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Old 05-21-2010, 01:41 PM
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What I was saying is that if you wanted to try and use the "input" batts drive the pulser and then "charge" the "input batts" (kind of a self runner) then you would have issues and could fry components.

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Thank U, I learned a lot from your circuit's

I made another video with the solar panel as input and the input current stay's stable

SolarPanel_In-Out

I also found some video's I made a while back of my Scalar Charger (self runner), maybe someone find's them interesting...

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Hi scratchrobot, do I have to read the all thread to find the details on your setup, or do you have a file or a website with all resumed ?
Thanks for sharing
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Thank U, I learned a lot from your circuit's

I made another video with the solar panel as input and the input current stay's stable

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You may have one of the tranny's not turning fully off, or your cap bank is not fully getting charged in the time you pulse to empty them. You also may have a "Leaky Cap".

Just my thoughts

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Hi scratchrobot, do I have to read the all thread to find the details on your setup, or do you have a file or a website with all resumed ?
Thanks for sharing
I posted the circuit earlier today so just go a few post's back and U will find it.

Since the sun is shining so bright today I couldn't resist to do another video with my tiny solar pannel TS_PVAmp_Panel2.jpg as the input

I love the Sun

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I posted the circuit earlier today so just go a few post's back and U will find it.

Since the sun is shining so bright today I couldn't resist to do another video with my tiny solar pannel Attachment 5557 as the input

I love the Sun

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Scratchrobot, are you using the PIC to control the pulses?
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Scratchrobot, are you using the PIC to control the pulses?
Yes I am using the picaxe.
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Tesla Switch "mechanical version"

Hi all, I thought you guys may want to see the latest project that I am working with: Mechanical version of the Tesla switch, all is left is switch contacts wire terminals, diode bride and the capacitors.

It's not an easy project to tackle with, but I was so curious about it so
decided to get on with it. I don't know that it will work but here it's guys.

See the video: YouTube - Tesla switch

One thing I am thinking right now is what type of brushes to use?
If you have any idea or a suggestion please share it.
thanks
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this one it's an interesting need tool, you may want to save the link.
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@scratchrobot:
It's amazing how you last video shows the same effect as Bedini's Solar Switch

I think he puts several such circuits in parallel in his larger models, and with the same input he can pulse several cap banks (just my opinion)

And the wire moving with each impulse is also the same on Bedini video ... he could send pulses showing 60 A on the output through a very small wire. This give to think that it's cold electricity, not the normal one !

Just his output pulses seem a bit longer than yours, but that might just be tunning, or one of his secret inside his pulsers ...

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Those tubes ...

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Sorry I didn't see your question about the 'tubes'.



They are modified transistors, By John Bedini, to make negative resistors/oscillators.
He talked about a few years ago, but we never knew what was inside.
Now he revealed it in the DVDs, number 12 'Petrovoltaics', and number 18 'transmutation'. The Tom Bearden Website - online store

(they are not related to the patent, but I included them on the picture, at that time I didn't know how it was made)

IMO it's a piece of stone connected to the transistor contacts, to create a non linear transistor, that is connected to the Lattice. See the DVD attentively

About the following picture:
Notice that the values of elements might not be exact.
I made this picture a few years back, and values are from the patent's text, but the text is somewhat confusing at some points.



So please check the patent yourself to be sure of the right values (don't forget I know nothing in electronics, but by doing this 'pictures' I just wanted to help with the little I could at that time)
The complete webpage is here: Zero Point Energy - John Bedini Solid State Generator - MDG 2007
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Sorry I didn't see your question about the 'tubes'.
Thank U very much for answering my question and doing the 'pictures'
I also know almost nothing in electronics but find Bedini's circuit's very interesting and read this patent many times already.

I'm gonna search for some rocks now

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Thank U very much for answering my question and doing the 'pictures'
I also know almost nothing in electronics but find Bedini's circuit's very interesting and read this patent many times already.

I'm gonna search for some rocks now

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I consider that rock-issue very interesting.
What kind of mineral could it be?
According to Bearden, that is Bedini´s speciality.
As a kid he used to build his own transistors out of rocks.
So i guess just putting "any rock" onto the pins won´t do it.
If the circuit really amplifies, it must be mainly attributed to
negative resistance or non-linearly operating components, which should
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Old 05-22-2010, 02:35 PM
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He shows the rock in the video and explains how it works, and we can see for a fraction of a second the inside of this modified transistor.
Then in DVD 18 he explains how he made the negative resistors, the process to extract the material from different kind of rocks.

