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Old 04-15-2010, 06:10 PM
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Thanks a zillion , will study
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Darkwizard,
Is this a solid state dual cap dumped SG (jt) type of setup?

You seem to dump while running, so no self sustained setup?

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This is my research Attachment 5305

When you close the switch the spike is developed, that is why some people uses resistors to charge the cap, but the resistor transfer the energy into heat,

now with a coil you can transduce it into real power.

High inductance, very low impedance coil.

DW,

I'm in total agreement with your findings and explanation.

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Yes, it is two solid state/ sg / joule thief / setup. The best choice is the School Girl motor in resonant mode. With some generator coils the better....


No it isn't self-sustaining, and i won't close the circuit because doing that will burn the energy.

I'm trying to figure out which coil or transformer is the best...

PD: John mind is wonderful....

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Old 04-16-2010, 03:46 PM
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@Darkwizard:

What's the rationale for using two SGs? Are they in-sync or out of phase, or just out of tune (non equal cycle/sec)?
Why not use quafilar or pentafilar one SG (4 BJT)?
Or did it happen by chance?

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The circuit can be modified in order to use trifilar, quadfilar or pentafilar coils, it is your own choice, i'm just showing the basic concept there.

Thanks for the remark.
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just read the document

stevan, you are like wiley coyote super genius

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This is how i did it (PUBLIC DOMAIN)

"https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B8Bd_xdCEfDkOTgyMTM5OWEtMjgyYy00OWE3LTg4N TMtODllYTc4MDYxNzAw&hl=en"

I'm not swearing, it's google docs.
report problems if any?

This is PUBLIC and is GPLv3 (not allowed to be closed any more)


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Old 04-17-2010, 12:10 PM
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stevan, you are like wiley coyote super genius
stonewater?
should I now joy or frown for it?


hopefuly I end up better than he
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What about more energetic solar panels?

@StevanC -

HUGE congrats on a really nice job on PV amp/Tesla Switch

@All - Some of the bigger solar panels are pretty energetic like 200 watts at
~27volts and ~8 amps DC, or so. Any experience or suggestions as to
best way to marry up StevanC's PVAmp with beefier solar panels? Some crude
guesses include 100 Volt Caps . . . 24+Volt charging battery - and try to stay
inside the SOA of the MJL, if possible. Just curious about the bigger panels . . .

Best,

Plazma

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Old 04-18-2010, 03:19 AM
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bedini radiant amplifier

I saw one of Johns switches at an energy conference last week in idaho. 410 volts of solar panel at 12V had no problems..... they are going to be releasing an 80 amp model!
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Please Clarify . . .

@Stonewater

Thanks for the information - but I am a bit confused as to the numbers
you mention - that is, 1) do you mean that a 410 V DC PV string is being used to charge a 12 V DC battery; or 2) a 410 Watt solar panel at 12 volts was being used by the switch to charge a battery bank? 80 amps on the input?! WOW! Very impressive.

Thanks for any clarification.

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Spike

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Ok,
1)one doubles the voltage and slams it back to the battery(Scalar Charger)
2)but it is more then that as this one is a current charge pump.
3)This is very simple to do with two transistors and some diodes.
4)The first part of this is how much potential can you move in a micro second before the current builds up in the circuit?
John B
from post #1028

MY first guide is no.4) can be curtailed to
1)HOW MUCH(before the current builds up in the circuit)
2)CURRENTLESS POTENTIAL(before the current builds up in the circuit)
3)move in A MICRO second(before the current builds up in the circuit)

I'm starting to see the spike in my every circuit. Negistor is beyond me.
1)Spike is pulsing in a microsecond(may be 200~500 nano second)
2)Before main current flows on steady state(need 10~30us to reach max)
3)So this spike is not related to how many current flows in the circuit.
4)Impedance needs to be checked very carefully.
CURRENT is not the solution.
The only soultion is the swithing and impedance.

Onemore thing.
I saw something on the simplified circuit with 2Trs and 10 diodes.
With the correct pulsing and proper impedance
this siplified circuit CAN BE WORKED properly like othe complicated circuit.
Anyway let's go ahead and further.

Regards,

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Guys do you know that the

Modified Tesla Switch Solar Charger from Energex
YouTube - MVI_2378.AVI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEEnZdpMHtE

Is gone? , i cant find any video's on them, have they all gone??.

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Yes . They are all gone
I installed the ASK toolbar. With it you can go back and save all the You Tube videos that you watched after wards.
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Old 04-19-2010, 07:55 AM
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@StevanC -

HUGE congrats on a really nice job on PV amp/Tesla Switch

@All - Some of the bigger solar panels are pretty energetic like 200 watts at
~27volts and ~8 amps DC, or so. Any experience or suggestions as to
best way to marry up StevanC's PVAmp with beefier solar panels? Some crude
guesses include 100 Volt Caps . . . 24+Volt charging battery - and try to stay
inside the SOA of the MJL, if possible. Just curious about the bigger panels . . .

Best,

Plazma
Plazma,
kind thanks.

RE @all:
There is little chance in scaling up a concept not exploerd enough (=running before crouching)

Didn't You see that the circuit I posted "contains them all"?

All discussed variants of this thread are contained in my rig (I test run them all) and all have flaws vs. benefits.

