't let this idea go for some reason.

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Dave thought this might interest you ..... as you know .... love to go back to the Master to find new clues

Terrestrial stationary waves - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Terrestrial spherical-conductor surface wave transmission line

On the other hand, Tesla's concept was that of a global wireless electrical power transmission grid and telecommunications network based upon energy transmission by means of a spherical conductor “single-wire” surface wave transmission line and a propagating TM00 mode.[5] A feasibility study using a sufficiently powerful and properly tuned Tesla coil earth-resonance transmitter is called for.[6]
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Elmore, Glenn, "Introduction to the Propagating Wave on a Single Conductor," Corridor Systems Inc., 2009.
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The solution to the wave equation for the propagating TM mode produces a non*zero
longitudinal component of the E*field. This is in contrast to the solution for the TEM
mode in coax which produces only a transverse E*field.
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Thank you Monsieur M, good reading

I took a break from other experiments and hooked up my 8" dia 12ga bifilar Tesla coil to ZVS circuit (common to the choke). I got it oscillating and pulling 0.18A @ 12V DC. I made half a size (4") pancake coil (same wire) with 0.1uF across and 20W bulb. I need to measure but the bulb seems as bright as powered from 12VDC but total draw is only 1A which equals 12W. Probably just an illusion. I have beautiful sine on the output, measuring 18V on the scope. Output frequency is 76kHz. Very nice inductive coupling with such small output coil. I knew that Tesla bifilar works great as transmitter and wonder what would happen if I'll use identical bifilar as a receiver
Dave, I will try your idea with ground.

Update; I got both Tesla Bifilar Coils for primary and secondary. Much better coupling. I have to move secondary over an inch from primary because the bulb is getting too bright. Right capacitor across secondary makes a big difference.
Also (Just for fun) tried 5" ferrite rod with 120T secondary and two 20T primaries in series. Lighting 110VAC 3W LED light no problem. 40mA draw without a load and 110mA with the bulb connected at 9VDC supply. AC out with a load 110V on the scope.
I want to test this circuit with different primaries on large ferrite toroid. I have to make some kind of spools so they can be moved and spaced apart around the circumference.
I tried Dave's idea with ground but nothing extraordinary so far. A few more variations to try.
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Hey good reading MM I dont think much got by Tesla, He dreamed of free electricity for a free world but we know that can never happen so we must build small generators for individuals for everyone.

Vtech good to hear your still goin strong, this circuit has potential if we can find the right combination of coils, shorted coils or magnets.
Work has been slow so just payen the bills for now but it will pick up soon and I will be building this circuit, I have posted some idea's to try.
The problem with using coils without a toroidal core is they radiate. a toroid keeps the coils from radiating because the electric aspect of the field is attracted to the magnetic field that is inclosed in the toroid, providing its not overpowered.
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Something I noticed with the cw and ccw coils, powering them from the center out, if I run neg through both coils I get two magnetic fields but if one is neg and one is pos, one field.
If both were powered neg I got no charge on the plate, but if one is neg and one is pos the plates charged

That led to this
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I wonder how efficient the zvs would be at splitting water since it is a resonant circuit
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Alexg800 posted this circuit in the Bitoroid thread

which is basically a zvs using transistors, I do have the components to build this
It can be switched using npn instead of pnp transistors, this is gonna be fun
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Thought I would study on how a magnetron works, very interesting we need to study whats happening here, proven tech.
This looks like a generator, just needs some wires

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When I studied the magnetron at first I thought it showed that energy could not be had by magnetic fields at all, but then I noticed that the magnetron is not using the magnetic field as an energy source but for its spin.

We can get energy from a magnetic field but we must lead off both ends, we can pull energy off a permanent magnet like this,

We do not need thorium, all you need is a permanent magnet.
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Every pass through the magnetic field accumulates and energy gain.
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I hope these videos fill a gap in the collective knowledge:


Gravity is a Push 12a - WC Wright & Russellian Science - YouTube


Gravity is a Push 24a - WC Wright's Visual Model of Saturn's Rings - Russellian Science - YouTube

There are more parts to these videos if are interested.
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What would cause resistance to an electric field in free space?