In DVD 12 he also describes that Moray machine was using this kind of valves, and Bearden tells us how many of those valves/diodes Moray has in his converter.

Bedini says A LOT in those DVD, but he still stops several times in the middle or start of a sentence, and we can feel that he still scared to reveal much because of SEVERAL death threats he received during his life of discoveries ...

I wish I had his knowledge and ability to manufacture free electricity devices, because I would have spread them all around without scaring to die.

Of course you can not stay in a huge house with a brand new corvette and delicious meals everyday if you want to fight to change this world !

But everyone has freedom of choice, everything as a purpose ... not judging, nobody is to be blamed as says Dr Lindemann ... people is not ready for free electricity ... energy monopole in the hand of those gangsters is not a problem, see BP's latest innovation, viva el petrol !
(this last paragraph was sarcastic)
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Old 05-22-2010, 02:57 PM
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Back to the switch

To come back to your very interesting experiments, I wanted to add that if you load the charging battery with lights for example, the pulses should become higher.
As we saw in the video by Bedini for Energenx (taken off youtube already) named "Tesla Switch Solar Amplifier with Solar Panels-high"; he was running the switch from 2x200W solar panels, and then when he asked to Rick to switch on the load (car headlights), the pulses to the battery went from 7A peak to 12A peak !!! And Bedini said "it's gona regulate to compensate for the load"

This brings me to the idea that, after the pulse in the caps and disconnection from the source, floating time, the caps are charging from the environment, and when you connect the load battery, it increases the pumping effect, and that why if the battery are bigger or more load is added, more energy is pumped from the environment in the caps, and sent to the load ...

Can you try with added load in // of the batteries ? If the pulses increase that might prove that you have the exact same effect has Bedini.
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Yes I have tried that already.. the circuit I use does not disconnect from the source but YES my caps are charging from the environment (PV panel)

I do get the same effect, the bigger the load the higher the output, while the battery is getting charged the pulses are getting lower.

Made a video of shunting the LED an adding a load to the battery, because the Sun was not shining I used my power supply as the input
TS_PV_Amp_No_LED_Bulb.MOV

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To come back to your very interesting experiments, I wanted to add that if you load the charging battery with lights for example, the pulses should become higher.
As we saw in the video by Bedini for Energenx (taken off youtube already) named "Tesla Switch Solar Amplifier with Solar Panels-high"; he was running the switch from 2x200W solar panels, and then when he asked to Rick to switch on the load (car headlights), the pulses to the battery went from 7A peak to 12A peak !!! And Bedini said "it's gona regulate to compensate for the load"

This brings me to the idea that, after the pulse in the caps and disconnection from the source, floating time, the caps are charging from the environment, and when you connect the load battery, it increases the pumping effect, and that why if the battery are bigger or more load is added, more energy is pumped from the environment in the caps, and sent to the load ...

Can you try with added load in // of the batteries ? If the pulses increase that might prove that you have the exact same effect has Bedini.
Well to achieve that effect you would have to make sure that your circuit is having a negative resistance or inductance, then every now ohm of load resistance will increase the energy.
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Old 05-23-2010, 07:12 AM
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Great video, the pulses go up to 4A !!!
This is amzing because you don't disconnect the input !
Can you explain the phases through which goes your circuit ?
Is it the circuit from the patent ?
Can you detail your parts please ?

I don't understand why your pulses are higher on output if you are just pulsing normally?!
Under load your input goes up to 600mA and your output pulses up to 4A, this should be due to the floating caps pumping vacuum energy, but because you are not disconnected from the input it shouldn't do that IMO ?!
Definitely a veeeeery interesting setup man

Do you have an oscilloscope to see the pulse profile ?


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Yes it is strange indeed, the caps charging from vacuum energy works on a SG under the NEGATIVE energy pulse from the collapsing magnetic field, but in this solid state charger patent, Bedini shows that the effect can be done with POSITIVE energy pulses in a capacitor.
So it seems that after the pulse the capacitor becomes a NEGATIVE resistor
Now I think that scratchrobot circuit is doing exactly that, as described in the patent
The effect will be better when he will disconnect the input after the pulse, as Bedini describes, and more important it won't increase the input pulse like it is the case on his latest video, so the gain will be even higher, the input not being affected.

