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Old 11-04-2011, 01:23 AM
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i am good with that.
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Look at magnet motors when there's too much of a magnetic field pulsing through the iron core it heats up, on a massive scale the iron core of our planet heats up.
A star is mostly metal therefore the whole thing heats up, when the opposite spin directions are pulled into the core we get heat.
what about when its not pulsing
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I thought tesla said mass exerts no energy and can only receive energy from the environment, how did you come to that conclusion?
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Im not sure you guys completely understand my theory electrons do not come from atoms they come from the aether.
The aether powers atoms just like it does the sun,stars planets,solar system and the galaxy. The atom is not perpetual it is powered by the aether it has a magnetic field just like a star when the aether is pulled into the star by the magnetic field it heats the star so hot it burns the hydrogen and oxygen around it, thats why the main heat reaction is above the stars surface.
The atom is the same, maybe not as a star more like a solar system.
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It's possible. Question: how can we prove it ? I didn't found any satisfactory test. it's all ends up with free electrons in metal and how fast they can be moved.
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Im not sure you guys completely understand my theory electrons do not come from atoms they come from the aether.
The aether powers atoms just like it does the sun,stars planets,solar system and the galaxy. The atom is not perpetual it is powered by the aether it has a magnetic field just like a star when the aether is pulled into the star by the magnetic field it heats the star so hot it burns the hydrogen and oxygen around it, thats why the main heat reaction is above the stars surface.
The atom is the same, maybe not as a star more like a solar system.
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Romo, you are better knowledgeable than me on Russell, and i think you understand very well what I am seeing...I leave you the honor to answer nueview
nueview, I hope you don't mind...i will add info if necessary
I am still a student in the work of Russell, but I will do my best to relay my present understanding. It would be my pleasure.
If you have never read Russell before -- which I must assume, I must first give a summary of idea. I will try to summarize some of the nescessary concepts -- but for a better "whole picture" I strongly suggest reading his many works for yourself. I am still in the process of comprehending all of it -- he paints a very "big picture" to understand, but all the peices abide by the same principals.
To add to his general credibillity as a remarkable scientist -- 1926 he predicted tritium, deuterium, neptunium, plutonium -- and sent out his charts predicting these elements to many scientists. Twenty years later, some scientists became inspired by some of his predictions -- such as Hydrogen not being the "1st" element, as is listen on the melendeev periodic table; and began a search which resulted in the finding of heavy water. Likewise for other radioactive elements which fruited some of the elements/refining processes much of the "atomic suicide" power sources we have today. He was not given any credit for predicting these elements -- as well as others stealing his spiral/wave element periodic table structure. Tesla even had high regards for Russell's Cosmogony.
But, Enough of the introduction.

In great conceptual summary of russell's work, Russell says that matter grows through alternating phases of opposite pressure conditions, much like plants grow through alternating heating and cooling of day/night. Matter has a "seed" from which it grows in natural conditions.
Every one of his "18 dimensions" in his work "The Universal One" is a pressure condition.

Matter errects "tonal walls" by balancing the two opposing pressures of a dimension in a "cancelling zone" or "standing wave" to contain the pressures. When a pressure is voided in a lower dimension -- the matter compensates by adding increased potential in a higher dimension.

To translate something that is unfamiliar, I draw upon the familiar knowledge of pressures in the current senses which I understand -- Academia regonizes that there There are different "states" of matter representing a different energy density of that matieral (solid, liquid, gas).
Russell's table shows the growth of each "element/substance" through his tonal octave charts, each representing a different vibrational rate of each element.



Using MM's Cymatics visualization, you can see that different vibrational frequencies will produce different standing wave patterns.
Each increasing "octave" of matter indicates a higher energy density, or "potential". Each inert gas is a "master tone" of each octave -- the stable sphere in form. They are located at the centers of the sinewave periodic table, or at the horisontal equator on his circular chart. Each successive inert gas has a higher potential with a number attached to it -- the "light units" represent the potential energy contained in each successive form.