Fiberglass insulation like used in the construction of homes



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Lets use water as an analogy like we do so often
If we have a flowing stream and we cause resistance to that stream say with a dam we can then channel that stream
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Fiberglass insulation like used in the construction of homes



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Mica ..... also found in ancient construction
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Which also has capacitive properties.
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The insulation didnt work, I'll tell ya its elusive
We'll find it
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I built one of the little spinners with a magnet, 1.5v battery and copper wire, I used 12 ga. house wire if you let it spin for a long while the wire gets so hot you cant hardly touch it, I know that little 1.5 volt battery is not putting out enough amps to heat the wire.
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For a bit of inspiration ..... as you know Tesla loved Vacuum tubes

How It's Made - vacuum tubes - YouTube



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Tesla also used mica and bees wax

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Eguchi Electrets from The Encyclopedia of free energy,energy21.org,energy 21 org Geoff Egel

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Introduction

"ELECTRET" is the name given to the dielectric which is electrized² permanently by a special treatment due to the author. Some waxes and resinous materials have moderate conductivity in their liquid state, while they are very good insulators in the solid state. The electrical conductivity of these materials varies gradually with the degree of solidification, and when the materials get moderately hard the conductivity becomes practically nil. The author let solidify a mixture of these materials in a strong electric field applied through all the time in which the solidification went on. The dielectric taken out of the field, after having been cooled sufficiently, showed very strong polarities on its two surfaces which were kept in contact with the electrode plates during the preparation. The electrization of such a dielectric could not he destroyed by several treatments, such as touching by Bunsen flame, exposure to X-rays, planing with knife, washing with some solvents, &c. Nor did it die away after the lapse of many years. From several subsequent studies, it has become evident that the electrical change of the dielectric is not of a superficial nature, but that it is a permanent internal change within the material.

The name "Permanent Electret" or simply " Electret" was given to the special dielectric at the ordinary meeting of the Physico-Mathematical Society of Japan, February 21, 1920³. Later, I found in Oliver Heaviside's ' Electrical Papers' the section with the title "Electrization and Electrification - Natural Electret" 4. In this paper he proposed for the first time to use the term "Electret" to fill the want for describing an intrinsically electrized body, and some possibilities of electrets were discussed on the theoretical point of view. The present method of preparation was, [p179] however, obtained independently and also in a way utterly different from his discussions.

The electret shows so great an intensity of electrization that the electric force exerted in front of the surface of the electret may attain the greatest sustainable value in the atmosphere. The permanency is also so good that we have detected no sensible decaying for these three or more years since the preparation.

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Karl Schappeller: Glowing Magnetism Prime Mover

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In a book titled The Physics of the Primary State of Matter, published in the 1930s, Karl Schappeller described his Prime Mover, a 10-inch steel sphere with quarter-inch copper tubing coils. These were filled with a material not named specifically, but which is said to have hardened under the influence of direct current and a magnetic field [electro-rheological fluid]. With such polarization, it might be guessed to act like a dielectric capacitor and as a diode.

The same material is inside the rotor. The transfer of electrons upward, and the magnetic field of the sphere combine to turn the rotor. No direct conversion of this energy to electricity is described, but the rotor could be attached to a generator...

According to Schappeller, the amount of this sustaining rotation of the device would be termed ‘glowing magnetism’ and be located at the center of the sphere. Present day terminology might be ‘plasma’.
one more : James Y Johnson -- Dipolar resonance -- Anomalous dispersion bands

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Electrets, that is to say, permanently polarized dielectrics ( the electrical analogues of permanent magnets ) can be made by subjecting a melted dielectric to the process according to the invention and then allowing it to solidify. Electrets produced by other process are, of course, already known. Thus a mixture of 100 gr glycerine, 50 gr beeswax, 550 gr montan wax and 400 gr pine resin was melted at 110* C and a layer 8 mm thick exposed for 10 minutes to a varying field fed by a generator giving 22.5 watts at a frequency correpsonding to a wavelength of from 145 to 185 cm on which was superimposed a constant field arising from a potential difference of 12,000 volts between plates 10-20 mm distant. The temperature was lowered to 20* C within 3 minutes. Permanent surface charges of the resulting plate up to 2 x 10^-9 coulomb/cm^2 were obtained.