I think if Bedini is right and the capacitor becomes a NEGATIVE resistor after a certain kind of POSITIVE pulse is sent to it, this is the greatest discovery in electronic since ever !

I hope he is not using a NEGATIVE resistor or a NEGATIVE oscillator as he was doing in his HI-FI sound filters in the past, because it will make the thing almost impossible to reproduce, even if now he explained how to manufacture them.
Of course no mention of NEGATIVE elements in his patent, because examiners would never accept his patent. But may be he is using one in the working device ...

So lets concentrate to study, improve and reproduce scratchrobot's circuit, because so far HE HAS THE SAME EFFECT as described in the patent and shown on Bedini's videos ))
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Old 05-23-2010, 11:23 AM
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You should read the pdf StefanC made Link
I think he is right here and we just compress the energy in a shorter amount of time by discharging the Cap's to the battery.
Maybe this way we can fool the battery and charge it better than with the normal input
I will have to test some more to confirm this.

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Old 05-23-2010, 02:36 PM
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Whatever the theory, only the results count !

I trust John Bedini on that point, and he says his Solar Switch is an amplifier of energy, so there is more output than input.


Whatever the theory, if I can have a device that puts more energy out than in, and that is cheap and easy to manufacture, I will publicize it to NGOs and third world entrepreneurs, to offer free electricity to the very poor.

That is all I/we ask for !


Theories should just be means to improve a working device, it shouldn't be a goal. Theories is NOT what they need. They need free power to have a chance to build themselves a better future, as have done developed countries.

I don't even think about convincing governments, scientists, powerful people and companies; I just want to give a light that lights itself, a home heater that needs no fuel, to those that don't have an access to those things.
And it needs to be low-tech because it has to be built locally, not depending of big investments/companies or governments, because they are all corrupted.

If his Solar Switch amplifies electricity, and is made only with a few caps, transistors and a chip, it is the best technology available today at such a small production cost.


We can not expect his device to be open, all the components will be buried in black resin to protect against replication, as for his chargers.
To make a few hundred thousand dollars, he blocks the all rest of the world to access this life saving technology. I will not support him in that cruel decision.

But if all the data is really in his patent, then there is hope that this product might be produced in poor countries, at cost price, for the poorest. I just wish he would give this info on an open source basis, to give a direct humanitarian contribution toward the poorest.

One day you say you are humanitarian, and the next you sell expensive devices and forbid the poor to copy your life saving technology. I don't understand this kind of paradox, I see it as hypocrisy or miss understanding of the real situation ...
The poor needs free electricity, if you know how to make it, just give it to him. Please.
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Thanks for the pdf, I didn't see it before.
I think it might be important to disconnect the input after the pulse.
Is it very difficult to do ?

In the theory, what about the output pulse increasing when there is more load on the output ?!
Remember that in Bedini's device the input is disconnected, so the input is NOT proportional to the output !! His input doesn't change, BUT the output increases if the load is bigger.

Here we touch the point.
1/ Bedini's input has no way to know what the output will be.
2/ The input is disconnected at the time when the output connects.
3/ Still the output increases when the load is bigger.

One possibility is that the bigger load pumps faster the energy available in the caps, so the energy comes out in a shorter time and at an higher rate/Ampere.
And then the amount of energy is the same in both cases, and the energy gain is made in the battery when it receives those large pulses ...

I wish I knew the way to make free electricity and stop searching and turning in circle I wish somebody who knows would tell us.
Edit: Or I wish I had enough money to buy the knowledge from one of those guys After all they are looking for money in keeping this secret, no ?
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I would be a bit more careful to put John Bedini into that light.
After all he is one of the few people that DID share pretty much all his circuits in the past.
Who knows if forums like this would even exist, if it wasn´t for the Monopole motor yahoo groups, that got many many people interested in free energy.
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Sorry but I still looking for the file where he explains how to make a free electricity device
I am stupid, but if this file was on internet, I wouldn't be here I would be distributing free electricity devices in a third world country

You see in the latest DVD, number 18, things that he never revealed before (about how to make the rock powder to manufacture the NEGATIVE resistors and oscillators), so we hadn't all the details for such device before the DVD ... but we were asking him since many years

So you become a hero when you say you can save the world, or when you DO IT ?

Anyway I won't interfere in your QUEST. I feel like I loose my time studying the work of all those genius and inventors, after all I have the proof that they keep the KEY SECRET, so there is no hope for me to success replicating their devices nor get free electricity.