To my best understanding, Each element is a composite of all 18 dimensions -- how dominant each dimension shows its "effects" in each property of the elements is in each element depends on its vibrating frequency rate.

Sort of how Howard Johnson showed there were different individual "spins" in the permernant magnet -- that a North pole, actually had a south pole spin ALSO present -- I beleive that when referring to the feild of genetics they call the present, but weak south pole a "recessive trait", and the north "dominant".

The red represents contractive, electropositive, the blue, radiative electronegative. The yellow arrows are pointing towards the noble gasses position.
Each element, according to its vibrational "position" on the table of elements in the periodic table has a certain standing wave structure, which we observe to "look like" the element;s atomic structure.
The growth of each element progresses from an "electropositive", contractive on the "inhale" side of the wave. On the charts the electropositive elements are labeled by the "+"
I have flipped the carbon picture on its side, with the yellow arrow pointing towards carbon, so you could see that carbon is an ecliptic plane -- growing from the sphere of a noble gas.

If you were to see that each inert gas is the "master tone" of each octave, or that it holds the "entire potential record" of energy states the octave that each element is in -- you could begin to visualize the "transformation" "growth" or "transmutation". Russell goes over that in his book "Universal one".
Here is a picture of a noble gas sphere. The yellow "line" in the center is a carbon ecliptic. if you can follow the direction of the arrows, you can follow the transition from the inhalation through electropositive (red), to the exhalation of electronegative (blue).

This is an example of two superimposed Russell drawings from "The universal One" to illustrate an element locked in the first potential position. this is for conceptual understanding.


Now, that should be "good enough" to roughly relay why Iron and copper are opposite conductors of each force.

Where its position on his "sinewave" periodic table of elements tells us of some of the the element's dominant characteristics. His circular periodic table, tells us of several different pressures.

Lines to follow -- the elements "motion rates" are determined by where they are "discharging" -- in other words, their magnetic axises.

for instance, this "example" has an electropositive contraction cone that looks to be a little bit "off" from the center rotating axis -- making me guess that it would be something like a 2- element.

What you are asking about, are why/how I can tell that the mid-tones of copper and Iron are preferential conductors of "opposite forces" -- or opposite sides of the wave?
Here are the two charts again:

(From the Universal One)



Now, I know that the "circle" table shows that iron IS electropositive. So, why doesn't it prefer to "conduct" voltage (the electropositive, contracting force), if it IS electropositive itself?
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Now if you're asking "why" as in, which dimensions that those two standing wave formations they are being influenced by/transducing between -- I cannot tell you exactly. I do not know -- that's something I'm still trying to add to my understanding.
But, if you were to ask me how I CAN SEE that they prefer to "conduct" the forces they do?
Russell usually says to "think in light" -- the elements use light as their recording system for their past histories, and their present behaviors.
So, I show you the spectral asorbtionchart of Iron + copper (Thanks alex petty!)

from the asorbtion charts -- the elements are telling me themselves (you've gotta rememeber what those colors mean) -- I can see that the iron is more susceptible to ASORB the EXHALE or "magnetic" force from another element. There is very little red "asorbtion" lines, and so I can see that the element doesn't like to asorb much voltage.
Copper doesn't like magnetism as much as iron (exhale, expansive electric worker), but likes voltage (genero-active, contractive electric worker) more than iron does, by far.
You know how kids have those toys to put in certain shapes in their proper slots? I'm pretty much crudely doing the same thing but with the colors, knowing their general properties.

Same thing with emission. See for yourself which one -- after having asorbed some of "X" potential, which frequency (inhale or exhale) it will conduct the wave to.
The tricky part which I've spent a bit of time staring at spectral emission and asorbtion charts for, is comparing the same position (3+, or 3-) to their previous octaves to see which "light lines" are active in that octave, and which ones are just a record of where the element has been as "history" or "its story".