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similar to Hubbard Coil

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This looks like a generator, just needs some wires

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So I have been thinking about this of late as well.
The Hubbard Coil is so similar.

If you were to PULSE the outer coils in the Hubbard Coil with
full-wave rectification of a AC signal, and if all the outer coils are
arranged in series such that they cause SPIN in the same direction,
you can create a pulsing vortex TORSION field.
One side will emit negative ions and make you feel great.
The other side will emit free-radicals and give you cancer.

The center coil, living in this TORSION whirl-wind of magnetic spin
will see a STEP-UP of voltage and current -- even if the number
of turns are the SAME as the turns in the outer coils.
Hence, you cannot use the same MATH for this type of transformer.
Its not a 8 to 1 ratio necessarily. I would predict it would have
a non-linear transforming curve. It should be possible to compare
input to output using the X-Y feature of most oscilloscopes to
see if you get a nice diagnal line (same phase) or circle (opposite phase),
or some other weird shape. If it is indead a non-linear transformer,
with TORSION ... the next thing to study is whether or not there
is any "power" gain. If the SPIN is always in the same direction and
NOT oscillating ... then like a vaccuum cleaner, it could suck power from
one side and spit it out the other side -- rather than the zero-point
back and forth alternating current idea. You want to encourage
a FLOW one way and tap into the emissions of the ambient surroundings.
Just don't be on the wrong side of this thing.
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This looks like a generator, just needs some wires

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Dave ..... I 'd like to bring your attention to the principle used in the Valvular tube ..... Nikola Tesla: Disk Turbine / Pump (Articles, patents, links)



works for a straight line but also works for a "circle"



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Furthermore, the conduits heretofore constructed were intended to be used in connection with slowly reciprocating machines, in which case enormous conduit-length would be necessary, all this rendering them devoid of practical value. By the use of an effective Valvular conduit, as herein described, and the employment of pulses of very high frequency, I am able to condense my apparatus and secure such perfect action as to dispense successfully with valves in numerous forms of reciprocating and rotary engines.

The high efficiency of the device, irrespective of the character of the pulses, is due to two causes: first, rapid reversal of direction of flow and, second, great relative velocity of the colliding fluid columns, As will be readily seen each bucket causes a deviation through an angle of 180°, and another change of 180 degrees occurs in each of the spaces between adjacent buckets. That is to say, from the time the fluid enters or leaves on of the recesses to its passage into, or exit from, the one following a complete cycle, or deflection through 360° is effected. Observe now that the velocity is but slightly reduced in the reversal so that the incoming and deflected fluid columns meet with a relative speed, twice that of the flow, and the energy of their impact is four times greater than with a deflection of only 90° , as might be obtained with pockets such as have been employed in asymmetrical conduits for various purposes. The fact is, however, that in these such deflection is not secured, the pockets remaining filled with comparatively quiescent fluid and the latter following a winding path of least resistance between the obstacles interposed. In such conduits the action cannot be characterized as Valvular because some of the fluid can pass almost unimpeded in a direction opposite to the normal flow. In my construction, as above indicated, the resistance in the reverse may be 200 times that in the normal direction. Owing to this a comparatively very small number of buckets or elements is required for checking the fluid. To give a concrete idea, suppose that the leak from the first element is represented by the fraction 1/X, then after the nth bucket is traversed, only a quantity (1/X)n will escape and it is evident that X need not be a large number to secure a nearly perfect Valvular action.
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Hey Morpher44 it reminded me of the Hubbard coils as well, I think the design is universal we see it in nature all the time, take a snow flake with its six spikes.
I designed this core system but never finished it.

My intention here was to isolate the primary completely using the small inner bands, in this pic I surmised using saturn as an example the iron bands would keep the electric field of the primary from radiating and isolate the field from the outside as well.

With the coils on the outer bands resonating the same as the primary they should draw energy from the vacuum, basically just using the primary as bait.

I may get back to it someday, I dont have a scope and you really need one for resonant projects. I should have one soon then I will play with this some more.

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Hey MM this reminds me of the way lightning travels, Id bet this would work well if building a Testatika gen.

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Same as this but with six windings in a 360, not layered six filar, energy moves through the system six times before exiting, energy amplification
What you wanna bet a magnet will suspend in the core
This is a dc system
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