I would encourage all to try build ths one - it is verified it works (now all sharing are free to roport (You know who You are )).
It does what's claimed it will (~3000A/ms)

It is a great sandbox for this tech IMHO. It is ideal:
A. for shunting diodes across some of the BJTs to explore variants with less nr. of BJTs (a diode FVD is 0,7 max, while a BJT FVD is 1V at least)
B. for shorting out BJTs with zero FVD ("clipping") for exploring "BUSS" topologies (eg. shorting both "bottom" BJTs)
C. exploring and charting gains versus various topologies

By far not exausted area yet, there is time for scaling up as it is simple and straigth forward.

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Why are they gone is this suppression and interference? Any one know?
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Stevan
Can you explain why JB only uses 2 to 4 Capacitors in his video and you use 16?
Have you also tried to charge to a high voltage to series caps and then discharge the caps in parallel in a lower voltage with more amps, using a ssg as source to charge the series caps?
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Stevan
Can you explain why JB only uses 2 to 4 Capacitors in his video and you use 16?
Have you also tried to charge to a high voltage to series caps and then discharge the caps in parallel in a lower voltage with more amps, using a ssg as source to charge the series caps?
@nvisser:
(in the store)
stevan :"What's Your highest rated capacitor?"

salesperson :"it's 10000uF, what voltage do You need?"

stevan :"20V?"

salesperson :"<price>, how many?"

stevan :"Give me 16 please?"

If the had 35000uF I would use four
, maybe 6.

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Stevan
Can you explain why JB only uses 2 to 4 Capacitors in his video and you use 16?
Have you also tried to charge to a high voltage to series caps and then discharge the caps in parallel in a lower voltage with more amps, using a ssg as source to charge the series caps?
@nvisser,

I can't really explain why JB uses ether 4 or 8 or whatever other number, as he didn't say why?
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Point taken
So the way I understand it is that the charge pulse must be just long enough to charge the cap bank up to the point where the input ammeter's needle starts to drop?
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Old 04-19-2010, 11:36 AM
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MY first guide is no.4) can be curtailed to
1)HOW MUCH(before the current builds up in the circuit)
2)CURRENTLESS POTENTIAL(before the current builds up in the circuit)
3)move in A MICRO second(before the current builds up in the circuit)

I'm starting to see the spike in my every circuit. Negistor is beyond me.
1)Spike is pulsing in a microsecond(may be 200~500 nano second)
2)Before main current flows on steady state(need 10~30us to reach max)
3)So this spike is not related to how many current flows in the circuit.
4)Impedance needs to be checked very carefully.
CURRENT is not the solution.
The only soultion is the swithing and impedance.

Onemore thing.
I saw something on the simplified circuit with 2Trs and 10 diodes.
With the correct pulsing and proper impedance
this siplified circuit CAN BE WORKED properly like othe complicated circuit.
Anyway let's go ahead and further.

Regards,

JangYD.
the leading edge of the spike:
the 3000 A/ms is what it needs,
If one makes a pulse just 1us long
500ns rising and 500ns decay
1,5A high it is "IT".

"IT" would charge a battery

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Point taken
So the way I understand it is that the charge pulse must be just long enough to charge the cap bank up to the point where the input ammeter's needle starts to drop?
@nvisser,
I would turn it the other way around:

construct a pulse that is able to "swing mass" further than the DC needed to collect it.

it's:
1:1000 time ratio
nothing more to "it"
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Why are they gone is this suppression and interference? Any one know?
They Pulled them out of You Tube. Sorry no big Conspiracy today.

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It's been "officially" told they are advised to do so by their patent attorney?
Makes sense?
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Probably to protect share holder interest.

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@Matthew,
Sound reasonable IMHO. (shareholders interest are sacrosanct on shared ventures)

Shall we delve back to TS now ?
Any one had success building?
Need troubleshooting advice?
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The CurrentLess Spike

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the leading edge of the spike:
the 3000 A/ms is what it needs,
If one makes a pulse just 1us long
500ns rising and 500ns decay
1,5A high it is "IT".

"IT" would charge a battery

Stevan C.
@Stevan. Hi,

Thanks for your forwarded PM. I also check it everyday.
Get back to the Topic.

I think you already got something. But I am not yet.

What I am chasing is the SPIKE.
Spike is magic to the DIRAC SEA where the energy we're chasing comes from.
NEGATIVE ENERGY.
But the properties of that SPIKE should be currentLESS.
I am not saying the system current.
NO current at the transient moment of swithing at least.
We know the current is the LOSS in the form of HEAT,
but I believe the current at the transient moment is more than just LOSS.

So I am trying to get the currentLESS SPIKE.
I am trying to seperate the Potential from the current which is my enemy.

JB's the Simplified Circuit Can be the solution, I believe.
That simplied circuit is not meaning just SIMPLIFIED saving the cost of parts.
I am checking whether the simplified circuit is seperating the Potential from
the current, then make the PURE Potential go to the battery banks of charging side(12V)
and make the current turn back to the battery banks of discharing side(24V).
If I can make the circuit with the CORRECT SWITCHING and PROPER IMPEDANCE,
I believe I can get there, CURRENTLESS POTENTIAL. I hope.
Regards,

JANG.
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Old 04-20-2010, 12:20 AM
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Replication of TS_PV_Amp

Just got it finished with 4 x 15000uf banks and made a movie running it's first trial
I used the picaxe chip to do the pulsing because I couldn't get the sg3525 circuit running?

Running from DC Power suply 18v

Running from 2 battery's in series 24v

I hope my battery likes those pulses.

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Probably to protect share holder interest.

Matt
Thanks Matt and Steven, sorry in my job it rang the alarm bells
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You Love it, thats for sure!!

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