So again, why does iron EMIT the opposite polarity of what it itself IS? The best I can currently say, is that each half goes through a "zero point" or a "tonal wall of inertia", and reflects off. Kinda like how if you throw a ball at a flat wall at a 45 degree angle, it'll reflect off at the opposite 45 degree angle.

Hope this helps.
MM, Please correct me if I am wrong, or feel free to add anything I missed in my perception.
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Dave, the solar system analogy is very accurate in regards to the atom.

Atoms in systems, in a fractal universe would also be fractal
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centripetal energy is the basis of life whereas centrifugal energy is the basis of decay and destruction.
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i want to thank you all for all the material posted i need to read through it all.
something just seems to be off from what i have seen so perhaps i should keep going the way i was going and see were it takes me.
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i was looking at dale ponde's studies and what he has found.
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Good to read you Dave, could you have a look at my last post on the Golden Tractate Thread , let me know what you think

also your image applies as well to the following

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this at least fits what schauberger said energy does not make right angle turns.
it is also similar to the n-machine lots of spinning charge but no voltage.
it is like a puzzle what keeps track of the coming and going which is generating the magnetic field because the magnetic field is a dipole but charge can be seperate but move as a dipole action.
i am doing a poor job at this so will stop.
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sorry for the spam
but i am trying to get out an idea stuck in my head to you the one thing all the planets have in common is there spin wether they have a magnetic field or not from a major iron core or not they all have spin so dipole charge spin alone can occur the magnetic seems to be a seperate structuring action.
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sorry for the spam
but i am trying to get out an idea stuck in my head to you the one thing all the planets have in common is there spin wether they have a magnetic field or not from a major iron core or not they all have spin so dipole charge spin alone can occur the magnetic seems to be a seperate structuring action.
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could you elaborate, please...you are not spamming...we are all here to learn...hence the discussion

images are always welcome

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ok i will try to explain what i am thinking it is kind of hard and may be what you are trying to explain as well.

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this is a circuit i built to try to show folks that something is wrong it ran for 38 days and i shut it down the circuit runs down during the day and charges at night or the other way around but the main point is the battery after about two days reads almost no current so what is the force that keeps it running it isn't current for sure.

i do not know how to post a drawing here but have two more circuits that kind of go with this they were made years ago and do work but they are not proper electronics as i was just learning back then and am not so sure that was a good thing.

i am pretty sure that all this has to do with the spin and how the charge and magnetic fields breath outside and then inverse on the inside of matter.
and this may account for the charge packet we term as the electron which really isn't at all.

if you could tell me how to post a picture it would help allot sorry i am not a computer nerd.
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open an account with ( i use ) Register for free at Photobucket.com

once you have signed up just click upload , it will taker to a page where you upload files from your pc....once it is done just select IMG code










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ok here goes

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there are three pictures and they may need some explanation and right now i just want to see if they post and in what order.
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ok let me try to explain as best i can what i was thinking

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the video has to do with checking out some things don smith had to say about driving circuits with square waves and how they do not work properly on his system and so need to be properly phased to get a feedback it took me a while to wigure it out but it appears he was correct.

power1.gif picture by geshbeddin - Photobucket

hope this works this picture is of a circuit i did a long time ago it is a transformer with a center tap for the 12v side and a 120 v input but i reversed it. the idea was to drive lights such as flourescent tubes to start it running you need to tap the 120 v side of the transformer with a voltage from the battery once it starts it will run on the RC cycles set by the resistors and caps. be careful with this circuit as it is HV and really bites on the secondary.

power1.gif picture by geshbeddin - Photobucket

this picture is a bit more complicated and much more difficult to tune i was looking at how to reduce the input current from the battery and still have better control over the circuit i can't say it all worked as planned. if it is adjusted with the load in place on the secondary it is fine but it must be adjusted for that load alter the load and all bets are off.

power1.gif picture by geshbeddin - Photobucket

ok this circuit is driven from an ac input the wiring is not normal i know but it was done to see why an arcing motor would self run it appears that the charge from the open coil going to the tank circuit through neutral and ground does of its own free will know which side of the tank circuit to go to much like static charges while running and the opencircuit seems to add a power fluxuation to the tank circuit as well upsetting the balance as if it is riding on a large wave as well.
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brilliant martin ( nueview ), really is.

you are on a path to something very interesting, really, keep on experimenting.

a little hint for ya ( or anybody playing with this ), resonant drive, royar oscillator, ...

think simple, let your mind run.