But they sell a lot of staff, and live comfortably. Ok, no problem, they have the right to make business, BUT they steal the poor when they call themselves HUMANITARIANS.

Thanks and good luck.
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Thanks for the pdf, I didn't see it before.
I think it might be important to disconnect the input after the pulse.
Is it very difficult to do ?
Thanks go to StefanC.
No it's not difficult to do, I will test that again, The circuit in the pdf does that also IMHO

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One possibility is that the bigger load pumps faster the energy available in the caps, so the energy comes out in a shorter time and at an higher rate/Ampere.
And then the amount of energy is the same in both cases, and the energy gain is made in the battery when it receives those large pulses ...
That's how I think it works

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How to measure it ?
Supercapacitors on the input and output, then very easy to see and calculate the energy spent/sent ?!
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I'm gonna compare this with a conventional solar charger

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Hi ALL , i spoke to John Koorn about the advantages of the John B switch.

here is what i got .

And of course there are the battery rejuvenation properties that will extend the life of the batteries as you mentioned below.

In summary, some of the features of the Tesla Power Amplifier are:

· Replaces or eliminates the need for a charge controller

· Increases the power from your existing solar panel installation

· Allows limited space solar panel installations to experience greater power production.

· Produces power during in overcast skies and low levels of ambient light.

· Batteries are kept in an optimal state extending their useful life.

· The Amp Hour capacity of your battery bank will be increased.
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Thank you for the info, it definitely looks like the description of an amplifier, bringing more output than without it.
And the rejuvenating effect is there too, is it due to NEGATIVE spikes ? Mistery.

@scratchrobot
Thanks for the replies, can you tell me how much it would cost to make your pulser, because I have 2 months to wait for the Bedini I ordered, and during that time I would be please to try one circuit like yours.

@all
I am very sorry if I might look aggressive towards those celebrities of the free energy movement, but I have lived with for years and know many people staying in very poor conditions.
What we talk about here since many years, the books or DVDs they offer, the devices that we can buy, are NOT the solution the poor need, there.

They need a compact and low tech electric generator, cheap and easy to maintain, and I know that some of those inventors know how to make one, but keep the secret for themselves.

That makes me angry, yes, my stomach is revolted when I think of all the good that such a device could do THERE.

I don't understand why they keep it for themselves, when they could just build one and send it anonymously to Panacea for example, and from there the knowledge could be spread all over the world for free !
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Thanks for the replies, can you tell me how much it would cost to make your pulser, because I have 2 months to wait for the Bedini I ordered, and during that time I would be please to try one circuit like yours.
Which one did you order?
I don't know the exact cost's but I think the capacitors are the most expensive, for the pulsing you can use the SG3525 or maybe a 555.
I wonder if I could use one of these baby's? Car-Audio-Capacitor.jpg You get lot's of Farhad's for your money

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That makes me angry, yes, my stomach is revolted when I think of all the good that such a device could do THERE.
I feel you and maybe this device is a good option for those countries, they usually have enough sun and if it can double the output to the battery

I'm now charging on a quicker rate TS_PV_Amp_Quick_charging.MOV
After 20 minutes charging this happened TS_PV_Amp_Quick_charging2.MOV
So yes the device is self regulating

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They need a compact and low tech electric generator, cheap and easy to maintain, and I know that some of those inventors know how to make one, but keep the secret for themselves.
That why all of us are in this... That why we are sharing as progress comes along.

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I want to read the battery voltage and pass it to the picaxe chip, do you know how to do that? I know you were using it on your previous TS. Maybe you have a diagram on how to do that?

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I want to read the battery voltage and pass it to the picaxe chip, do you know how to do that? I know you were using it on your previous TS. Maybe you have a diagram on how to do that?

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First you must set up a voltage divider. Let's say the desired voltage of the battery is 12.5 Volts. You will need the voltage divider to present you with about 2.5 volts so a resistor value of 10k and 22K works pretty well. Once this is set up correctly, @12.5 volts the chip will see 2.5 volts on the pin you have selected for the ADC input. On the attached drawing, pin 0 is the pin sensing the voltage divider, so your command in the chip will be "ReadADC 0, Volts" (or whatever variable you choose). If your were to look at the value of "Volts" in this case, you would see that the value is 127. In the digital world, an ADC pin see's values from 0 to 255. This is why you set your voltage divider at half scale so you'll be able to read the voltage swing from about 10.5 to 15.5.

Hope this helps.

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