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ok let me try to explain as best i can what i was thinking

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the video has to do with checking out some things don smith had to say about driving circuits with square waves and how they do not work properly on his system and so need to be properly phased to get a feedback it took me a while to wigure it out but it appears he was correct.



hope this works this picture is of a circuit i did a long time ago it is a transformer with a center tap for the 12v side and a 120 v input but i reversed it. the idea was to drive lights such as flourescent tubes to start it running you need to tap the 120 v side of the transformer with a voltage from the battery once it starts it will run on the RC cycles set by the resistors and caps. be careful with this circuit as it is HV and really bites on the secondary.



this picture is a bit more complicated and much more difficult to tune i was looking at how to reduce the input current from the battery and still have better control over the circuit i can't say it all worked as planned. if it is adjusted with the load in place on the secondary it is fine but it must be adjusted for that load alter the load and all bets are off.




ok this circuit is driven from an ac input the wiring is not normal i know but it was done to see why an arcing motor would self run it appears that the charge from the open coil going to the tank circuit through neutral and ground does of its own free will know which side of the tank circuit to go to much like static charges while running and the opencircuit seems to add a power fluxuation to the tank circuit as well upsetting the balance as if it is riding on a large wave as well.
Martin
hope this works

just to have the pics included , hope you don't mind
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thanks allot MM
as i said i am not real good with computer.
just remember i never said any of this was over unity it was all just done for the learning.
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can't start running before you have learned to walk....OU or not it's all learning...which leads to new ideas...etc....
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Since watching the MIT vid on the leyden jar, Iv been looking at glass and found they do make glass caps, they are expensive and hard to get.
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They also exhibit unusual properties, Im going to make a cap with pure water and freeze it, I want to know more about whats happening with a cap.

A long glass rod in the core of a coil, need to freeze one

Wrap the Don Smith rig on a glass rod, would be interesting.
wrap the primary on the outside

There could be something to it...just from the water drop experiment...you see the water dropelets behave like a capacitor

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quite an amazing experiment .....looking forward to hear the results Dave
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guys this was a nice demonstration for children but lets take it up a bit.
the lord kelvin static machine builds a charge and destroys it so every couple seconds you get a spark.
lets take this up and build a volume of power and then use it over and over.

Electrostatic Energy - YouTube

there are other ways of working charges and on one of these forums dollard was talking to this direct point.
if you check out Dr Stiffler he is doing the same type of thing.

have any of you isolated a circuit on a piece of glass and then connected it to a static machine and elevated its potential to see what happens with the resistors and other components and then used the opposite potential to do the same testing again.
i would bet the thought had not even crossed your mind i did it and a few more just to see you would be amazed what happens.
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well i see i went to far again it just cost me another computer.
good video dave allot of truth but it will not fix the problems if you think terminator isn't comming look around what happens when you can't trust the police you build robots so you need free energy and they already have it and the programs and the unmanned factories.
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could detail what were the effects you observed in the experiment

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have any of you isolated a circuit on a piece of glass and then connected it to a static machine and elevated its potential to see what happens with the resistors and other components and then used the opposite potential to do the same testing again.
i would bet the thought had not even crossed your mind i did it and a few more just to see you would be amazed what happens.
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Old 11-16-2011, 11:32 PM
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hi all
yeah i'm on the other computer now.
ok lets see transformers are supposed to be low frequency and i guess that depends on you deffinition of low frequency 4 khz in a resonant drive two pole induction motor is really fast.
the idea was to drive a small 1/10 hp induction motor at high frequency power from a 12v source much like an inverter but to limit the amount of losses to the circuit KISS most inverters at the time were like 60-70% efficient and so i was looking for another way and stumbled into this configuration. then i capped the motor and got the draw downbut it all got out of balance and brass bushing motors do not hold up to that kind of speeds.
i tryed the tesla thing of using lots of pole to get the motor speed down but the coils got to big for the number of poles but the power was pretty good for ceramic grade 8 magnets best there were at the time.
so i dropped this aproach and started to go after the pure resonance effect which got me to looking into the resonance of iron and steels used in transformers the only people that had the information were seimans corporation and there engineer was very helpful but he was wondering why i would want that information he was working on MRI at the time.
it came out that it was a bit more complicated than just getting a frequency and he recommended i get a book on saturable reactors then after reading it it was clear that the frequency was dependant on allot of the construction factors of the transformer and i had not the equipment for this kind of testing and still do not but there are some that do but they were not interested so i went as far as i could.
you can get allot from resonance and there are several types of resonance as i was to find out and when running a load on a transformer keeping everything resonant from the input to the load gets very interesting it was evident some more had to be understood but it was the interaction that was so fascinating the plasma of the bulb effected by your hand the voltage rise and current fall as temperature varied components it lead to me knowing that things are not as we are tought in books and that there is a difference between current and charge. now we have people saying there is a difference but at the time i was just nuts.
what does charge density have to do with heat? can you change the charge ratio and effect the heating of an item? yes
this got me studying electrostatics and a few of tesla's tell circuits we think that magnetic is the major electric force in nature but it is not static field energy rules.
you can build oscillators that run from the long earth cycle of the earth orbiting the sun and the moon day cycle as well these are the most prevalent the earth cycle for statics is about 15 seconds longfor half cycle without this there would be no heating.
the third circuit had to do with this it made a 60hz signal of 120v double in voltage and drop to 7.5hz and then dim and brighten my shop lights every second and a half or so and about every 9 seconds produce a thump with the transformer wanting to spin physically i do not know why but i would not do this again at these voltage levels. it reminded me of electrostatics charging and getting more powerful without dissipating. this is very dangerous so if you should not play with this at any high power levels as i did and i take no responceability for any harm that comes to anyone trying this.
it does follow what i have seen in many circuit of overunity devices but it needs allot of work and i cannot afford it nor do i have the equipment to properly study these effects.
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hi dave
i had to think about what you said about spin and there is only one spin ever its just weather you are looking inward or outward top or bottom. there is the force connected with each centrifugance or centropedence vacuum or compression.
magnetic hangs somewhere in the ration scaling.same goes for heat just a different ratio.
Martin

do any of you watch the post counters for this site this thread had 89 posts and 1200 views before i posted we are now 92 posts and 1712 views interesting!

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do any of you watch the post counters for this site this thread had 89 posts and 1200 views before i posted we are now 92 posts and 1712 views interesting!

It's because your truth resonates (pun intended) with the 1712 views , and the discussion is interesting
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Old 11-17-2011, 05:06 PM
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have you ever tried taking a good distilled water and measure the resistance of it through a small plastic tube then freeze it and measure it again just to see.
it should have a very high resistance
then add baking soda to the water and set the resistance of the water to some value you can measure and refreeze it and then read the resistance again does it change because the water froze does it act different than a normal resistor
i have wondered if solar cells could be made this way layering up different duped layers of ice or transistor even there could be a way of teaching or learning how these devices work.

Monsieur
i have always had a thing for ratios and numbers it is like some sort of fixation
this often drives me nuts with some things in science like the casimir effect and e fields one spreads evenly over an area the other says it wants to gather and join if the frequency is same this would be true but not with random frequencys involved.
so does the e field reprosent the infinite random of its nature?
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